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 I don't know deutsch very good, but there is a very interesting screen shot:
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Hawke and his company against a horde of darkspawn.
Just wonder - how usual people (not Grey Wardens) can fight with darkspawn a lot and not get tainted?

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The Tower mages know how to make a potion that confers immunity; maybe this knowledge is more widespread.

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DA2's game designers better have this game polished and ready for a fight, because 2011 is going to yield some brutal RPG competition.

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marshalleck wrote...

DA2's game designers better have this game polished and ready for a fight, because 2011 is going to yield some brutal RPG competition.


But is it truly a competition?

If Skyrim, Witcher 2, and DA:2 are all good games, I will buy and play them all. If they all sell well that will be great because developers will notice it and think about the genre more

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What competition? TW2 release is at least a month later then DA2, and Skyrim is at the end of the year.

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For awards, since that's Bioware's big thing now. Every time someone makes a critical comment about ME2, some Bioware rep pops into the thread, puts his fingers in his ears and goes "la la la, I can't hear you, look at all these GOTY awards..."

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Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally (I forgot about this one) there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:51 .


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DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)


We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.

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packardbell wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)


We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.


? Oblivion was very well received (94% on gamerankings and 94/100 on Metacritic) so I bet Skyrim will be great. But yeah we can't judge which one will be best when none of them are out yet.

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packardbell wrote...

We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.

No, I'm basing it on Bethesda's popularity. Many people still consider Oblivion the best RPG EVAR and critics love Bethesda's games. FNV outsold ME2 and DAO despite the low critic scores and bugs.

For me? GOTY will be either TW2, ME3 or Deus Ex 3

Modifié par DarthCaine, 22 janvier 2011 - 11:56 .


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Looking at the screenshot, is it just me or are the emissaries towering over the hurlocks? And only a bit shorter than Ogres? Think this is the first time I've seen a comparison of them in height.

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Bad King wrote...

packardbell wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)


We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.


? Oblivion was very well received (94% on gamerankings and 94/100 on Metacritic) so I bet Skyrim will be great. But yeah we can't judge which one will be best when none of them are out yet.


Critic reviews don't mean sqaut. Many users agree that Oblivion is overrated trash compared to the brillance that is Morrowind. But we're going a bit off-topic here now.

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DarthCaine wrote...

packardbell wrote...

We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.

No, I'm basing it on Bethesda's popularity. Many people still consider Oblivion the best RPG EVAR and critics love Bethesda's games. FNV outsold ME2 and DAO despite the low critic scores and bugs.

For me? GOTY will be either TW2, ME3 or Deus Ex 3


Except NV wasn't made by Bethesda.

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packardbell wrote...

Critic reviews don't mean sqaut.

I was talking about critic awards.

Many users agree that Oblivion is overrated trash compared to the brillancethat is Morrowind

And even more console players say Oblivion is OMFG BEST GAME EVAR. There's a little thing called user scores on sites if you didn't know. (btw why do I get the feeling you're one of those people that says the majority prefers ME1 over ME2 despite all the evidence)

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Except NV wasn't made by Bethesda.

You think most people know that? Sequels build up on the previous game's popularity

Modifié par DarthCaine, 22 janvier 2011 - 12:04 .


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DarthCaine wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Critic reviews don't mean sqaut.

I was talking about critic awards.

Many users agree that Oblivion is overrated trash compared to the brillancethat is Morrowind

And even more console players say Oblivion is OMFG BEST GAME EVAR. There's a little thing called user scores on sites if you didn't know. (btw why do I get the feeling you're one of those people that says the majority prefers ME1 over ME2 despite all the evidence)

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Except NV wasn't made by Bethesda.

You think most people know that? Sequels build up on the previous game's popularity


That comment about critic reviews not meaning squat wasn't directed at you. Besides I liked ME2 equally, despite some very questionable plot holesand general pacing it was still an enjoyable experience. But yeah most consolites probably thought Bethesda created the IP.

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packardbell wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

packardbell wrote...

We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.

No, I'm basing it on Bethesda's popularity. Many people still consider Oblivion the best RPG EVAR and critics love Bethesda's games. FNV outsold ME2 and DAO despite the low critic scores and bugs.

For me? GOTY will be either TW2, ME3 or Deus Ex 3


Except NV wasn't made by Bethesda.


Not all the true, Obsidian co-op with Bethesda to make the game.

They used their engine, their framework, many assests and had continues support from Bethesda throughout development.

I'm not taking credit away from Obsidian, but Bethesda did play a substancial role in the development.

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This has been posted before :)

http://social.biowar...1/index/5798279

Modifié par ankuu, 22 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .


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packardbell wrote...

Bad King wrote...

packardbell wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)


We know next to nothing about Skyrim and yet you're asusming it'll be the best RPG of the year? If it's as shallow as Oblivion then it won't be.


? Oblivion was very well received (94% on gamerankings and 94/100 on Metacritic) so I bet Skyrim will be great. But yeah we can't judge which one will be best when none of them are out yet.


Critic reviews don't mean sqaut. Many users agree that Oblivion is overrated trash compared to the brillance that is Morrowind. But we're going a bit off-topic here now.


I thought you'd say that. :P

So here you go: 36,735 users on Gamespot gave their scores for Oblivion and it averaged 9.4 (coincidentally the same score as the critics gave).

btw can you post a link to show me this legion of people who think that the game is bad?

Modifié par Bad King, 22 janvier 2011 - 12:38 .


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Bad King wrote...

? Oblivion was very well received (94% on gamerankings and 94/100 on Metacritic) so I bet Skyrim will be great. But yeah we can't judge which one will be best when none of them are out yet.

And yet, ME2 has still surpassed Oblivion across all platforms for all time score at metacritic. ;)

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DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally (I forgot about this one) there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)


Yeah, I agree with you entierly, I think this may be the reason Bioware has changed many things for this year, if not, well atleast I came up with an excuse

Edit: Oblivion wasn't a bad game, it was souless, but still very beautiful and well designed. Morrrowind is far superior is all rights but still Oblivion had it's moments. Skyrim will be the same, but will I still lose my life for it? Ofcourse, because the key to Bethesda is:

1. Dramatic Music
2. Open Worlds
3. Character Development
4. Dramatic story (Oblivion's wasn't good, but still, you have to admit it was all very 'over the top')

But it's sad, the reason why these get such good sales is because of 14 year olds who play the game for all the wrong reasons (and if your a 14-15-13-12-10 year old who doesn't, then thank you :)). Or have you seen the majority of the Oblivion fan base, they claim Risen is Oblivion 5! :lol: silly billy's. Diablo 3 hopefully will have a better fanbase than most Billzard games.

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DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally (I forgot about this one) there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)


Why wouldn't DE3 be considered an RPG? Its predecessors were considered RPGs and this one looks like it's inspired from the first Deus Ex so...

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Why wouldn't DE3 be considered an RPG? Its predecessors were considered RPGs and this one looks like it's inspired from the first Deus Ex so...

I consider them RPGs, however sites like GameSpot for example don't categorize them as such

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BTCentral wrote...

Bad King wrote...

? Oblivion was very well received (94% on gamerankings and 94/100 on Metacritic) so I bet Skyrim will be great. But yeah we can't judge which one will be best when none of them are out yet.

And yet, ME2 has still surpassed Oblivion across all platforms for all time score at metacritic. ;)


Mass Effect 2 came out about 4 years after Oblivion. Mass Effect 1 is a fairer comparisson. Mass Effect 2 fixed the flaws of Mass Effect 1 and Skyrim will fix the flaws of Oblivion.

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DarthCaine wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Why wouldn't DE3 be considered an RPG? Its predecessors were considered RPGs and this one looks like it's inspired from the first Deus Ex so...

I consider them RPGs, however sites like GameSpot for example don't categorize them as such

It is probably due to the different genres of RPG, the ones mentioned in the article are all fantasy, while DE3 would probably be bunched up with ME3.

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Bad King wrote...


Mass Effect 2 came out about 4 years after Oblivion. Mass Effect 1 is a fairer comparisson. Mass Effect 2 fixed the flaws of Mass Effect 1 and Skyrim will fix the flaws of Oblivion.


Oblivion was already a sequel to a sequel. I don't think that has to be taken into consideration.