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[SithLordExarKun]

Im all out for the Witcher 2. Seriously DA isn't "dark" as bioware proclaimed it to be, the story felt rather light hearted compared to the setting in The Witcher. The Witchers setting, character and journey pretty much felt very dark and gritty, you were travelling alone, people you get close to die pretty much seperates itself different from DAO.



Both are good games but imo The Witcher was a much much darker RPG. I just hope the Witcher 2 is as good or better(the same goes to DA2), but alas poor shani may not be appearing in TW2

[Count Viceroy]

AlexXIV wrote...

I'm sorry but I still don't undererstand what qualifies DA2 being an action rpg and the witcher old school. The combat in the witcher is pretty much action oriented and you don't want to tell me that the witcher has more class customisation either, or different armor/weapon types. I played fire path and all I did in the witcher was running in circles and casting my one and only firespell. Even in boss fights. The only thing 'old school' is probably collecting ingredients and having your inventory overflowing with all kind of unnecessary stuff.

It's just an arbitrary classification, and if you ask me, a personal one.

An old school RPG has inventory management, I don't care how stupid it sounds, thats just how it is for me. It doesn't make any other game less of an RPG per say, it's just recieves another label. is all.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:24 .

[Count Viceroy]

Darth Hawke wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

The first witcher couldn't hold a candle in the wind against any Bioware title to date in my book, I'm not expecting them to deliver this time either. Geralt is the worst protagonist ever.

IMO the only BioWare games (and RPGs in general) that are better than The Witcher are ME2 and KOTOR.

The Witcher is only slightly better than DAO IMO, mostly 'cos its dark fantasy atmosphere and the gray choices.
As for games like ME1, NwN, JE, BG1 etc. The Witcher totally blows them out of the water

Personally, I had much more fun with all of the above than with the witcher. Witcher has many good points, but there's 2 very important things that just kills the whole experience for me.  Geralt has the personality of a stone, which in turn makes the whole story and world he's participating in kind of dull.  Add to that the lack of customization and we have a clear loser.

Different strokes for different folks.

[TMZuk]

Haristo wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If Skyrim is anyhow like Oblivion I am not going to buy it. The best Bethesda RPG was Morrowind btw., not Oblivion. If Witcher2 is anyway like Witcher1, I am not gonna buy it either. So for me most like it will be DA2, SWTOR and MassEffect3. And that's it unless either Witcher2 or Skyrim get 9/10 ratings from reviews.

I don't know for The Witchers 2. but Face it : Skyrim will be smaller than Oblivion and somehow, that can mean easier. just look at the Tamriel Map ;



and TEs 6 will be on High Rock because they want to keep those games smaller but beautifull, and Bugless. I somehow liked Oblivion but I agree, this is NOT Morrowind's Epicness level.

In a small venture of going off topic: How does that map prove that Skyrim will be smaller than Oblivion? I't not a question of landmass, but how much you put in the land, obviously. New vegas is perhaps 50 x 50 miles, not really certain, but it is none the less HUGE. Daggerfall was a much smaller area than Oblivion, and Daggerfall was an enourmous game. Arena was as far as I recall all of bloody Tamriel, and still it was smaller than Daggerfall.

Modifié par TMZuk, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:24 .

[Cuthlan]

Witcher didn't do anything for me. Witcher 2 isn't going to be getting money from me.



But DA2 and Skyrim both have me really stoked. I recently finished another DA:O playthrough, and I decided yesterday to fire up Oblivion again.

[Zannana]

Let me start by saying I love RPGs. That prompted my decision to buy (I payed quite a lot for it) the first Witcher and later I felt that I would have been better to have burned my money. I just couldn't play it because of the combat. I am really hoping things may have changed in the second of the series.

As far as Dragon Age (and ultimately,every Bioware game I have played) were user friendly and had very nice stories.Even Mass Effect 1 with the texture bug, I didn't mind so much and I even got the hang of the game play(I am not a pc fanatic so it takes a while to coordinate and play anything resembling a shooter game) because I loved the story.

I like Bethesda and I love the freedom you get to move around in the world, like in Fallout but the story is so often lacking (especially the endings). It is unfortunate but it is what I have seen while playing their games.

Despite bugs and things like that, I am ultimately more inclined to buy games made by Bioware than any other company. I could even be enticed to try an MMO like Star wars, even though I ultimately hate MMOs.

That said, I am looking forward to all good RPGs to come and I will judge them after having played them

Modifié par Zannana, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:34 .

[slimgrin]

RageGT wrote...

Quick jump in. Just finished yet another run with The Witcher. What a fraking awesome game! The only game ever that I've spent as much time replaying as TW is Dragon Age. I've have fairly 2,000 hours with each.

..........

Bloody hell, Rage. How many times have you played these games? I finished TW three times and DA just once.

* hangs head in shame*

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[Velvetmeds]

Soul Reaver wrote...

Velvetmeds wrote...

lol at all the witcher 2 hype. i liked the first...but if you're expecting the sequel to be better than other RPGs this year including DA2 then you're in for a huge disappointment. don't say i didn't warn you

And if you're expecting DA2 to be better than other RPGs this year (especialy The Witcher 2) YOU'RE in for a huge disappointment. don't say i didn't warn you.

what is so special about The Witcher 2? The only thing i care about it is continuing the first game's story, which was okay but nothing special. The gameplay will be bad because they can't make good gameplay, judging not only from the first game but also from the videos released of the sequel. It's just gonna be another one of those RPGs where you can't wait to get until the next cutscene/dialogue because everything you do in between is terribad.

This whole thing is just a fad. People see DA and Bioware having more success and hype than ever and they suddenly turn into the hipster-dudes, "Oh, nooeee, Bioware, DA? What's that? Witcher is so much cooler and darker, like, dark blood and sex and all that, not mainstream crap!"

Yeah, come back when you grow out of that phase.

[Josef bugman3]

I think it may be hyperbole there... I sincerely hope so anyway.

I am looking forward to DA:2, but the rest I can take or leave, I might rent "witch" if it comes out on the consoles and I probably will rent Skyrim. Diablo is... well if I wanted to play a pointless hack fest I'd play dynasty warriors. Oh I know lots of people enjoy Diablo to death ofc, but I couldn't get into it.

In short, bring on Dragon age and I'll see what others say about the other games.

Modifié par Josef bugman3, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:50 .

[Damariel]

Velvetmeds wrote...

what is so special about The Witcher 2? The only thing i care about it is continuing the first game's story, which was okay but nothing special. The gameplay will be bad because they can't make good gameplay, judging not only from the first game but also from the videos released of the sequel. It's just gonna be another one of those RPGs where you can't wait to get until the next cutscene/dialogue because everything you do in between is terribad.

This whole thing is just a fad. People see DA and Bioware having more success and hype than ever and they suddenly turn into the hipster-dudes, "Oh, nooeee, Bioware, DA? What's that? Witcher is so much cooler and darker, like, dark blood and sex and all that, not mainstream crap!"

Yeah, come back when you grow out of that phase.

<facepalm> ... really?...

[Master1982]

Zitat:

I wouldn't have a problem liking both if the Witcher had been half as good as the fanboys claim. But it wasn't. I just don't get what is the point of people comming here to boast about how great this game was when it wasn't. Particularly pointless when they try to actually point out why in detail and I realize they are talking out of their arses.

My dislike for the witcher doesn't really have much to do with DA fainboism, hell I didn't even preorder DA2 and whether I buy it at all and when is up in the stars, but I really dislike people who spread false information about games in the internet. As a result people will throw their money out of the window just because some idiots think they do anyone a favor by spreading false information.

This is a DA2 thread though and I am not going to discuss the witcher, but be sure I could find 100 reasons why the witcher wasn't/isn't a good game. I bought it on steam for 15 euro and I am still disappointed. And just because people keep claiming it was such a great game when it was not.


@AlexXIV

this thread title is Dragon Age vs The Witcher and Skyrim what you expect to actually find all the Dragon Age 2, all praise to the sky only because it is a DA board?

No, and I think it's right because discussions will rise and everyone should also times his views on what they say are better, why many praise The Witcher II, occurs because as CD Project Red, a lot more scenes were shown, we have much much more of the game saw as Dragon Age II as I should I form an opinion when there is only a handful of videos, where are the real trailer out to justify a purchase, and that just has The Witcher developer ahead, we've just seen more material While have to fight to DA 2 with embargoes, etc!

I like Bioware, they are the best game developers out there. And I've pre-ordered Dragon Age II and I'm really looking forward to it. Even though I have not seen much of the game;-)

Modifié par Master1982, 23 janvier 2011 - 04:18 .

[iceman228433]

Eh who cares i am going to buy all 4 I included Mass Effect 3 with those.

[Addai]

Velvetmeds wrote...

what is so special about The Witcher 2? The only thing i care about it is continuing the first game's story, which was okay but nothing special. The gameplay will be bad because they can't make good gameplay, judging not only from the first game but also from the videos released of the sequel. It's just gonna be another one of those RPGs where you can't wait to get until the next cutscene/dialogue because everything you do in between is terribad.

This whole thing is just a fad. People see DA and Bioware having more success and hype than ever and they suddenly turn into the hipster-dudes, "Oh, nooeee, Bioware, DA? What's that? Witcher is so much cooler and darker, like, dark blood and sex and all that, not mainstream crap!"

Yeah, come back when you grow out of that phase.

*scratches head*  I'm not usually a fan of combat and there were problems with combat in The Witcher for me (repetitiveness of certain lower level monsters and the twitch mechanic), but it definitely had its interesting aspects.  Having to combine different potions, signs and combat styles made for an interesting challenge each area and level.  Then there were battles that you could not win with prowess, you had to find some feature in the landscape to help you.  In this way it could be quite tactical.

I really don't get the extremes of opinion on this game.  It is a good game, astonishingly good in some respects (like the artistic detail) considering its engine and that it's basically a small indie game.  Yet it's not the be-all end-all of RPGs either.  The judgmental tone in your post is no more mature than the people you're criticizing, though.  Takes one to know one, I guess?

[Addai]

Marionetten wrote...

There really isn't much point in comparing The Witcher 2 to Dragon Age II.

The Witcher 2 is being developed specifically for the PC whereas Dragon Age II is a multiplatform project. It stands to reason that The Witcher 2 will be the far superior PC experience as it's being tailor made for the platform. I'm sure that Dragon Age II will be an excellent multiplatform production but it's just not going to compare.

I'm a little worried about this tbh.  There were times in ME that I definitely knew it was meant for console.  Like, every time I got in the damn Mako (the Whacko, as I came to call it).  Which turned out to be a breeze compared to the &#!(<& Hammerhead.

At least, I'm assuming those must run better on the console, because what sadistic bastard would actually design a game feature like that...

[dorquemada]

slimgrin wrote...

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Bloody hell, Rage. How many times have you played these games? I finished TW three times and DA just once.

* hangs head in shame*

Heh. If there's one thing DA:O has on TW, it's replayability. With Geralt, you max out Ignii, brew some stuff and off you go, merrily clicking away, every playthrough like the first playthrough (unless you gimp him, but I personally cannot. Setting everything on fire is so much fun!). As for the plot, I'd never side with the Scoia'taels or kill people I spared before so nothing new here as well, so two playthroughs felt enough. Now, DA:O...let's see...rogue, gimped rogue and three mages with different set of spells, all required different approach. I wonder if DA2 will keep the replayability, what with "streamlined" skill trees and whatnot.

TW, however, totally wins at emotional involvement, seeing how I cannot force myself to pick certain options, whereas in DA:O I happily rampaged through with the cackling Stupid Evil madman ruining everything and everyone.

[AlanC9]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm a little worried about this tbh.  There were times in ME that I definitely knew it was meant for console.  Like, every time I got in the damn Mako (the Whacko, as I came to call it).  Which turned out to be a breeze compared to the &#!(<& Hammerhead.

At least, I'm assuming those must run better on the console, because what sadistic bastard would actually design a game feature like that...

Actually, the Mako is infamous for being hard to control on the XBox.

I didn't have any problem with it on the PC, and the Hammerhead was even easier, though you don't have to do so much with it. I don't quite get what your issues were, I guess.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .

[EclipticOlive54]

The last elder scrolls game I liked was Morrowind and I beat that (played it once). Oblivion, I liked it but wasn't as interesting as Morrowind ( didn't finish the game) . I like ME 1, but ME2 was much more interesting than ME1( beat ME1 2x, and ME2 3x) ; Dragon age origins was pretty much my only game that got me to play it 4x and finish the story plus the DLC. Dragon age pretty much as a story that makes me want to play it again to see a different route of the game. hopeuflly DA 2 will get me to play it 4x or more.

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...
Actually, the Mako is infamous for being hard to control on the XBox.

I didn't have any problem with it on the PC, and the Hammerhead was even easier, though you don't have to do so much with it. I don't quite get what your issues were, I guess.

Really? I found the thing unusable on certain parts of the ME PC - like Feros. It handled like Shepard was driving drunk.

[underhill1990]

bioware to me is all about the story. I think skyrim might be a better rpg in terms of gameplay, but the story will have nothing on DA2's.

[EclipticOlive54]

underhill1990 wrote...

bioware to me is all about the story. I think skyrim might be a better rpg in terms of gameplay, but the story will have nothing on DA2's.

Defintely, I agree with you.

[Shepard Lives]

In Exile wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Actually, the Mako is infamous for being hard to control on the XBox.

I didn't have any problem with it on the PC, and the Hammerhead was even easier, though you don't have to do so much with it. I don't quite get what your issues were, I guess.

Really? I found the thing unusable on certain parts of the ME PC - like Feros. It handled like Shepard was driving drunk.

Put more stuff in the thing the stuff goes in!

[TransientNomad]

The Witcher I thought was decent. I liked Gerault but he never felt like he was "my" character so much as a character I just happened to play as, unlike most Bioware games. Also, while you do have moral choices, I found it usually came down to "What Gerault would do" and two choices of "What Gerault would most likely not do given his character." Also, I didn't really care for the combat. Still a very good game.



Skyrim is shaping up to be excellent. Of course I am one of those people that like Oblivion more than Morrowind. Morrowind was great... for its time, and I felt that Oblivion was a step in the right direction. Hated TES before Morrowind, however.



Never liked Diablo. I played the first, and found it to be utterly boring. Played the second, and found I didn't like it for the same reasons as the first. Truthfully I can understand why its popular, because it is the greatest "Looters" RPG of all time, but I play my rpgs for the narrative, which the Diablos were never strong on. I most likely am going to completely skip this one.



Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 I am psyched for the most.

[AlanC9]

In Exile wrote...
Really? I found the thing unusable on certain parts of the ME PC - like Feros. It handled like Shepard was driving drunk.

Overcontrolling, maybe? AFAIK there's no way to adjust turning sensitivity, unlike mouse-based controls.

The XBox problem, IIRC, is that steering was controlled by the turret position somehow, rather than being independent.

[DragonRageGT]

dorquemada wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

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Bloody hell, Rage. How many times have you played these games? I finished TW three times and DA just once.

* hangs head in shame*

Heh. If there's one thing DA:O has on TW, it's replayability. With Geralt, you max out Ignii, brew some stuff and off you go, merrily clicking away, every playthrough like the first playthrough (unless you gimp him, but I personally cannot. Setting everything on fire is so much fun!). As for the plot, I'd never side with the Scoia'taels or kill people I spared before so nothing new here as well, so two playthroughs felt enough. Now, DA:O...let's see...rogue, gimped rogue and three mages with different set of spells, all required different approach. I wonder if DA2 will keep the replayability, what with "streamlined" skill trees and whatnot.

TW, however, totally wins at emotional involvement, seeing how I cannot force myself to pick certain options, whereas in DA:O I happily rampaged through with the cackling Stupid Evil madman ruining everything and everyone.

Totally agree with you about DA. Although I haven't played mages - created 3 and deleted them before level 10 as I like mages NPC with retraining better - I tried so many different approaches to different classes, builds and personalities. Around 20 full runs and one on hold. Took 3 of them through Awakenings too. Origins is much better! Completely stopped using DLC items, at least on main char, because I feel original release items are more balanced or give me more a feel of enjoying it more.

But The Witcher has it too. My Geralt has no memory of the past. He's to be molded into whatever personality I want for him. Many runs trying many different styles and finding new stuff. Like, there are some side quests that only starts at a certain hour of the day and I had never found it in the first runs. And in 9 out of 10 runs I always side with the Elves but I did try all the other options just to make sure I experienced them. Plus different builds, mostly swordsmanship as I really don't like playing mages but TW has different mage builds to be tried and they're fun! And final char levels. First time I finished around level 34-35. Latest runs, around 41-42. I'm still going to have the level 50 run! It is a cool game to play! Only thing I never tried is bombs. Not my style but I read they're fun too.

The only problem with The Witcher is the save files. Around 16-17 MB each file. My latest run had over 900 saves. It can frak up someone with low HD space who doesn't pay attention! Gladly, it's easy to browse and keep the Saves folder clean. Also, I'd recomment creating a Perma_Save folder and copy/paste the main files of a main run that one wishes to import into TW2.

Now, with 16 different possible endings in TW2... talk about replayability!

[Addai]

In Exile wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Actually, the Mako is infamous for being hard to control on the XBox.

I didn't have any problem with it on the PC, and the Hammerhead was even easier, though you don't have to do so much with it. I don't quite get what your issues were, I guess.

Really? I found the thing unusable on certain parts of the ME PC - like Feros. It handled like Shepard was driving drunk.

Heh, yeah I figured the crew had a lot of jokes about women drivers going.  I got it, by the end of the game.  With the Hammerhead, my god I just wanted that DLC to be over.

As far as characterization, it just has its limits with a fixed character.  As I said upthread, once I felt like I had gotten the best fit for Shepard, I can't play her any other way.  And the same with Geralt.  It will be interesting to see if Hawke feels that limited.  The voice really does make a difference for me, however.  I wonder if some people tune voices out more than I do or what.  There's probably some mental trick to it that allows people to immerse in a voiced PC and I haven't learned it yet.