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[zeroangel]

OK, so I am well on my way to finishing this damage spreadsheet I mentioned. It's a beast, but it's going to be nice. I saw another one on the vault but mine is going to be more comprehensive (and hopefully almost as easy to use, though probably not since I can't script in excel and I am using just formulas).

Anyhow, I need to know, does Manyshot stack with Flurry of Blows or Rapidshot? Thank you!

Modifié par zeroangel, 01 février 2011 - 09:12 .

[Arkalezth]

Flurry and Rapid Shot can't be active at the same time, nor other combat modes (Power Attack for example).

Not sure about Manyshot, I haven't used it a lot.

[zeroangel]

Right, I am aware of that. Thank you though. My question is about Manyshot and whether or not it stacks with any of the other "modes" since it isn't really a "mode" itself.

[manageri]

If by "stack" you mean can you use manyshot while having rapid shot on, yes.

[Arkalezth]

Sorry, I misread it. What manageri said is true, but I guess the OP means if Manyshot + Rapid Shot = 3 attacks.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 01 février 2011 - 10:24 .

[manageri]

Manyshot just modifies x number of shots per round, rapid shot adding more attacks doesn't conflict with that in any way. With BAB 6 and rapid shot you'd be at 3 attacks per round, and the first of those attacks would fire two arrows, so 4 arrows per round if you wanna use that number.

[zeroangel]

OK, so, at BAB 6 things should look like this:

Normal:
+6 / +1
Rapidshot:
+4 / +4 / -1
Flurry of Blows:
+4 / +4 / -1
Manyshot: ( ) indicates 2 arrows
(+2) / +1
Manyshot w/ Rapidshot
(+0) / +4 / -1
Manyshot w/ Flurry:
(+0) / +4 / -1

Correct?

How about at BAB 26? Like this? (assume Improved Rapidshot and Monk lvl 9: no penalties)

Normal:
+26 / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1
Rapidshot:
+26 / +26 / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1
Flurry of Blows:
+26 / +26 / +26 / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1
Manyshot: ( ) indicates 2 arrows
(+18) / (+13) / (+8) / +11 / +6 / +1
Manyshot w/ Rapidshot
(+18) / (+18) / (+13) / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1
Manyshot w/ Flurry:
(+18) / (+18) / (+18) / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1

Is that right? I had thought maybe that the additional attacks provided by Flurry or Rapidshot wouldn't be figured in by Manyshot and that maybe BAB 26 might look like this:

Manyshot w/ Rapidshot
+26 / (+18) / (+13) / (+8) / +11 / +6 / +1
Manyshot w/ Flurry:
+26 / +26 / (+18) / (+13) / (+8) / +11 / +6 / +1

Which is right?

Modifié par zeroangel, 01 février 2011 - 11:10 .

[manageri]

Rapid shot (and I'm pretty sure flurry too) adds the attack to the end of the round so a BAB 11 round with imp RS would be like:



(+5) / (+0) / +1 / +11

[zeroangel]

Excellent. So, like this for BAB 26:

Normal:
+26 / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1
Rapidshot:
+26 / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1 / +26
Flurry of Blows:
+26 / +21 / +16 / +11 / +6 / +1 / +26 / +26
Manyshot: ( ) indicates 2 arrows
(+18) / (+13) / (+8) / +11 / +6 / +1
Manyshot w/ Rapidshot
(+18) / (+13) / (+8) / +11 / +6 / +1 / +26
Manyshot w/ Flurry:
(+18) / (+13) / (+8) / +11 / +6 / +1 / +26 / +26

Correct?

Modifié par zeroangel, 02 février 2011 - 12:02 .

[manageri]

Looks right to me, you might wanna do a quick test with flurry though to make sure it behaves like RS.

[zeroangel]

Will do. Thanks!

[Haplose]

I think Manyshot is only for bows, though. So it couldn't be combined with Flurry.

[Will Scarlet]

Flurry of Blows only works with specific monk weapons (Kama, Quarterstaff, Shuriken or unarmed), you can't use a bow with it. However, I'm not 100% sure how the ranged feats (Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, etc.) work with thrown weapons.



Melee is very powerful with the right build/concept. I have a RDD / FB build that does +41 damage on normal hits with improved power attack. At 30th level, the build would attack 6 times a round with that base damage and with a falchion I average a crit 30% of the time which does well over 100 each.



As for the SoZ enchantments, it works in both directions also. Yes, you could dump 6d6 elemental damages on bows/arrows (6x 1d6), and you can also enchant all of your armor with 6 types of resistance of 10 points each.



If there was any singular type of character that 'pwned' the rest, it would probably be a monk.

[zeroangel]

Why a monk?

Modifié par zeroangel, 02 février 2011 - 11:47 .

[Will Scarlet]

Consider a straight 30th level monk (not really trying to power build):



AC: +6 (Monk bonus) + Wis bonus + Dex bonus + 3 (Tumble 30) not counting any magic AC bonus from other possible sources (Deflection, Dodge, Armor, Natural).



240 hp base + bonus



Damage: 7 Attacks (with Greater Flurry) @ 3d10 damage each with the penetration of adamantite (thats a possible 21-210 damage per round without any other bonus)



Against spellcasters: Spell Resistance 40 (Possible 54 SR if taking all Improved SR in epic), even if the SR is broken, the monk receives +17 for all base saving throws [+3 save versus spells if pumping Spellcraft skill] and against any spell that has a Reflex Save the monk also has Improved Evasion.



In addition: Deflect Arrows, Immunity to Poison and Disease and Mind-affecting magic, DR 10/magic

[zeroangel]

...but can he make Julian fries?



I'm sure monk rocks in PvP. But I'm not sure I can see it as doing as well as a power build against the computer. I never did try the Kaze no Kama though...

[Will Scarlet]

PvM too! I don't play multi-online so I never build any character for PvP. The character I'm running throught the OC (and eventually into MotB) is a finesse built Rogue 2 / Swashbuckler 3 / Monk (x) with Circle Kick and Great Cleave. It's suited as the party leader (diplomacy), damage dealer (lots of attacks + lots of damage), rogue (with Able Learner). But, no, can't make Julienne fries or enchant items (but can cast spells off of scrolls and wands!).



I know with adding the other 5 levels (Rogue 2 / Swashbuckler 3) that I'll lose 5 points of SR, a little unarmed damage (3d8 instead of 3d10) and one point of AC (from monk lvl 30), but I'm also gaining free Weapon Finesse, great skills (because of Rogue lvl 1 & AL feat), and Insightful Strike (adding Int bonus to unarmed strikes).

[Haplose]

Nah, Monks aren't very good in either PvP or PvE. Their AB and AC are sub-par compared with other melee classes.

They are mostly used as a dip to use the wis bonus to AC and a few more levels to boost speed (particularly on rogue-types using hit&run tactics). Dedicated castes have little trouble overcoming the SR of normal Monks... and maximum SR builds are weak otherwise. Can be easily defeated with spells that ignore SR.