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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

All you hear is Admiral Hackett's voice, though...

So? I've heard just voices in plenty of other games before and still found some of the characters to be fascinating.

Like Bioshock, Ace Combat, Metal Gear Solid, etc etc.

But they had personality.
 Admiral Hackett didn't say anything that made him interesting IMO.

[The Unfallen]

-Two pages back, looks at demotivational.-



Did...



...did you just laugh at yourself?



That guy was insulting you, the least you could have done was stand up for yourself.



Staff, if you see this, lock this thread, it has become nothing but a cesspool for nothing but insults and flamethrowers.

[jethead]

that yellow bastard - what you just did is called flaming. you should stand up for yourself irl, on teh intewebz you ignore or make fun.

ramirez, you are ignoring important facts to support your argument.

in mass effect, aliens run everything. the only powerful human organization is evil, and run by a major human villain. there are plenty of human enemies to kill, and plenty of alien companions.
as for shepard, she can be quite an evil ****.

reapers are a separate thing, they aren't exactly 'aliens', they are a threat from beyond our world and our comprehension, you cannot put them on the same level as salarians or humans. just like it would be wrong to compare cthulu to orcs. it is simply impossible to make 'a giant alien force more violent and sick than anything you can imagine' that would be human, that would feel and look ridiculous (see the human reaper).
so, the argument 'why are humans never as bad as the reapers' is invalid. it's like asking why are they never as good and powerful as gods - the idea of cthulu/reaper/god etc is that they are infinitely greater / better / more evil than humans.

Modifié par jethead, 22 janvier 2011 - 04:32 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

-Two pages back, looks at demotivational.-

Did...

...did you just laugh at yourself?

That guy was insulting you, the least you could have done was stand up for yourself.

Staff, if you see this, lock this thread, it has become nothing but a cesspool for nothing but insults and flamethrowers.

 I was laughing at how they think insulting me is going to affect me.

[Sidac]

mangeo wrote...

Because humans are planet destroying idiots who love themselves.....

This (wo)man speaks truth!

[Matt VT Schlo]

To original posted: what the heck is the Cerebus organization, then? If you read the 3rd book, they aint the good guys!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

To original posted: what the heck is the Cerebus organization, then? If you read the 3rd book, they aint the good guys!

Some people would disagree with you, I'm sure.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 22 janvier 2011 - 05:49 .

[lovgreno]

To OP: In ME basicaly everyone, alien and human, are kind of bad one way or the other. It's a very unfair place where everyone gets exploited in some way. Kind of like our real world.



However, as in real life Earth, this doesn't mean you always have to be cynical and selfish . You can choose to not become a selfpitying jerk just because someone else was bad to you. Many aliens and humans are strong enough to stay positive.

[Evil Johnny 666]

I'm kinda tired of the whole "humanity, humanity, humanity" thing since ME2. Well, it had this in ME1, but it wasn't intrusive at all and actually brought the story forward in an interesting manner. You get to be the first human spectre and manage to put a human in the council, but with ME2, it's like I said which bothers me. I mean, I'm getting tired of this cliché, I'm getting tired of the whole "getting attacked on our homeworld and uniting all the races of the galaxy". Can't we get something a bit more exciting? I mean, I can understand with Halo, it's military sci-fi, kinda like Aliens, it's about a huge war against aliens bent on our destruction.



Mass Effect takes more the Star Wars route, the space opera with tons of different races and all. But Star Wars never went all crazy on humanity, Star Wars never showed us any homeworld being invaded and a Jedi trying to ally everyone. SW had a relatively cheesy story, but in an original setting for it, plus was heavily inspired by a great movie. ME2 and ME3 seems just to bring in all the most boring clichés of the genre. Like the characters too. It's strange for a series that started out as something kinda different. And that's strange for a series to have such an expansive universe with races and all, only to put heavy emphasis on what is not of their creation.

[aftohsix]

Cerberus = Good Guys? I though there were a lot more shades of grey in the ME universe.

[Matchy Pointy]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

The humans in StarCraft are pretty sucky. We've been through 3 govt's and they've all been tyrannical dictatorships.

The Empire in Star Wars is a predominantly human organization with the Rebel Alliance being more multicultural

In Halo only the Prophets and the Brutes are really bad and even then the latter is more brutal than anything else. The leadership essentially tricked their entire empire into war against the humans with the Elites later switching sides. The humans are good in this series, true, but the aliens aren't just simply BAD.

The Peacekeepers in Farscape are a fascistic and racist organization.

I wish people would read some of my other posts. When I mentioned Star wars, I didn't mean the "bad guys" part. I meant why were they on top.

They were on the top becasue they manipulated teh system, killed all teh Jedi and were all in all pretty bad guys, that is all (and becasue of Jar Jar too I guess...)

[Spectreshadow]

I will just throw in until we meet alien life all we know on a higher intelligence level is human so its all we can relate to in any media.

[JKoopman]

I don't know about anyone else, but I recall fighting tons of human mercs in ME2, and the defacto leader of the Blue Suns, Vido Santiago, was human and a sadistic bastard at that. Off the top of my head, there was also the egotistical human warlord Darius from the UNC: The Negotiation assignment in ME1 who insisted that you call him 'Lord' and the biotic fanatics that you face off against at several points. And I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but how can you forget about Cerberus? They may be downplayed in ME2 to the point where they almost become the good guys, but in ME1 they were a human terrorist organization performing horrifying experiments on humans and aliens alike, and you fought them numerous times.



Humans are far from the "good guys" in the Mass Effect universe. But, as aliens dominate the galaxy, it makes sense that you encounter them more often in your travels.

[Sidac]

its all in how you look at it. IF you saved the council your the good guys and suckups. If you killed the council, you the bad buys, EVERYONE HATES HOOMANS and the galaxy is in a state of chaos. Why i killed the council. I get to make humans the bad guys in the eyes of the other races.

Modifié par Sidac, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:37 .

[Schneidend]

Donovan Hock, Fist, Darius, Jedore.



There's plenty of human bad guys in the ME universe. But, when you've got six races to choose from who have been bad guys (turian, asari, salarian, krogan, batarian, and human), any one race is going to have a small share of the villainy.

[D.Sharrah]

Magneto, Colonel Stryker, "The Operative" (from Firefly), Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader, Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus, Donovan Hock, Fist, Darius, Jedore, Vido, TIM (to some people), Ming the Merciless, Baron Vladmir Harkonnen (Dune), Boba Fett, Jango Fett, Khan, Doc Oct...



Just to name a few.

[Dayshadow]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

The squadmates don't count; They're generally supposed to be on your side.

Dude, you've been proven wrong.  There are good humans and bad humans. Bad aliens and good aliens.

You look like a complete idiot in your stubborn refusal to admit you are wrong.

Why are we using insults? Talk about the topic, not me. Also, the humans that are bad are generally minor. The alien villains are the MAJOR ones. That's my point. When you bring up the minor ones, does aren't the ones I'm talking about.

Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader and  the Empire itself are minor entities? What about the human villains in Avatar, Total Recall, Babylon 5, Dragon Age, Cerberus, District 9, Coccon, E.T., Battle for Terra , Enemy Mine, Starman, the founding of the Horde (Warcraft) or Iron Giant?  

So basically, your gripe is that all the aliens that you have hand picked as villians are villains? And these hand picked villains are the only ones you we can acknowledge?  All the countless non-villian aliens and villianous humans don't count because they contradict your original post. Gotcha!

Modifié par Dayshadow, 22 janvier 2011 - 10:06 .

[Wulfram]

Humans in Mass Effect are a bunch of arrogant whiny bastards who, despite the Council inexplicably bending over backwards to accomodate them, stage a coup at the first opportunity. And that's the good guys, Cerberus are worse, as are the various criminal elements.

[mortons4ck]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...


That's not the point of the Star Wars thing. I mean why are their other races if the humans are just going to run EVERYTHING?

Because Star Wars originated from movies, and alien costumes are expensive and take away from the exploding-things budget.

Modifié par mortons4ck, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:24 .

[Sidac]

Wulfram wrote...

Humans in Mass Effect are a bunch of arrogant whiny bastards who, despite the Council inexplicably bending over backwards to accomodate them blah blah blah

examples?

[shinobi602]

District 9 anyone?

[Wulfram]

Sidac wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Humans in Mass Effect are a bunch of arrogant whiny bastards who, despite the Council inexplicably bending over backwards to accomodate them blah blah blah

examples?

Start with them not only saving humanity from getting their arses kicked by the Turians but making them pay reparations.  Probably the right thing to do morally, but still remarkably generous.
Then you've got them handing over large lumps of territory to human colonisation, screwing the Batarians in process.
Finally, you've got humanity being effectively promoted to ranking as the top non-council race - with the best embassy and a spectre - in only 26 years.

[ObserverStatus]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

In every game featuring aliens, it's always the humans that seem to be the best. Let me name a few examples:

Mass Effect - The humans seem to make the strides

Halo - The aliens are ALL bad

Star Wars - The humans ran just about everything

I don't know if I'm wording this right, but what I think I mean is this: How come it's always the aliens that are the bad guys, and the humans are not?


I want to know what you think.

Um, if you didn't notice, Darth Vadter and Emperor Palpatine were human.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

where's Robert Heinlein when you need him?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT YOU'VE PROVEN YOUR POINT NOW STOP COMMENTING.