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[AlexXIV]

Damariel wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

God forbid that there are actually people who like both.

I wouldn't have a problem liking both if the Witcher had been half as good as the fanboys claim. But it wasn't. I just don't get what is the point of people comming here to boast about how great this game was when it wasn't. Particularly pointless when they try to actually point out why in detail and I realize they are talking out of their arses.

My dislike for the witcher doesn't really have much to do with DA fainboism, hell I didn't even preorder DA2 and whether I buy it at all and when is up in the stars, but I really dislike people who spread false information about games in the internet. As a result people will throw their money out of the window just because some idiots think they do anyone a favor by spreading false information.

This is a DA2 thread though and I am not going to discuss the witcher, but be sure I could find 100 reasons why the witcher wasn't/isn't a good game. I bought it on steam for 15 euro and I am still disappointed. And just because people keep claiming it was such a great game when it was not.

give me private message with this 100 reasons and then I would belive you if it's not "because I hate the witcher" copy 100 times.

Well only thing that gets in the way is the fact that I am lazy. But I promise if I ever make a list out of boredom or whatever I will post it in some Bioware forum

[Morroian]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Im all out for the Witcher 2. Seriously DA isn't "dark" as bioware proclaimed it to be, the story felt rather light hearted compared to the setting in The Witcher. The Witchers setting, character and journey pretty much felt very dark and gritty, you were travelling alone, people you get close to die pretty much seperates itself different from DAO.

Why does dark automatically mean better? One of my complaints about ASOIAF for instance is that it is so dark without much humour to leaven the darkness that it leaves me as a reader feeling completely without hope which makes the series a slog. Compare it to the Malazan series which is my favourite fantasy series and there is far more gallows type humour there even though the situations are just as horrific as in ASOIAF.  

[Kinkaku]

I'll end up getting all 3 anyways and they'll all be great games. Though with so little info on Skyrim as is it will be more difficult to say that it will be better then the other 2, you never know.

Modifié par Akiios, 23 janvier 2011 - 10:59 .

[Gabey5]

flemeth

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...


Overcontrolling, maybe? AFAIK there's no way to adjust turning sensitivity, unlike mouse-based controls.

That's a good way of putting it. I think it's the obstacles that killed me. It made the Mako bounce around just brutally. I'm so glad ME2 cut the Mako. One feature I absolutely loathed.

Addai67 wrote...
As far as characterization, it just has its
limits with a fixed character.  As I said upthread, once I felt like I
had gotten the best fit for Shepard, I can't play her any other way. 
And the same with Geralt.  It will be interesting to see if Hawke feels
that limited.  The voice really does make a difference for me, however. 
I wonder if some people tune voices out more than I do or what. 
There's probably some mental trick to it that allows people to immerse
in a voiced PC and I haven't learned it yet.

I think David had a good point in an interview that he did recently about the difference from the writer's PoV and fixed characters versus variable characters which really gets at why I like a character that is more fixed:

David Gaider in the Gamezone interview says....

The more you define your character, the more tools you give a writer to
tell the story. Whenever you have a completely ambiguous main character,
you have to have the story be about other characters. The more defined
that main character is, the more the story can be about the protagonist.
Those definitions are things you can hook a plot to. If you have plots
like, say, Neverwinter Nights is an example, you have a character. There
could have been anyone from any race, any class, any background - it
wasn’t defined at all. Therefore, they were an unknown that was taking
in the plot that was occurring around them. That’s what you need to do.

[Carmen_Willow]

AlanC9 wrote...

Haristo wrote...
. I'm somewhat missing Baldur'S Gate 1 & 2, I tryed 'em. But I never found any box containing them at Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy or other.

You didn't try Amazon? Edit: you can't really expect backlist stuff to get onto shelves. It's great when it does, but it's unlikely.

I was able to purchase Baldur's Gate 4 in one box set online at Amazon as well as  The Witcher enhanced edition.

[Carmen_Willow]

I am very excited as I love Dragon Age, Oblivion and Mass Effect. I had heart palpitations when I discovered that all three would have sequels out this year.....I've already purchased by DA: 2 and will be purchasing the other 2. I'm very excited to see if Bethesda has made the changes to their AI so that their NPCs are more interactive. We already know that Bioware knows about interactive characters.

[Krytheos]

To be perfectly honest, I never saw the appeal in the Witcher. The Sex Cards bit that I learned turned me off the game almost as fast as putting down Final Fantasy XII because the main character wasn't Reks/as awesome as Reks/Basch. There's a difference between having a likeable protagonist and a protagonist so bad I want to gouge out my ears in frustration then murder the guy who thought it'd be a great idea.



Where was I? Oh right. The Witcher looked nice, but all I heard about it turned me off of it fast. First, Sex Cards. Really immature, sorry to say, and the designer who thought of it should've been beaten with the Common Sense stick. The books Geralt is based on are nice and all, but I'm not sure I recall sex cards being in them. Ever.



Otherwise, it looked like the developers did a nice job, but overall, I wouldn't have been able to get into the game at all. The Witcher 2 might remedy that, or might not, it remains to be seen. The combat walkthrough? Nice to see they fixed the combat and stuff, but otherwise, I'm way more wary of it because of it's predecessor.



Skyrim sounds promising, as does DA2. For now, TW2 is a low 'maybe' on my list, with Skyrim topping my 'looking forward to' games followed by DA2.



All in all though, there needn't be a winner in this contest, and there won't be. All of them are potentially great fantasy rpgs that fans get to have their hands on, maybe sometime this year. Competiton produces some of the best games out there, and if it means I get to enjoy, as a consumer, all of these games then all the better. Still doesn't have to be a 'clear' winner, though.

[Addai]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I am very excited as I love Dragon Age, Oblivion and Mass Effect. I had heart palpitations when I discovered that all three would have sequels out this year.....I've already purchased by DA: 2 and will be purchasing the other 2. I'm very excited to see if Bethesda has made the changes to their AI so that their NPCs are more interactive. We already know that Bioware knows about interactive characters.

Fallout New Vegas was already a step forward in this area, with companion personal quests and more interaction.  I hope Skryim follows suit as long as they are optional.

Todd Howard did an interview recently and pointed out that RPG is moving even into action games.  So the big RPGs borrowing the best from each other, well I'm not happy about DA borrowing from ME but very happy that Bethesda seems to be borrowing that aspect from BioWare.

I'll also point out that the FNV companions had unique armors from their quests, but you could still change their kit out.  Win win. 

[DPB]

Addai67 wrote...

Fallout New Vegas was already a step forward in this area, with companion personal quests and more interaction.  I hope Skryim follows suit as long as they are optional.

That was Obsidian, it's something they've always done in their games. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt Skyrim will have anything like this in it, I don't think Bethesda is interested in developing that kind of content. I'd be surprised if there's even a single full-time companion in TESV.

distinguetraces wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I always felt Bio sold out when they did KotOR. Although if I'm being honest, getting the D&D license was an even bigger sellout.

...?

And here I thought I was an old-timey Bioware fan boy. What were they doing before they had the D&D license?

Alan was joking, making the point that Bioware has never been much of a niche developer in the first place.

Modifié par dbankier, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:48 .

[Ju13es]

Addai67 wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I am very excited as I love Dragon Age, Oblivion and Mass Effect. I had heart palpitations when I discovered that all three would have sequels out this year.....I've already purchased by DA: 2 and will be purchasing the other 2. I'm very excited to see if Bethesda has made the changes to their AI so that their NPCs are more interactive. We already know that Bioware knows about interactive characters.

Fallout New Vegas was already a step forward in this area, with companion personal quests and more interaction.  I hope Skryim follows suit as long as they are optional.

Todd Howard did an interview recently and pointed out that RPG is moving even into action games.  So the big RPGs borrowing the best from each other, well I'm not happy about DA borrowing from ME but very happy that Bethesda seems to be borrowing that aspect from BioWare.

I'll also point out that the FNV companions had unique armors from their quests, but you could still change their kit out.  Win win. 

On what you said about companions for SKyrim, I read that it will have a sort of "Friendly unfriednly" mechanic with NPC's. So if you eat an apple from a "Friends" house they wont care, etc. Along with that, if you are good enough friends with an NPC you can get them to follow you and adventure with you if I am not mistaken.

[SithLordExarKun]

Morroian wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Im all out for the Witcher 2. Seriously DA isn't "dark" as bioware proclaimed it to be, the story felt rather light hearted compared to the setting in The Witcher. The Witchers setting, character and journey pretty much felt very dark and gritty, you were travelling alone, people you get close to die pretty much seperates itself different from DAO.

Why does dark automatically mean better? One of my complaints about ASOIAF for instance is that it is so dark without much humour to leaven the darkness that it leaves me as a reader feeling completely without hope which makes the series a slog. Compare it to the Malazan series which is my favourite fantasy series and there is far more gallows type humour there even though the situations are just as horrific as in ASOIAF.  

Where did i say "dark" = better? I just said how i felt the witcher is darker than DAO, thats all.

[Archmage Silvery]

Personally I'm getting DA II and Skyrim this year.

I plan to get Witcher 1&2  in a budget pack some time down the road, preferably in the 9.99 bargain bin price range.

[Poaches]

Certainly Skyrim has everything going for it as far as mods are concerned.



Will DA2 have mods?

[FyrusD]

 SO MANY GOOD GAMES

[Addai]

Ju13es wrote...

On what you said about companions for SKyrim, I read that it will have a sort of "Friendly unfriednly" mechanic with NPC's. So if you eat an apple from a "Friends" house they wont care, etc. Along with that, if you are good enough friends with an NPC you can get them to follow you and adventure with you if I am not mistaken.

There had better be a little more variety than the Adoring Fan.

[Ninotchka]

Addai67 wrote...

There had better be a little more variety than the Adoring Fan.

ROFL he was a bit of a Sandal wasn't he.... a dufus extrodinaire

Oblivion was such a lonely game...

[Thalorin1919]

I'll end up getting DA2 and Skyrim for sure. But I never can get myself to buy The Witcher and try it out. I guess the idea of playing as some white-haired tool doesn't really appeal to me, and I also don't have a great computer so playing it would probably not be to fun.



In end of the years awards and such though, I don't think DA2 will get much attention. I personally think it's gonna be a good game and all, and I'm excited for it. But it's not a franchise that has alot of hype and excitement around it like ME and The Elder Scrolls series, which I'm guessing will shadow over DA2 in awards and such. Which I don't mind, cause I'm sure ME3 will be fantastic, and I can't wait for Skyrim either after reading the new Gameinformer issue.



Ahh, 2011 is definitely going to be one of the best gaming years in awhile.

[PaulSX]

never enjoyed Bethesda-related games since morrowind. personally I think ME3 will beat these three titles in critic awards

[Malanek]

Hadn't even heard of skyrim until this thread. I played Morrowind and Oblivion, didn't finish either of them, got bored pretty quickly both times. For me RPGs are about gameplay and story. They didn't have either and I just don't like unfocused exploration so another game from them doesn't appeal at all. Looking forward to both DA2 and TW2.

[ref]

Am I the only one who did not care that much for The Witcher? I played through the game and was disappointed with it, mainly I didn't enjoy the combat that much. However, I must say The Witcher 2 looks fantastic. I'm sure they fixed and refined almost everything with it. Skyrim will probably be amazing as well. And well, Dragon Age 2... only time will tell, words can't express how much I loved the first one!

[Addai]

suntzuxi wrote...

never enjoyed Bethesda-related games since morrowind. personally I think ME3 will beat these three titles in critic awards

ME gets so much hype.  I guess it's because it can appeal to both the shooter and RPG crowd.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

never enjoyed Bethesda-related games since morrowind. personally I think ME3 will beat these three titles in critic awards

ME gets so much hype.  I guess it's because it can appeal to both the shooter and RPG crowd.

True, but I'd bet Skyrim gets hyped to high hell this fall. Even more so than ME3, considering its been several years since we've had an Elder Scrolls game while ME2 just came out last year.

[In Exile]

Addai67 wrote...
ME gets so much hype.  I guess it's because it can appeal to both the shooter and RPG crowd.

This isn't really neutral ground, though. If you look at it in terms of sales, Bestheda dramatically and outrageously outpaces Bioware.