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[Zelnik]

Want to know what happened? EA happened.

The reality of it is, they wanted a way to show off pretty boobies, legs and asses of both male and female characters.

Thane? He was only added because the devs needed a "rogue" love interest. Bioware may like the idea of logical armor, but let's face facts, sexy things you would normally find on a fetish website are going to sell more. IT IS ABOUT MONEY!!!

[Goose4291]

I think it's more relative to the character..

Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt have what you would percieve as armour as it quite rightly fits into their charcter.

Tali and Mordin do have armour but it's just of the type their race uses (compare Tali's with Kal Reegar's, and Mordin's with Kirrahe and his STG cohorts from Mass Effect 1 to see what I mean

Jacob and Miranda really should have armour. With that last alternative appearance pack, it was at least half addressed as Miranda got overhauled.

Legion is a chunk of armour. Why would he need to put a suit on top of what he is already,

Jack's just not right in the head clearly, and is used quite clearly not a professional soldier, but a slightyly deranged criminal when you first meet her, with no regard for her own personal safety.. She hits hard quick and fast with no remorse and doesn't want to be encumbered.

hane and Kasumi both are used to quite athletic situations (if the cutscenes and trailers are to be believed) and not really the types to get involved in stand up fights (She's a thief, whilst he an assassin who blends into the civillian background, striking quickly.)

Finally Samura is a religious warrior monk following a code of order and conformity. You wouldn't expect a Shao Lin monk to rock up to a situation clad head to toe in sheet armour would you?

[Goose4291]

Bloomin' double post!

Modifié par Goose4291, 16 mars 2011 - 01:54 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Zelnik wrote...

Want to know what happened? EA happened.

The reality of it is, they wanted a way to show off pretty boobies, legs and asses of both male and female characters.

Thane? He was only added because the devs needed a "rogue" love interest. Bioware may like the idea of logical armor, but let's face facts, sexy things you would normally find on a fetish website are going to sell more. IT IS ABOUT MONEY!!!

That's right. Only EA completely missed the point (again). When kids want to stare at pretty boobies, they wait till their parents aren't looking, rush strait to their favorite fetish website, ****** off, and by the time the parents return they are already back to playing CoD. No ME2 invovled in this simple scheme. And as long as EA aren't showing off the blue babes' purple nipples (and they ain't going to) those of this audience who give ME2/3 a go, will feel cheated in that regard, just as the RPG "purists" deprived of their levelling affairs. So yeah, the irony.

[Lady Luck]

Jack survives because of her instincts. She's almost already an animal. Just put some fur on her and she looks great

[Zulu_DFA]

Goose4291 wrote...

I think it's more relative to the character..

Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt have what you would percieve as armour as it quite rightly fits into their charcter.

The problem with that is that it's not the armor that is supposed to fit into the characters. It's the characters that is supposed to fit in the armor. Have space suit, will travel. No suit, stay at home, earthworm.

It's science fiction damnit, and it's not post-apocalyptic, which means such thing as mass production exists in this universe. Therefore, all armors have to more or less be identical in form, shape and function, with only the dye on them differing according to the characters' bios and tastes.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 mars 2011 - 01:54 .

[Goose4291]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Goose4291 wrote...

I think it's more relative to the character..

Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt have what you would percieve as armour as it quite rightly fits into their charcter.

The problem with that is that it's not the armor that is supposed to fit into the characters. It's the characters that is supposed to fit in the armor. Have space suit, will travel. No suit, stay at home, earthworm.

It's science fiction damnit, and it's not post-apocalyptic, which means such thing as mass production exists in this universe. Therefore, all armors have to more or less be identical in form, shape and function, with only the dye on them differing according to the characters' bios and tastes.

I thought the original question was  if should squadmates war armour in ME3... All I'm saying is that the answer should be yes if it fits in with the character, and for those I mentioned, it would.

I agree with what you're saying reference mass production and we should be given more variety in how our squadmates look. However, Not every suit of armour/attire would fit every race. Look at the body shapes of a Salarian  for example, would it be believeable to you if he wore a piece of Turian armour?  Could you see Samura running around in a Krogan hardsuit? (These are quite extreme examples I know, but I'm just trying to amplify the point I'm making.)

Modifié par Goose4291, 16 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Goose4291 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Goose4291 wrote...

I think it's more relative to the character..

Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt have what you would percieve as armour as it quite rightly fits into their charcter.

The problem with that is that it's not the armor that is supposed to fit into the characters. It's the characters that is supposed to fit in the armor. Have space suit, will travel. No suit, stay at home, earthworm.

It's science fiction damnit, and it's not post-apocalyptic, which means such thing as mass production exists in this universe. Therefore, all armors have to more or less be identical in form, shape and function, with only the dye on them differing according to the characters' bios and tastes.

I thought the original question was  if should squadmates war armour in ME3... All I'm saying is that the answer should be yes if it fits in with the character, and for those I mentioned, it would.

If the armor (aka environmentaly sealed hardsuit) "doesn't fit the character", than the character does not fit with the status of Shepard's squadmate, provided Shepard carries out missions in hostile, hazardous, depressurized, etc. environments. Thus the character would create a plot hole and needs to be eliminated from the story at the planning stage. This wasn't observed in ME2, therefore ME2 sucks in this regard.

Goose4291 wrote...

I agree with what you're saying reference mass production and we should be given more variety in how our squadmates look. However, Not every suit of armour/attire would fit every race.
Look at the body shapes of a Salarian  for example, would it be
believeable to you if he wore a piece of Turian armour?  Could you see
Samura running around in a Krogan hardsuit? (These are quite extreme
examples I know, but I'm just trying to amplify the point I'm making.)

I suppose that's why in ME1 we could shop and loot for different sets of armor for all of the races Shepard's squadmates represented.

[Rekkampum]

Goose4291 wrote...

I think it's more relative to the character..

Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt have what you would percieve as armour as it quite rightly fits into their charcter.

Tali and Mordin do have armour but it's just of the type their race uses (compare Tali's with Kal Reegar's, and Mordin's with Kirrahe and his STG cohorts from Mass Effect 1 to see what I mean

Jacob and Miranda really should have armour. With that last alternative appearance pack, it was at least half addressed as Miranda got overhauled.

Legion is a chunk of armour. Why would he need to put a suit on top of what he is already,

Jack's just not right in the head clearly, and is used quite clearly not a professional soldier, but a slightyly deranged criminal when you first meet her, with no regard for her own personal safety.. She hits hard quick and fast with no remorse and doesn't want to be encumbered.

hane and Kasumi both are used to quite athletic situations (if the cutscenes and trailers are to be believed) and not really the types to get involved in stand up fights (She's a thief, whilst he an assassin who blends into the civillian background, striking quickly.)

Finally Samura is a religious warrior monk following a code of order and conformity. You wouldn't expect a Shao Lin monk to rock up to a situation clad head to toe in sheet armour would you?

Miranda's explosive bod is the armor. It's like mythril, only sexier.

[Uszi]

Bah, the vitriole this topic inspires.

1).  It's been done to death.  The results of the last thread before it finally died of old age, having made peace with itself, was a consensus about the characters appearances:

The order of rediculousness is as follows, and even the advocates of the current appearence system should be able to admit that this is accurate.

A:  Jack's appearance is the most rediculous because she cannot be argued to have any form of environmental protection.  All arguments for her bad-assness and her biotic power ignore her vulnerability to environmental toxin, heat and pressure hazards.

B:  Samara's appearance is the second most rediculous because of the vast areas of exposed flesh she leaves open, even though people have argued that her outfit may possibly be made of ballistic mesh, and that it could concievably have ablative properties.  Considering the deep v-cut of her outfit down her center of mass leaving her heart and throat exposed, her armor is ill-advised at best, and completely ineffective in combat at the worst.

C:  Miranda's outfit is, while still unsatisfactory to many people, the one that can best be argued to be made of some super secret, super advanced ballistic cloth which looks and wears like a latax yoga outfit.  The same can be said of Jacob and Thane, though they get less attention because they are not as sexy to the majority of players.  Some people have tried to argue that Miranda's outfit might even have ablative properties, but that seems unlikely.

2).  Regardless of wether you want to argue that these characters make do because of this, or because of that, or for whichever reason, it seems to me you really need to concede that all characters would be better off if they were wearing combat hard suits featuring a layer of ballistic cloth and a layer of ablative ceramic plating. 

The presence of light armor in ME1 for characters who needed greater mobility, (I.E. Adepts) and the sheer number of Adept enemies in ME2 who had the presence of mind to bring their Hard suits defeats the argument that putting on some ablative plate armor would hinder their mobility too much.

3).  Stop beating this poor, dead horse.  It was beaten, buried, and you all have dug it up, brought it back to life with your secret, dark forum necromancy, and you are now beating it again.

This topic deserves some rest. 

Modifié par Uszi, 16 mars 2011 - 04:00 .

[Rekkampum]

Uszi wrote...

Bah, the vitriole this topic inspires.

1).  It's been done to death.  The results of the last thread before it finally died of old age, having made peace with itself, was a consensus about the characters appearances:

The order of rediculousness is as follows, and even the advocates of the current appearence system should be able to admit that this is accurate.

A:  Jack's appearance is the most rediculous because she cannot be argued to have any form of environmental protection.  All arguments for her bad-assness and her biotic power ignore her vulnerability to environmental toxin, heat and pressure hazards.

B:  Samara's appearance is the second most rediculous because of the vast areas of exposed flesh she leaves open, even though people have argued that her outfit may possibly be made of ballistic mesh, and that it could concievably have ablative properties.  Considering the deep v-cut of her outfit down her center of mass leaving her heart and throat exposed, her armor is ill-advised at best, and completely ineffective in combat at the worst.

C:  Miranda's outfit is, while still unsatisfactory to many people, the one that can best be argued to be made of some super secret, super advanced ballistic cloth which looks and wears like a latax yoga outfit.  The same can be said of Jacob and Thane, though they get less attention because they are not as sexy to the majority of players.  Some people have tried to argue that Miranda's outfit might even have ablative properties, but that seems unlikely.

2).  Regardless of wether you want to argue that these characters make do because of this, or because of that, or for whichever reason, it seems to me you really need to concede that all characters would be better off if they were wearing combat hard suits featuring a layer of ballistic cloth and a layer of ablative ceramic plating. 

The presence of light armor in ME1 for characters who needed greater mobility, (I.E. Adepts) and the sheer number of Adept enemies in ME2 who had the presence of mind to bring their Hard suits defeats the argument that putting on some ablative plate armor would hinder their mobility too much.

3).  Stop beating this poor, dead horse.  It was beaten, buried, and you all have dug it up, brought it back to life with your secret, dark forum necromancy, and you are now beating it again.

This topic deserves some rest. 

We're not beating it and there's no necromancy involved. We're reviving it via the Lazarus Project. 

Jack does have more than one costume, and she can be excused given that she was *spoiler* for god knows how long. Samara is a like biotic goddess since the asari live for centuries, with more battle experience than any of the characters in your group. I'm pretty sure that the fabric she's wearing is something that suits her style of combat. Also, both of those characters are not military types, so military armor would not fit them and probably wear them down considerably, regardless of how much more they'd be protected by wearing it. Even those Adepts you run into probably have some sort of military training, so point still stands. Thane's outfit is probably just as normal as theirs could be. His expertise is in remaining hidden before he strikes against his enemy, while Jack and Samara use biotics to disable their opponents. 

I still think Miranda's outfit is the least convincing. Plus it also exposes her chest and throat, arguably moreso than Samara's does. Of course it's probably made from some ultra protective synthetic fiber created by Cerberus, but it becomes hard (no pun intended) to suspend disbelief when it's styled like some B-movie sci-fi chick. 

Modifié par Rekkampum, 16 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[Nashiktal]

Armor? 'd be happy with a ****ing space suit. Exposing your skin on unknown planets with unknown chemicals and diseases is beyond stupid.

[Massively Accelerated]

The lack of armor for characters in ME2 (not to mention exposed skin in vacuum...ahem) is one of the major factors that killed the believability for me. While I think ME2 was still an overall better game than the first, ME1 did a better job at making the universe more believable. Let's get back to armor for all of our party members please, Bioware? Armor off the ship and civvies on the ship. The most recent armor pack DLC seems reassuring.

[Tarek]

Nashiktal wrote...

Armor? 'd be happy with a ****ing space suit. Exposing your skin on unknown planets with unknown chemicals and diseases is beyond stupid.

lol yes I agree 1000times