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[xedgorex]

So i'm just wondering if anyone else has had the thought of killing of a good portion of your crew in ME2 for the hopes of new squaddies in ME3, or do you really just want them back?



And yes, i hope Thane and Samara come back for me3, i dont use them a ton but they're cool.

[xlavaina]

No. At least not me. I (and by I, I am juxtaposing me and my Shepard and the plot as a whole) am emotionally attached to my ME2 squad. I feel like BW not bringing them back would be a huge mistake and would seriously damage their fan base. So I seriously hope (and am seriously against) BW bringing in new squad for 3.



Anyway, answering your question specifically, I made special effort to make all of my squad survive, and I wouldn't specifically kill any of them off.

[expanding panic]

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.



No some people could not be back and that could make sense. These are the people off the top off my head.

Thane- Die from the disease

Samara- She said she'll only help for the one mission.

Mordin- I believe said something about wanting to spend time with his nephew. (I could be wrong.) If I'm wrong it would also be a stupid reason but Mordin could say something like "Shep I know that the is important but I believe you'll succeed without me if you need me call me but I want to spend time with my family." It would be dumb but they could.

Zaeed- Was paid for one mission

Moranith- one mission. Then she's on the run



I think all else has to be back. The previously named ones are either way. Except Mordin I think he should be back also but just named reasons how Bioware can take some out to make room for new guys.

[xedgorex]

I have no doubt they will bring back ME1 and ME2 members, i didn't mean to imply that.

But i was wondering about peoples thoughts on them introducing new characters as replacements for dead team mates. I mean they could have you run short manned, which would be cool in its own right, but i dont know if they'd really do that.





Granted Thane might be dead, but that would assume that ME3 is at least a few years after ME2 (considering its stated Thane's disease is still in its more manageable stages)



And on the Samara front, i believe that depending on how long the time between ME2 and ME3 is she could still be there, especially if you 'romance' her. It could just be because its easier, but post SSM you can still use Samara and the fact that the SB dlc is supposed to be after the Collector base, and you can still use Samara. But hey, i think she's awesome and wanted an older woman romance.

[Fidget6]

I have wondered if there will be replacement characters (like Wreav as clan leader if you killed Wrex.) It doesn't seem practical for them to bring back no ME2 squadmates, but then again it is possible to have had only one surviving squad member (if Zaeed is one of the two that survives in the suicide mission and then dies on his loyalty mission) and Liara is the only character in the series that is impossible to have died in the story, so that could make a very small party if they didn't have any replacements. I'd be very disappointed if they didn't at least have Kaidan/Ashley (depending on who you saved on Virmire of course) and Liara as squad mates. I guess we'll just have to see. 

Modifié par Fidget6, 22 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[Fidget6]

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Modifié par Fidget6, 22 janvier 2011 - 08:07 .

[PrinceLionheart]

expanding panic wrote...

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.

It doesn't make the game pointless. The entire point was recruiting specialist, for the suicide mission. The mission accord at the end of the game, so they did there job. 

[expanding panic]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.

It doesn't make the game pointless. The entire point was recruiting specialist, for the suicide mission. The mission accord at the end of the game, so they did there job. 

Ok say your right, they survived and stopped the Reapers. Now the Reapers are more ticked off and your going to tell me that everyone is going to say "Oh well, we did our job and survived the suicide mission. We're done" knowing that a race that continuously wipes out other race every 50,000 years without ever failing. And the people that survived are just going to walk away. They are the best at what they do, and they're going to walk away? 75% if not more of that game would have been pointless in the trilogy of Mass Effect. That's how I feel anyway. 

[Mister Mida]

Right now I'm experimenting with various SM results. First I'm gonna focus on getting only the ME (1) guys out alive, then only the DLC characters and so on.

[PrinceLionheart]

expanding panic wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.

It doesn't make the game pointless. The entire point was recruiting specialist, for the suicide mission. The mission accord at the end of the game, so they did there job. 

Ok say your right, they survived and stopped the Reapers. Now the Reapers are more ticked off and your going to tell me that everyone is going to say "Oh well, we did our job and survived the suicide mission. We're done" knowing that a race that continuously wipes out other race every 50,000 years without ever failing. And the people that survived are just going to walk away. 

Garrus, Wrex, and Tali all did that after the end of the first game actually. 

[Alienmorph]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.

It doesn't make the game pointless. The entire point was recruiting specialist, for the suicide mission. The mission accord at the end of the game, so they did there job. 

Ok say your right, they survived and stopped the Reapers. Now the Reapers are more ticked off and your going to tell me that everyone is going to say "Oh well, we did our job and survived the suicide mission. We're done" knowing that a race that continuously wipes out other race every 50,000 years without ever failing. And the people that survived are just going to walk away. 

Garrus, Wrex, and Tali all did that after the end of the first game actually. 

Jacob says explicit that "the quarian survived the attack" and the non-humans of the crew in general. So I guess Tali was for sure aboard, we see Liara, and very likely Garrus too was on the Normandy. But I agree that Wrex should have left before the attack, considering that he asks to Shepard about what happened to the Normandy when we meet him on Tuchanka, like he just heard rumors about the attack.

Said that, 1/2 of the crew is potentially a LI, and the other half has nowhere to go, or strong reasons to remain with Shepard... the point is the ME2 is the middle chapter of a trilogy: I expect to focus back more on the ME1's survivors too, like Wrex and the VS especially, but having most of the team back. I expect, and WANT so. Some of the most appreciated moments by the fans of the game involve returnig characters, besides the new ones are almost all pretty interesting, I'm sure that most of the players want back as the hightest possible number of characters from previous games. There are people that would like reboot the team once again, but they're an hudge minority, or ar trolls who likes to call the ME2's squaddies "zombies" just to p!ss off the rest of the board. Some nu addiction will be unavoidable, even just to give a balaced team to the players who lost too many squadmates during the SM, but getting rid of the whole team is not likely to happen.

[AdmiralCheez]

The only time I ever killed an ME2 squaddie on purpose was because I was curious as to what an imported save with a minimal crew would look like. Otherwise, all my other saves are solid No One Left Behinds, and I have never killed Wrex in ME1.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.

It doesn't make the game pointless. The entire point was recruiting specialist, for the suicide mission. The mission accord at the end of the game, so they did there job. 

Ok say your right, they survived and stopped the Reapers. Now the Reapers are more ticked off and your going to tell me that everyone is going to say "Oh well, we did our job and survived the suicide mission. We're done" knowing that a race that continuously wipes out other race every 50,000 years without ever failing. And the people that survived are just going to walk away. 

Garrus, Wrex, and Tali all did that after the end of the first game actually. 

That was because SHEPARD DIED.

[MarshyJAM]

I think there will have to be new squamates because potentially you could be left with only Liara, Kaiden/Ashley and i believe its one or maybe two other members that you need to pull you back on the ship (i don't quite remember) and although its unlikely for this to happen if it did you would probably need new people to compensate for the loss of your team

[SammyJB17]

I don't see any reason besides financial that they couldn't go all out and recruit just about everyone again. Liara (take a break off her duties) , Tali, Wrex (maybe), Thane (if he hasn't died), Miranda, Jacob, Mordin (please please please please please), Garrus, and everyone. Would be awesome for the same type ending of ME 2, with every squaddie you've ever had, fighting and dying by each other's side. But financial stupid.

[xlavaina]

SammyJB17 wrote...

I don't see any reason besides financial that they couldn't go all out and recruit just about everyone again. Liara (take a break off her duties) , Tali, Wrex (maybe), Thane (if he hasn't died), Miranda, Jacob, Mordin (please please please please please), Garrus, and everyone. Would be awesome for the same type ending of ME 2, with every squaddie you've ever had, fighting and dying by each other's side. But financial stupid.

No I don't think it would financially stupid (but I agree with your other points). This way, they wouldn't have to use the old VA's (for the ME2 squad) as cameos, AND hire a new set of 12 VA's for 12 new characters. If the ME2 squad returned, then it would just be those 12 VA's. 

But otherwise I think you're post holds a lot of validity. The ending of ME3 will be so much stronger emotionally than if they just get all new characters. I doubt that BW would sacrifice that kind of game ending just to fall into the hole they dug themselves into in ME2 that is the suicide mission. 

[SammyJB17]

xlavaina wrote...

SammyJB17 wrote...

I don't see any reason besides financial that they couldn't go all out and recruit just about everyone again. Liara (take a break off her duties) , Tali, Wrex (maybe), Thane (if he hasn't died), Miranda, Jacob, Mordin (please please please please please), Garrus, and everyone. Would be awesome for the same type ending of ME 2, with every squaddie you've ever had, fighting and dying by each other's side. But financial stupid.

No I don't think it would financially stupid (but I agree with your other points). This way, they wouldn't have to use the old VA's (for the ME2 squad) as cameos, AND hire a new set of 12 VA's for 12 new characters. If the ME2 squad returned, then it would just be those 12 VA's. 

But otherwise I think you're post holds a lot of validity. The ending of ME3 will be so much stronger emotionally than if they just get all new characters. I doubt that BW would sacrifice that kind of game ending just to fall into the hole they dug themselves into in ME2 that is the suicide mission. 

It would be financially stupid in the way of how many companions we would have. In Mass Effect 1, we had 6 squaddies, two of whom could die (Kaidan or Ash) and then Wrex. In Mass Effect 2, we had 11 squaddies (not counting Kasumi or Zaeed) all of whom except two could die for the import into Mass Effect 3.  Getting rid of the ones who have a great reason to ignore a Reaper threat, we have a possible total of  13 old companions: (Garrus, Wrex, Ash or Kaidan, Tali, Liara, Mordin, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Kasumi, Mordin and Legion (plus Morinth/Samara).  It wouldn't be stupid to say get Ash or Kaidan into the squad as they are always alive. No other character is canonically alive. Mordin, for instance, is someone who dies often in a lot of people's playthrough. As much as I love him, since he often dies, he probably won't have much more than a Wrex appearance in Mass Effect 3. Plus, 13 companions and a handful of new ones would be VERY expensive to animate, write for, record for, and such. Most people wouldn't use more than a few companions per playthrough.  

Note: I kept Thane off this list since he can possibly die in between 2 and 3. I kept off Zaeed because he's a merc who doesn't really seem to care about dying.

[Colonist Sole Survivor]

Yes!

I got rid with surgical precision of the squadmates I dont like and dont want to see around in ME3.
Miranda - Grunt - Tali - Kasumi (that was fortuitous but still ok for me) and Mordin.

Good thing we have the chance to keep alive only our favourite teammates and make disappear the others (5 in my case).


note: this is about my male shepard, for my female shepard Miranda, Tali and Kasumi will be in ME3.

Modifié par Colonist Sole Survivor, 25 janvier 2011 - 10:05 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

If Bioware doesn't bring back the ME2 squad back then it would make majority of the game pointless. ME2 was a great game but majority of the game was gathering an army (the best people at what they do) to defeat Harbinger and the Reapers. This means that there is no one better. If you don't bring them back then you could have made ME2 a shorter game and have the same point for ME3.

It doesn't make the game pointless. The entire point was recruiting specialist, for the suicide mission. The mission accord at the end of the game, so they did there job. 

Ok say your right, they survived and stopped the Reapers. Now the Reapers are more ticked off and your going to tell me that everyone is going to say "Oh well, we did our job and survived the suicide mission. We're done" knowing that a race that continuously wipes out other race every 50,000 years without ever failing. And the people that survived are just going to walk away. 

Garrus, Wrex, and Tali all did that after the end of the first game actually. 

That was because SHEPARD DIED.

Prior to Shepard dying. I may have been mistaken with Tali, but questioning Jacob implies both Garrus and Wrex had parted ways with Shepard BEFORE the Normandy was ever attacked.

[james1976]

Did we really spend all that time helping people with their daddy issues just to have to recruit a whole new team in ME3? I wouldn't think so. I imagine who all survived the suicide mission will return in ME3.

Also, why is this in the ME1 Campaign forums?

Modifié par james1976, 25 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[xedgorex]

I think this forum has gotten way off point and i'm not sure how i was being unclear.



So get this, say in Mass Effect 3 Garrus has an GUARANTEED spot in your crew, now say you kill him in the suicide mission, do you think they'd give you a replacement character (not necessarily a garrus clone, but say someone else who has overload but different backstory and race etc) or do you think they'd make you plan a man down?



AND if you do think there will be a alternative squadmate, are any of you curious as to whom they'd be? Or considering letting people die for an experience to play with the alternatives?

[SammyJB17]

xedgorex wrote...

I think this forum has gotten way off point and i'm not sure how i was being unclear.

So get this, say in Mass Effect 3 Garrus has an GUARANTEED spot in your crew, now say you kill him in the suicide mission, do you think they'd give you a replacement character (not necessarily a garrus clone, but say someone else who has overload but different backstory and race etc) or do you think they'd make you plan a man down?

AND if you do think there will be a alternative squadmate, are any of you curious as to whom they'd be? Or considering letting people die for an experience to play with the alternatives?

I don't think we see a Wrex/ Wreave situation. I assume that there will be about 14 possible companions ( a little high, but whatever). There will be 11 or 12 "base" companions of people you collect, with the option of getting one to three of your original squads. If you killed any of them, then there will be maybe one or two "replacements" that may not be available if you kept one of the old squaddies alive. Complete and utter speculation, however, so believe what you shall.

[1183rdGeth]

I actually just finished a game where I did this. I've got several 'no-one-left-behind' saves, figured I'd lose a few I didnt like and see what happened in ME3. Lost Thane, Jacob & Zaeed~next playthrough I'm aiming for Samara/Morinth and Jack. Also curious to see what happens if you get your LI killed.