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[Sergeant Conley]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

You get Jacob first (because he survived the mech attack on the Cerberus facility), but he isn't really relevant. Sure, he voices his opinions on important matters, but anything he says isn't the main decision (I don't know if I worded that right)

It's cool, I think I get what you're saying.

No, Jacob's opinion doesn't serve as the final say on the matter at hand (be it what to do with the inactive geth you just acquired, or who to send into the heat vent on the suicide mission,) but he has experiences as a soldier that would, in theory, allow him to see and point out things in a plan or situation that a non-soldier like Miranda wouldn't see.

That point does become kinda moot when you consider Shepard's N7 experience, but it's also possible the Illusive Man is relying on Jacob's experience as a Corsair. If he served in that outfit longer than Shepard was a Spectre, then he'd be more accustomed to working outside the red tape of rules and regulations that even a special forces operative would have to follow, and he'd be more used to operating and thinking in that mindset.

[lizzbee]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

While that could be true, that's a varies on what Bioware will do. We would have to wait until ME3 to prove Thane is relevant. But for ME2, I don't think he is relevant.

So, in short, a trolling thread.  Gotcha.

[Terror_K]

I don't think they needed to connect the squaddies more to the main storyline in a direct manner (i.e. so that they all had some interest in The Collectors or Reapers). What I do think they needed to do was connect them to the actual mission more. Mordin was, and Miranda and Jacob sort of were. Beyond that the whole thing was a big unknown as to what roles they actually played until it got down to it at the very end.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm not trolling, but I have a bad feeling I'm going to get attacked for this.  This is from an earlier thread but not the exact topic.

For characters that I find relevant, here's what I think (storywise):

Mordin (Relevant) - He's needed to make a defense against the Collector swarms, also might help with genophage

Garrus (Relevant) - I think he's mostly there so Shepard can have someone he's familiar with and trusts

Grunt
(Relevant) - He's needed for the tough fights where there's really tough enemies. Also connections with Urdnot to help against the Reapers

Jacob (Irrelevant) - He was just head of security on the Lazarus Project. Why did he need to join you?

Miranda (Relevant) - She helped bring Shepard back to life and is a connection with Cerberus resources

Kasumi (Irrelevant) - Her skills serve you no purpose at all

Zaeed (Irrelevant) - Skills serve you no purpose except for combat ability

Jack (Irrelevant) - Why have Jack when you can have Samara, who's a much better biotic and isn't likely to kill your crew?

Thane (Irrelevant) - His skills serve you no purpose

Tali (Relevant) - She can help you get the Quarians to help you in the fight against the Reapers

Legion (Relevant) - It can get the Geth to fight with you against the Reapers

Samara (Relevant) - Best biotic for you to use on the Suicide Mission

Morinth (Irrelevant) - Why would you take her with you?

That's just what I think, if anyone's offended, I'm sorry, that's not what was intended.

I'm not going to attack you or anything, but I will make a correction, based on whether a squadmate is directly related to ME2's story. Here:

Mordin = Relevant
Everyone else = Irrelevant

Hope that clears things up.

[Bogsnot1]

Im just wondering how you find Thanes, or Jacks skills irrelevant. He is a vital part of my non-hardcore/insanity playthroughs, as throw field is very effective against husk hordes, same as Jacks shockwave, or Jacobs pull field. We get it, you dont know how to use him effectively. That does not make him irrelevant to everyone, just you.

[Flamewielder]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
First, this isn't a bashing thread. This just discusses the characters actual RELEVANCE (not whether you like them or not) to the story. Second, here's what I mean: For example, Thane is completely irreleveant to the story despite being a well written character. His skills serve you no purpose. The same with Jacob. What do you think?

While I agree that there probably should have been fewer characters (say perhaps 8-10 rather than 10-12), I disagree with you on the topic of relevance because this is a hindsight judgement. Shepard and TIM have NO IDEA what skills will eventually be required at the start of the mission. They don't even know where the Collectors come from, what tech they use, how widespread biotic use is among them, etc...

Did you need 3 tech specialists? Probaly not. Could an infiltrator like Kasumi have been useful? I'd say yes, had the mission required a infiltrator. Similar arguments can be made for ALL characters.

Did you need 3 soldier-types? "Hold the line" scenarios require bodies and you do not know beforehand what weapons will prove most useful.

[Sergeant Conley]

Flamewielder wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
First, this isn't a bashing thread. This just discusses the characters actual RELEVANCE (not whether you like them or not) to the story. Second, here's what I mean: For example, Thane is completely irreleveant to the story despite being a well written character. His skills serve you no purpose. The same with Jacob. What do you think?

While I agree that there probably should have been fewer characters (say perhaps 8-10 rather than 10-12), I disagree with you on the topic of relevance because this is a hindsight judgement. Shepard and TIM have NO IDEA what skills will eventually be required at the start of the mission. They don't even know where the Collectors come from, what tech they use, how widespread biotic use is among them, etc...

Did you need 3 tech specialists? Probaly not. Could an infiltrator like Kasumi have been useful? I'd say yes, had the mission required a infiltrator. Similar arguments can be made for ALL characters.

Did you need 3 soldier-types? "Hold the line" scenarios require bodies and you do not know beforehand what weapons will prove most useful.

This is (mostly) the exact point my mutliple posts were trying to make, summed up on one.

*thumbs up*

Modifié par Sergeant Conley, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:49 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Im just wondering how you find Thanes, or Jacks skills irrelevant. He is a vital part of my non-hardcore/insanity playthroughs, as throw field is very effective against husk hordes, same as Jacks shockwave, or Jacobs pull field. We get it, you dont know how to use him effectively. That does not make him irrelevant to everyone, just you.

Once again, I'm talking story wise not gameplay. Please read the title before you make an assumption.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

lizzbee wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

While that could be true, that's a varies on what Bioware will do. We would have to wait until ME3 to prove Thane is relevant. But for ME2, I don't think he is relevant.

So, in short, a trolling thread.  Gotcha.

I'm not trolling. If that's what you think, you don't have to pay attention to this thread.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

bump?

[AdmiralCheez]

No squadmate is honestly "relevant," as NPCs make perfectly fine questgivers/informants/friends/lovers/political allies as well. For example, Liara could have just interpreted your vision, and Mordin could have just developed the anti-seeker thingy, and all would have been well and good.



Personally, I'm glad they're squadmates, including those with little to no ties to to story (like Thane, who interests me very little as a character, but damn, is he awesome against Collectors!) Otherwise, Mass Effect would be just another shooter.

[Glix]

Since the story hasn't been finished yet I think I'll wait before I make that judgement.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

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