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[Mister Mida]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

In every game featuring aliens, it's always the humans that seem to be the best. Let me name a few examples:

Mass Effect - The humans seem to make the strides

Yet humans are not all saints (Cerberus)

Halo - The aliens are ALL bad

True, until the end of Halo 2

Star Wars - The humans ran just about everything

Which also means they were also the real bad guys.

I don't know if I'm wording this right, but what I think I mean is this: How come it's always the aliens that are the bad guys, and the humans are not?

I want to know what you think.

The protagonist must be someone we can relate to. Sometimes we can do so in the most simplest form (race), but it takes more creativity to make the audiance relate themselves more character wise. And it's not like all aliens are bad. Like someone said earlier, it's about POV.

Of course it would be fun to have an alien protagonist, but I personally don't mind human good guy trope that much.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 22 janvier 2011 - 09:02 .

[armass]

Human writers.... that's all.

IF a Turian was writing this story you can bet there would be 6 turian main characters and maybe a token human one(preferably male since female humans dont look hot to the turians and they didnt have time to add them to the story ). Also turians would be described as the most progressive and brilliant of species and in the end it is they who save the galaxy.

If a salarian would be writing the story... same deal... you get the point.

Modifié par armass, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:03 .

[armass]

Ofc there are exceptions, notably Babylon 5, District 9 and Avatar. They give away more, let's say honest image.

Modifié par armass, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:09 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

At least I'm not getting attacked anymore. Also, what I'm saying is that wouldn't you like to see something different? Also, I shouldn't have mentioned Star Wars. For Star Wars I meant that he humans run everything in it, even though there are other races. And for Halo, the Elites don't become friends with the humans, they just work together because they just have a common enemy. Just because they do that doesn't necessarily mean they're not bad.

[klossen4]

i think it will always be like this at least in warhammer 40k all races are bad guys.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

klossen4 wrote...

i think it will always be like this at least in warhammer 40k all races are bad guys.

Hopefully one day it will change. I'm getting tired of seeing the same things in video games (Which is why I stopped playing JRPGs, but for a different reason) and all I like to see is change. Isn't that what made some of the games in the past great? Because they were different?

[Dayshadow]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The squadmates don't count; They're generally supposed to be on your side.

Dude, you've been proven wrong.  There are good humans and bad humans. Bad aliens and good aliens.

You look like a complete idiot in your stubborn refusal to admit you are wrong.

[Someone With Mass]

The Blue Suns have humans in their ranks, but I wouldn't really count them as "evil"



They're just doing their job.

[Dayshadow]

armass wrote...

Human writers.... that's all.

IF a Turian was writing this story you can bet there would be 6 turian main characters and maybe a token human one(preferably male since female humans dont look hot to the turians and they didnt have time to add them to the story ).

No, the human female would simply be designed to look more turian.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Dayshadow wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The squadmates don't count; They're generally supposed to be on your side.

Dude, you've been proven wrong.  There are good humans and bad humans. Bad aliens and good aliens.

You look like a complete idiot in your stubborn refusal to admit you are wrong.

Why are we using insults? Talk about the topic, not me. Also, the humans that are bad are generally minor. The alien villains are the MAJOR ones. That's my point. When you bring up the minor ones, does aren't the ones I'm talking about.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

In every game featuring aliens, it's always the humans that seem to be the best. Let me name a few examples:

Mass Effect - The humans seem to make the strides

In Mass Effect 1, the Aliens are bigger, stronger, richer, and more powerful than the Humans. Both the Good Aliens (the Council) and the Bad Aliens (the Reapers/Geth).

In Mass Effect 2, the Reapers/Collectors are still more advanced than us, and Humans are either still weaker than everyone else OR have become the galactic bad guys. And we work for a 'bad human' group.

Halo - The aliens are ALL bad

There's also only one alien faction (until there are two, at which point one of them is good). The only 'good' thing about the Humans is that we're supposed to identify with them. They aren't moral, more ethical, or 'nicer'. While the Covenant is 'bad', the Humans are merely 'better'.

Star Wars - The humans ran just about everything

The Humans were also the Bad Guys (the Evil Empire).

I don't know if I'm wording this right, but what I think I mean is this: How come it's always the aliens that are the bad guys, and the humans are not?

Of three series you listed, in one of them the primary human faction is stronger than the aliens and that faction is the ultimate bad guys (barring extended universe), in another the humans are only 'good' because their attackers are worse and the humans were losing the war, and in the last the Humans are never the strongest and can only become poltically stronger than the rest by becomming the 'bad' guys.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The Blue Suns have humans in their ranks, but I wouldn't really count them as "evil"

They're just doing their job.

If I remember correctly, they attack ships, kill innocent people, and on Zaeed's loyalty mission, they pretty much enslaved everyone in that facility.

[Someone With Mass]

The humans in Mass Effect are too ignorant and boring to be any interesting villains. Simple as that.

[InvaderErl]

The humans in StarCraft are pretty sucky. We've been through 3 govt's and they've all been tyrannical dictatorships.

The Empire in Star Wars is a predominantly human organization with the Rebel Alliance being more multicultural

In Halo only the Prophets and the Brutes are really bad and even then the latter is more brutal than anything else. The leadership essentially tricked their entire empire into war against the humans with the Elites later switching sides. The humans are good in this series, true, but the aliens aren't just simply BAD.

The Peacekeepers in Farscape are a fascistic and racist organization just to bring up a tv show.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The humans in Mass Effect are too ignorant and boring to be any interesting villains. Simple as that.

That's just your opinion. I'm sure someone could come up with something...

[DaringMoosejaw]

It's sci-fi, you're going to showcase as many 'exciting' things as possible and those things tend to be aliens.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

InvaderErl wrote...

The humans in StarCraft are pretty sucky. We've been through 3 govt's and they've all been tyrannical dictatorships.

The Empire in Star Wars is a predominantly human organization with the Rebel Alliance being more multicultural

In Halo only the Prophets and the Brutes are really bad and even then the latter is more brutal than anything else. The leadership essentially tricked their entire empire into war against the humans with the Elites later switching sides. The humans are good in this series, true, but the aliens aren't just simply BAD.

The Peacekeepers in Farscape are a fascistic and racist organization.

I wish people would read some of my other posts. When I mentioned Star wars, I didn't mean the "bad guys" part. I meant why were they on top.

[InvaderErl]

Actually its pretty clear from Inquisition that Udina is up to something. He has Palin killed so that he can replace him with a human, I see bad things ahead as far as he's concerned.

[InvaderErl]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...







I wish people would read some of my other posts. When I mentioned Star wars, I didn't mean the "bad guys" part. I meant why were they on top.

On the practical side of things its less expensive to film humans.



Invader Zim pretty much throws the humans are special thing outside the window.

[Someone With Mass]

I can count the number of humans I find interesting in Mass Effect on one hand.



Joker, Anderson, admiral Hackett, Kasumi and Zaeed.



The rest of them have been done to death and back. Literally in some cases.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

All you hear is Admiral Hackett's voice, though...

[jethead]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...



Also, the humans that are bad are generally minor. The alien villains are the MAJOR ones. That's my point. When you bring up the minor ones, does aren't the ones I'm talking about.



and



I wish people would read some of my other posts. When I mentioned Star wars, I didn't mean the "bad guys" part. I meant why were they on top.

ok

if we leave out minor characters, squadmates etc (which is your starting point).



if: human protagonist / alien antagonist = aliens are always bad

if: human protagonist / human antagonist = humans run everything



so, in fact, your question is: why always human protagonist?



many users answered that question earlier in the thread, you just didn't seem to understand how this answers your question.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

jethead wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Also, the humans that are bad are generally minor. The alien villains are the MAJOR ones. That's my point. When you bring up the minor ones, does aren't the ones I'm talking about.

and

I wish people would read some of my other posts. When I mentioned Star wars, I didn't mean the "bad guys" part. I meant why were they on top.

ok
if we leave out minor characters, squadmates etc (which is your starting point).

if: human protagonist / alien antagonist = aliens are always bad
if: human protagonist / human antagonist = humans run everything

so, in fact, your question is: why always human protagonist?

many users answered that question earlier in the thread, you just didn't seem to understand how this answers your question.

Maybe. But what I'm also saying is that it's been done too much. I think it's time for something else.

[Someone With Mass]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

All you hear is Admiral Hackett's voice, though...

So? I've heard just voices in plenty of other games before and still found some of the characters to be fascinating.

Like Bioshock, Ace Combat, Metal Gear Solid, etc etc.

[Khayness]

Because humans are all racist.