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Velvetmeds wrote...

lol at all the witcher 2 hype. i liked the first...but if you're expecting the sequel to be better than other RPGs this year including DA2 then you're in for a huge disappointment. don't say i didn't warn you

haha its also a debate, some fierce, on games that are not even out yet.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think pitting one fantasy CRPG against another is a fundamentally silly exercise. Sure, they'll be competing against each other for some awards, but there's a strong overlap between the fanbases. As evidenced by this thread, many people will buy all three.



I hope they all do well, and I say that as someone who found Oblivion tedious and would rather take a cheese grater to her knuckles for an hour than spend it playing The Witcher. I think they're both well-made games, they're just really not to my taste - but more successful fantasy RPGs means more fantasy RPGs that I will enjoy in the long run.



Aside from Dragon Age II, the other thing I really want in 2011 is an English translation of Drakensang: Am Fluss Der Zeit. Or I'm going to have to give in and play the original with liberal use of a dictionary and the pause button.

[johannes1212]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I always felt Bio sold out when they did KotOR. Although if I'm being honest, getting the D&D license was an even bigger sellout.

Given that the D&D license was what put us "on the map," I'm not sure you can consider it to be selling out. We barely existed as a company before it. Unless you were a rabid fan of Shattered Steel, or something.

Mike, you know as well as I do that MDK2 is the pinnacle of Bioware ingenuity, forget Mass Effect, forget Baldur's Gate and forget Star Wars, it's all about MDK2 up in this joint yo!

[Maconbar]

Andrastee wrote...

I think pitting one fantasy CRPG against another is a fundamentally silly exercise. Sure, they'll be competing against each other for some awards, but there's a strong overlap between the fanbases. As evidenced by this thread, many people will buy all three.

I hope they all do well, and I say that as someone who found Oblivion tedious and would rather take a cheese grater to her knuckles for an hour than spend it playing The Witcher. I think they're both well-made games, they're just really not to my taste - but more successful fantasy RPGs means more fantasy RPGs that I will enjoy in the long run.

Aside from Dragon Age II, the other thing I really want in 2011 is an English translation of Drakensang: Am Fluss Der Zeit. Or I'm going to have to give in and play the original with liberal use of a dictionary and the pause button.

Absolutely. I would be thrilled if I had 10 great rpgs to choose from each year.

[DarthCaine]

Velvetmeds wrote...

lol at all the Dragon Fail 2 hype. i liked the first...but if you're expecting the sequel to be better than other RPGs this year including The Witcher 2 then you're in for a huge disappointment. don't say i didn't warn you

Fixed

Modifié par DarthCaine, 23 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .

[Denadareth]

Well, as I'm Polish supporting TW2 is kind of patriotism for me. To be honest a preferred DA to TW, but only a bit. In fact, I found the story of the Witcher a tad better, but the lack of companions and the combat were in favour of Bioware.



I have to add that TW loses A LOT in English (even in the enhanced edition) but I assure You that DA loses also quite a lot in Polish. If I can, I prefer to play a game in its original language.



As far as I love Blizzard (well, mostly the StarCraft franchise) Diablo finished for me on the first part and TES ended with Morrowind. So yeah, I'm going to buy DA2 and TW2 definitely, ME3 probably but after some time. And that's it.

[Soul Reaver]

Velvetmeds wrote...

lol at all the witcher 2 hype. i liked the first...but if you're expecting the sequel to be better than other RPGs this year including DA2 then you're in for a huge disappointment. don't say i didn't warn you

And if you're expecting DA2 to be better than other RPGs this year (especialy The Witcher 2) YOU'RE in for a huge disappointment. don't say i didn't warn you.

Modifié par Soul Reaver, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:00 .

[Dreadstruck]

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

[Denadareth]

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

Perish that thought! Unspeakable!
As it was said, I don't think there are so many RPGs that people have to form "camps".

[DarthCaine]

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

There can be only one

I'm pretty sure I'll like all of them, but there always has to be a best one

[Marionetten]

There really isn't much point in comparing The Witcher 2 to Dragon Age II.

The Witcher 2 is being developed specifically for the PC whereas Dragon Age II is a multiplatform project. It stands to reason that The Witcher 2 will be the far superior PC experience as it's being tailor made for the platform. I'm sure that Dragon Age II will be an excellent multiplatform production but it's just not going to compare.

Modifié par Marionetten, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:22 .

[Damariel]

DarthCaine wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

There can be only one

I'm pretty sure I'll like all of them, but there always has to be a best one

And everyone thinks that "best" one is not this that you chose It's always depends on personal opinons

[AlexXIV]

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

I wouldn't have a problem liking both if the Witcher had been half as good as the fanboys claim. But it wasn't. I just don't get what is the point of people comming here to boast about how great this game was when it wasn't. Particularly pointless when they try to actually point out why in detail and I realize they are talking out of their arses.

My dislike for the witcher doesn't really have much to do with DA fainboism, hell I didn't even preorder DA2 and whether I buy it at all and when is up in the stars, but I really dislike people who spread false information about games in the internet. As a result people will throw their money out of the window just because some idiots think they do anyone a favor by spreading false information.

This is a DA2 thread though and I am not going to discuss the witcher, but be sure I could find 100 reasons why the witcher wasn't/isn't a good game. I bought it on steam for 15 euro and I am still disappointed. And just because people keep claiming it was such a great game when it was not.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:27 .

[DarthCaine]

@AlexXIV



It's mostly a matter of personal opinion and which forums you visit. For example, try the GameSpot PC forums: a lot of people hated DAO and now bash DA2 repeatedly, while you'll find a lot more praise for The Witcher

[AlexXIV]

DarthCaine wrote...

@AlexXIV

It's mostly a matter of personal opinion and which forums you visit. For example, try the GameSpot PC forums: a lot of people hated DAO and now bash DA2 repeatedly, while you'll find a lot more praise for The Witcher

But this is the DA2 forum, could at least expect people to be fair. I mean I never posted at some witcher forum how much I disliked their game. I just realized for my self I made a bad purchase and be done with it. The reason why I am here is because I think DA2 could be a game I'm interested in. So I don't really understand why people come here with seemingly their sole purpose to bash Bioware/EA/DA2.

[Count Viceroy]

Who gives a damn what other people think. I will play all three and I will enjoy them all. I don't even see them as the same type of games. Elder scrolls is a free roaming game, Witcher is a 'oldschool' RPG and while DAO was a proper RPG, DA2 looks more like an action rpg.

The first witcher couldn't hold a candle in the wind against any Bioware title to date in my book, I'm not expecting them to deliver this time either. Geralt is the worst protagonist ever.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:44 .

[Fishy]

Saibh wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

I don't think that's really fair. We always listen to constructive criticism, but we have to listen to that criticism in context. If someone tells us that Mass Effect 2 was a huge failure and made terrible design decisions, we have to acknowledge that not everyone agrees with that sentiment. Perhaps they were terrible design decisions for that one person's preferences, but not everyone.

It's like walking up to an olympic gold medalist and yelling "YOU SUCK!" because you don't like their hair color. "I think you would look better as a blonde, but I recognize that you are a very fast swimmer!" would be a more reasonable sentiment. Put another way, it's the difference between saying "I don't like the Beatles" (which is reasonable) and "The Beatles sucked" (which is not reasonable, as they had a huge impact on music).

Eh...those aren't very good analogies. Whether Beatles are good or not is subjective. Just because many people agree with an opinion doesn't make it fact. Certain things, like they were very successful, many people liked them, and they heavily influenced music are fact. But that has little to do with how you feel about the quality of the music.

Not only that, but most criticisms directed at ME are directed at the quality of the game, not something irrelevant, like "this game sucks because I don't like Shepard's face". An Olympic gold medalist analogy doesn't work anway, because their prowess has nothing to do with how you feel about them. It's cold, hard numbers. Any entertainment medium, however, is subject to opinion.

That said, I'm a big fan of ME2, generally disagree on every point raised by people who disliked it, and eagerly await ME3. I also see the point in bringing up the GOTY issue--you, as an individual, did not like the game, but the great majority did, and because BioWare cannot possible cater to every opinion, majority rules.

So you're saying that the quality in art is subjective?Interesting ..

[Fishy]

The quality in art ain't subjective but your taste is .. It's like food.

[AlexXIV]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Who gives a damn what other people think. I will play all three and I will enjoy them all. I don't even see them as the same type of games. Elder scrolls is a free roaming game, Witcher is a 'oldschool' RPG and while DAO was a proper RPG, DA2 looks more like an action rpg.

The first witcher couldn't hold a candle in the wind against any Bioware title to date in my book, I'm not expecting them to deliver this time either. Geralt is the worst protagonist ever.

I'm sorry but I still don't undererstand what qualifies DA2 being an action rpg and the witcher old school. The combat in the witcher is pretty much action oriented and you don't want to tell me that the witcher has more class customisation either, or different armor/weapon types. I played fire path and all I did in the witcher was running in circles and casting my one and only firespell. Even in boss fights. The only thing 'old school' is probably collecting ingredients and having your inventory overflowing with all kind of unnecessary stuff.

Ok you have 'barfights' and you can drink alcoholics in taverns to influence people. That's probably something of a nostalgy point. But nobody said we don't get that in DA2. Actually my fear for DA2 is that it gets too much like the witcher.

[Damariel]

AlexXIV wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

I wouldn't have a problem liking both if the Witcher had been half as good as the fanboys claim. But it wasn't. I just don't get what is the point of people comming here to boast about how great this game was when it wasn't. Particularly pointless when they try to actually point out why in detail and I realize they are talking out of their arses.

My dislike for the witcher doesn't really have much to do with DA fainboism, hell I didn't even preorder DA2 and whether I buy it at all and when is up in the stars, but I really dislike people who spread false information about games in the internet. As a result people will throw their money out of the window just because some idiots think they do anyone a favor by spreading false information.

This is a DA2 thread though and I am not going to discuss the witcher, but be sure I could find 100 reasons why the witcher wasn't/isn't a good game. I bought it on steam for 15 euro and I am still disappointed. And just because people keep claiming it was such a great game when it was not.

give me private message with this 100 reasons and then I would belive you if it's not "because I hate the witcher" copy 100 times.

Modifié par Damariel, 23 janvier 2011 - 01:57 .

[DragonRageGT]

Quick jump in. Just finished yet another run with The Witcher. What a fraking awesome game! The only game ever that I've spent as much time replaying as TW is Dragon Age. I've have fairly 2,000 hours with each. Another 1,000 with Oblivion but with only two chars and because there wasn't much good stuff to play. If I start an Oblivion run today I get sick. - hmm Perhaps the Gothics/Risen gets into my most played games list too. I really love them as well.

If I start another DA or TW (which I'm really considering because when I finish either one, I really crave for one more run). It's amazing for me how many different stuff can I try after all those hours and even discover a few new things, in The Witcher more than DA:O for that matter.

If DA2 and TW2 are anything as good as their predecessor, I am sure I will love them both.

And I really don't know what people complain about TW1 combat. It is amazing. Once you are skilled enough to chain combo after combo attack and have your Geralt skilled enough to play on Expert diff and master the art of alchemy (the secondary properties), the only complain I have is that the fights are too fast and I never get to use the level 5 combo attack because everything is dead before I reach that!

Ok, the OTS camera needs some getting used to. But the "NWN" camera makes it very comfortable for the first run and very familiar for those used to Neverwinter Nights. Plus the great story with great choices to make, the incredible funny remarks of those citizens that make each vilage or city feel really alive. Plus the game is incredibly beautiful!

I have well over 100 videos of DA:O with over 1.3mil view and only 3 vids of TW with a very low view count but that doesn't make it any less of a masterpiece.


The Witcher - HD - The Goddess and The Knight - (or the Jest)

[The Elder King]

DarthCaine wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

There can be only one

I'm pretty sure I'll like all of them, but there always has to be a best one

The "best one" will always be based on a personal opinion. Two of the most important italian gamesite gave the GOTY to GOW3 and RDR, but in my opinion the GOTY was ME2. Even if a game wins the 50 most important award, I can said that imho another game is better than this. Especially in RPG contest, the preference is strictly subjective.

[Bad King]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Skyrim will undoubtedly blow DA2 away in awards (and sales). Then there's also ME3, which I'm pretty sure will get the rest of the awards. As for The Witcher 2, it's a PC exclusive, meaning it'll be nominated in only a few categories.

Then there's also Deus Ex: Human Revolution... (though I don't think sites will categorize it as an RPG)

And finally (I forgot about this one) there's Diablo 3, which will pretty much destroy everything in it's sight.

I'll be really surprised if DA2 gets even 1 award with all that competition, as DA2 is looking to be the worst of the bunch
(not saying that DA2 will be a bad game, just not as good as all the other AAA RPGs coming in 2011)

Yeah, I agree with you entierly, I think this may be the reason Bioware has changed many things for this year, if not, well atleast I came up with an excuse

Edit: Oblivion wasn't a bad game, it was souless, but still very beautiful and well designed. Morrrowind is far superior is all rights but still Oblivion had it's moments. Skyrim will be the same, but will I still lose my life for it? Ofcourse, because the key to Bethesda is:

1. Dramatic Music
2. Open Worlds
3. Character Development
4. Dramatic story (Oblivion's wasn't good, but still, you have to admit it was all very 'over the top')

But it's sad, the reason why these get such good sales is because of 14 year olds who play the game for all the wrong reasons (and if your a 14-15-13-12-10 year old who doesn't, then thank you ). Or have you seen the majority of the Oblivion fan base, they claim Risen is Oblivion 5! silly billy's. Diablo 3 hopefully will have a better fanbase than most Billzard games.

I agree about Morrowind...It is the best sandbox game I have ever played...that said I think ME3 will gain its far share of awards as it is the end of a trilogy, which will in itself create larger than normal buzz, and the fact that the dlc (lotsb) seem to suggest game improvements are headed in the right direction tells me the ME3 team has it together which bodes well for the final product...Skyrim will no foubt sell well, but, and I can only speak for myself, Oblivion took a big step backwards in terms of story (main quest) and character development,had less free form quests, less faction quests (the best part of morrowind IMO), and less overall locations despite being prettier and having great music...

I agree that Morrowind had a better main quest than Oblivion, but I still much prefer Oblivion's sidemissions. Yes, Morrowind had more sidemissions but they were far shorter and far simpler than Oblivion's sidequests. For example, the final mission in the Thieves guild in Morrowind was just to kill this corrupt Fighters Guild leader. It took about two minutes to complete and was just like any other 'kill an NPC' quest. In Oblivion however, the final Thieves guild mission was an epic heist into the forbidden Imperial Library to steal an Elder Scroll. It was much longer (probably an hour or two in length) and IMO more fun and more exciting. The same is true for most of Oblivion's sidemissions in my opinion. And that's one of the reasons why I prefer Oblivion to Morrowind.

But yeah, I did miss all the faction politics that were present in Morrowind (such as the Telvanni/Hlaalu/Redoran house wars and the Thieves Guild/Cammona Tong rivalries), and hopefully they'll bring back that element of dodgy politics in Skyrim.

[Darth Hawke]

Count Viceroy wrote...

The first witcher couldn't hold a candle in the wind against any Bioware title to date in my book, I'm not expecting them to deliver this time either. Geralt is the worst protagonist ever.

IMO the only BioWare games (and RPGs in general) that are better than The Witcher are ME2 and KOTOR.

The Witcher is only slightly better than DAO IMO, mostly 'cos its dark fantasy atmosphere and the gray choices.
As for games like ME1, NwN, JE, BG1 etc. The Witcher totally blows them out of the water

Modifié par Darth Hawke, 23 janvier 2011 - 02:55 .

[dorquemada]

AlexXIV wrote...

My dislike for the witcher doesn't really have much to do with DA fainboism, hell I didn't even preorder DA2 and whether I buy it at all and when is up in the stars, but I really dislike people who spread false information about games in the internet. As a result people will throw their money out of the window just because some idiots think they do anyone a favor by spreading false information.

Rabid fanboyism aside, I rather like when people spread information about games on random forums (false is a subjective thing). I trust word of mouth advertisement more than huge pompastic campaigns filled with Marketingese buzzwords. Seriously, those are becoming so ridiculous that my reaction to them is "roll eyes for disbelief".