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[Harid]

Dave of Canada wrote...

They wore all the same armor in Origins too. Darkspawn love coordinating outfits before raids.

There were differences.  Palette, face paint, armors, etc.

Modifié par Harid, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:20 .

[KBomb]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I like the new darkspawn more.

Ogres didn't blend in with the mudspawn and now they fit in perfectly fine with the new darkspawn who sort of look like their "parent" race.

I concur, sir.

[Reaverwind]

So, the new Darkspawn include Skeletor clones, baboons, and simpering darkspawn in dresses? I'll be laughing my way through the darkspawn battles.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:15 .

[Brockololly]

I can get used to the new designs, even if I'm not a huge fan of them now. I didn't necessarily care for how the darkspawn looked in Origins, but I thought it was more that they needed to be tweaked a little. They just don't seem very threatening now and are more like a bunch of genetic misfits than feared monsters of the underground.


I think my biggest problem with the new darkspawn is that their designs all look quite unique, and yet it would seem they're copy/pasted on to everyone of the same race much more obviously than Origins. Origins darkspawn shared some armor, but there were variations within the hurlocks, genlocks and so forth. I think its because the devs have said they want the darkspawn armor to look scrapped together (which is a fine idea), yet it looks silly when all the hurlocks or emissaries have their "scrapped together" armor in the exact same configuration. Or how all the hurlocks have the exact same bloody tears/smudges on their faces. It just makes them out to be Total War style clone soldiers.

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[Johnny Shepard]

Tleining wrote...

"And what does this make of the talking Emissarys in Awakening? Lost, First, Withered, Herald? Did they really look like this? How does it work with the new design?"
uh, The Lost and The First were Disciples, Darkspawn that drank the Blood of Grey Warden and became something more than Darkspawn.

Well, they where Hurlock Emissarys who drank the Blood of Grey Warden and became Disciples.

Why should the Design-changes in DA2 change what happened in DA:O? The
Bioware-Officials compared this to Design-changes in comics. Different
Artists try different things for how the characters look. It doesn't
change the past.

But in the past, Emissarys where Genlocks and Hurlocks. Now they are not. It's like Spider-Man suddenly being black. They could still say it was just a designe change but if Peter Parker never was black before then he should not suddenly be black just because they have a new designer for him and say that it changes nothing.

The problem I am having is to figure out how the Darkspawn looked in Origins and Awakening then. Because if this is their new look then that must mean they looked like that in Origins also. That means that Genlocks was a Rhino type of enemy attacking with it's head. It's Green Gobling suddenly having wings for no reason.

[Herr Uhl]

Brockololly wrote...

I can get used to the new designs, even if I'm not a huge fan of them now. I didn't necessarily care for how the darkspawn looked in Origins, but I thought it was more that they needed to be tweaked a little. They just don't seem very threatening now and are more like a bunch of genetic misfits than feared monsters of the underground.


I think my biggest problem with the new darkspawn is that their designs all look quite unique, and yet it would seem they're copy/pasted on to everyone of the same race much more obviously than Origins. Origins darkspawn shared some armor, but there were variations within the hurlocks, genlocks and so forth. I think its because the devs have said they want the darkspawn armor to look scrapped together (which is a fine idea), yet it looks silly when all the hurlocks or emissaries have their "scrapped together" armor in the exact same configuration. Or how all the hurlocks have the exact same bloody tears/smudges on their faces. It just makes them out to be Total War style clone soldiers.

Yeah, it stops looking scrapped together after a while and more like a fashion statement.

[drahelvete]

Also, please discuss in a fare way without insults och namecalling!

Swenglish ftw

Hurlocks: I'm glad they don't look like zombie orcs anymore, but I don't like their new armors. What's with the Spikes of Villainy?

Emissaries: HUGE improvement. Tall, gaunt and twisted. They actually look like corrupted mages now. If they're still capable of speech, I hope they have hollow, whispering voices. It would also be cool if they moved in a fashion similar to Goddess Bunny or Anna-Varney Cantodea.

Genlocks: At least they don't look like the ogres from Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears anymore, but... bronto gorillas? I'll hold off my judgement until I've seen a screenshot from DA2.

Modifié par drahelvete, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:26 .

[Harid]

There is nothing intrinsic to the character of Peter Parker that he has to be a white guy, he is white because white people were the only heroes of the time. Stop using poor analogies, relating to black people. Geez.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

No, but that would mean that thoes Emissarys (Lost, First, Herald, Withered aso) really looked like they do in Dragon Age II and that there are no Hurlock Emissary or Genlock Emissary, just Emissary. And talking.
My first reaction to the new Emissary was that they looked really silly. So now the friendly Emissary who helps you save the city/keep in Awakening looked like that? And he then when around descised as human, saving people. How could a giant alien looking thing like the new Emissary go and pass for human, living with them?

Actually, not all of the Disciples were Emissaries. The First, for instance, was a regular 'awakened' Hurlock. He was a warrior, complete with two-handed sword and armour. The Messenger was also a talking Hurlock warrior.

So it's possible being awakened grants speech, you don't have to be an emissary.

[Harid]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Johnny Shepard wrote...

No, but that would mean that thoes Emissarys (Lost, First, Herald, Withered aso) really looked like they do in Dragon Age II and that there are no Hurlock Emissary or Genlock Emissary, just Emissary. And talking.
My first reaction to the new Emissary was that they looked really silly. So now the friendly Emissary who helps you save the city/keep in Awakening looked like that? And he then when around descised as human, saving people. How could a giant alien looking thing like the new Emissary go and pass for human, living with them?

Actually, not all of the Disciples were Emissaries. The First, for instance, was a regular 'awakened' Hurlock. He was a warrior, complete with two-handed sword and armour. The Messenger was also a talking Hurlock warrior.

So it's possible being awakened grants speech, you don't have to be an emissary.

Well, who knows now.  They don't have lips.  They can't speak properly.

[Spjuv3rn]

Obviously they used the mirror of transformation to alter what they were, what they looked like and how people will perceive them in the future.

[NKKKK]

I fear what shrieks are going to look like. Probably Driders keeping up with the changing **** for the sake of changing **** trend they are going for. Hell, lets make them Man-bats. Because at least they'll be Biowares. News flash, if Bioware thinks people thought DA looked generic because of the Darkspawn, then they need to research better. It was more than the Darkspawn. And fans generally don't like it when you change **** for the sake of it after a successful predecessor.

This a million times

[Guitar-Hero]

Dave of Canada wrote...

They wore all the same armor in Origins too, darkspawn love coordinating outfits before raids.

Darkspawn group ralley.

Emessary: We Will squash the humans like the bugs they are!!!!

Darkspawn: Aaaaarggh, kill the humans aaargh!!!!

Darkspawn wearing tou-tou comes in.

Darkspawn stop roaring and all eyes on poor tou-tou guy

Darkspawn 1:Dude.. What are you wearing?

Tou-tou guy:What? i thought it was congo-night

Darkspawn 1:No!... Take it off!.... Not here!... in the darkspawn-dressing room.. Jesus Christ.. i mean Holy Arch-demon

Tou-tou guy begins to walk,stops, turns around and asks: wheres the dressing room?

Darkspawn 1:(heavy sigh).... Go past the broodmothers lounge o, into the Hall of Severedheads take a left down the Corridor of Mourning then walk straight past the David Hasselhoff trophy room, the outfits are under the brassiers.

Tou-tou guy: Brassiers?

Darkspawn 1: Don't ask...


Tou-tou guy: Larry?


Darkspawn 1: Yep....

Modifié par Steffen, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:48 .

[NKKKK]

Lol

[Jzadek72]

Reaverwind wrote...

So, the new Darkspawn include Skeletor clones, baboons, and simpering darkspawn in dresses? I'll be laughing my way through the darkspawn battles.

Yet despite that sarcastic attitude the hordes of cheesy orcs didn't make you laugh? The only darkspawn I could take seriously in DA:O were the Shrieks and the Ogres, and the headresses the emissaries had were quite cool. The hurlocks and genlocks looked like Orcs, while the disciples looked like scarecrows. Now the Hurlocks look like genuinely diseased humans, the Genlocks, while we admittedly haven't seen any screenshots of them, still look like they'll be an improvement from the first game. The emissaries, while I'll miss their armour, look genuinely creepy. To me, the look less simper-y and more like this.  Less in appearance, but in their stance, and the way I imagine they move.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:48 .

[Johnny Shepard]

Harid wrote...

There is nothing intrinsic to the character of Peter Parker that he has to be a white guy, he is white because white people were the only heroes of the time. Stop using poor analogies, relating to black people. Geez.

I didn't mean it that way. I used Peter parker because everybody knew him and I just could not come up with any other change that would work. Skincollour doesn't just change over night. You are born the way you are. There could not be that change suddenly unless you made a reboot, then it wouldn't make a difference how he look. But in continuing the already existing Spider-Man comics by making sequels you can't make that sort of change and say its just a new design.
Sure, it was not the best analogy but we where talking about the design change in Dragon Age II being like a design change in comics and this was the easiest I could come up with.
And as a not: I'm not a racist or anything. It was just a way of comparing. For me its just looks. Everybody is the same on the inside. And thats why I compared it like this.

[Big_Chief]

The disciples are still my favorite iteration of the darkspawn. They look much more unique, interesting, and intimidating that the regular version from Origins. These new ones look...odd. I dunno. Maybe they'll grow on me or something. I think it's the hoods more than anything else.

[Harid]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

Harid wrote...

There is nothing intrinsic to the character of Peter Parker that he has to be a white guy, he is white because white people were the only heroes of the time. Stop using poor analogies, relating to black people. Geez.

I didn't mean it that way. I used Peter parker because everybody knew him and I just could not come up with any other change that would work. Skincollour doesn't just change over night. You are born the way you are. There could not be that change suddenly unless you made a reboot, then it wouldn't make a difference how he look. But in continuing the already existing Spider-Man comics by making sequels you can't make that sort of change and say its just a new design.
Sure, it was not the best analogy but we where talking about the design change in Dragon Age II being like a design change in comics and this was the easiest I could come up with.
And as a not: I'm not a racist or anything. It was just a way of comparing. For me its just looks. Everybody is the same on the inside. And thats why I compared it like this.

Didn't call you a racist.  Just. . .step your analogy game up.  Bad analogies on the internet relating to black people are a pet peeve of mine.

Modifié par Harid, 22 janvier 2011 - 01:53 .

[Johnny Shepard]

Big_Chief wrote...

The disciples are still my favorite iteration of the darkspawn. They look much more unique, interesting, and intimidating that the regular version from Origins. These new ones look...odd. I dunno. Maybe they'll grow on me or something. I think it's the hoods more than anything else.

Same here. I wonder if we will se any in DA2 and how they will look.

[Tleining]

"in continuing the already existing Spider-Man comics by making sequels you can't make that sort of change and say its just a new design."



why not? Okay, granted, the differences aren't that big/visible in comics, because the drawing style of each artist varies a bit, but take Batman, with each new artist, there were some slight alterations to Batmans/Waynes appearance.

Or Manga, several Mangaka really created their own style during one series. Battle Angel Alita, compare Alita/Gally from the first series, with the one in BAA Last Order.



Or take Movies, Maggie Gyllenhaal replaced Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes (The Dark Knight), Ian McKellen replacing Richard Harris as Dumbledore and portraying the character in his own way.

Now, alright, Holmes dropped out, simply killing the character off..., and Harris died, so they needed a new actor. But that's my point. There was a need for the character to change, so they did it. No one in the movies (as far as i can tell) made a remark about the change in appearance/actions and that was it.



@ Harid



Wild Wild West and Kingpin, in the Originals the Characters were white, in the Movies (WildWildWest and Daredevil) black.

Those were remakes, but Will Smith did question the decision to replace the main white character with him.

[Shepard Lives]

While I don't love it, I approve of the darkspawn redesign because now there is actual visual continuity between different breeds. In DAO they looked like a mismash of generic evil minions from several fantasy novels. Now I'll feel like I'm fighting an actual horde.

On a more focused scale, the Ogres looks positively idiotic, and the Hurlocks, while not as bad, aren't as good as the Origins / Disciple design. I miss the slasher smile.

Genlocks... I don't know. I approve of them looking gorilla-esque rather than like generic orcs (as long as they can wield weapons), but I'll refrain from judging until I see in-game shots.

Emissaries, well, I think they've replaced Shrieks. Which is fine by me, considering that A) Shrieks were IMO the worst-designed darkspawn in DAO According to the legends it was the elves that first learned the proper use of magic (if I recall correctly) C) I like that they're a new darkspawn type rather than Hurlocks/Genlocks with feathery hats and a staff.

[Johnny Shepard]

Yes, they where remakes but this is a sequel. If they made a sequel with Jackie Chan doing Will Smiths character, would that have worked?

Or a sequel to The Dark Knight where the Joker suddenly have long arms and looks like a ape with a big horned helmet on his head and pretending like he always looked that way. Whould that have worked? Or Dumbledore suddenly being a young beardless man. Or Rachel Dawes suddenly being black? Or Kingpin being white in a sequel?

[Gavinthelocust]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Emissaries, well, I think they've replaced Shrieks. Which is fine by me, considering that A) Shrieks were IMO the worst-designed darkspawn in DAO According to the legends it was the elves that first learned the proper use of magic (if I recall correctly) C) I like that they're a new darkspawn type rather than Hurlocks/Genlocks with feathery hats and a staff.

Silly man, Shrieks are still around according to Legends.
I'm not sure you guys remember but back in Origins Genlocks had elf ears, so it's probably less the race they are born of and more having to do with the taint. That being said I have no clue what the hell the Emissaries original race is.

[Ben_IV]

I welcome the new designs for the darkspawns cuz the ones in DA:O makes me feel like im plaing Lord Of The Rings for some reason...

[Shepard Lives]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Silly man, Shrieks are still around according to Legends.

Oh. *facepalms at self*
Could you find me any images? Pretty please?