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[Montana]

Personally I will get DA2 and TESV, maybe TW2 (didnt' like the first one).

One interesting thing about TESV is that we'll be able to get a sneak peek at the engine that will drive the next Fallout title aswell (speculation, but I'm pretty sure since that was what they did with TESIV and FO3).

Modifié par Tony77A, 24 janvier 2011 - 08:19 .

[stomp_down]

yay

[dzizass]

Honestly, I'm only gonna try out DA2 if it has good modding tools, since I've already seen enough to know it has bad graphics, clunky combat, lame DA-ish dialogues and NPCs and I know BioWare well enough to know they're again going to sell the same story they have been selling in every game since Baldur's Gate. Or make the story even worse, as DA has - worst BioWare attempt at story - ever. Sorry.



Then again, I'm probably going to buy ME3 - it's not really an RPG, but it was better looking, better written than DA and overall i found ME2 pretty good (despite a boring story and terrible resource mining...).



Skyrim - well... I hope that after seeing what Obsidian has done with New Vegas, Bethesda will learn and write an acceptable story, acceptable dialogues and throw-in some almost-interesting NPCs. I also hope they will change the terrible combat system cause in the previous games it was just flailing your weapons around. But they're Bethesda, so it's gonna be "FO3 without guns".



Honestly, TWitcher looks by far the most promising to me - good, perhaps best graphics, pretty mature setting (and the boob cards are finally gone...), good dialogues from what we've heard, most life-like and genuinely interesting NPCs. Combat system also seems to have potential. The only thing I dislike is the epic-ness of the sequel - it may appeal to some (or most) but I like the plot and setting to be more realistic. Well, we'll see.

[Zannana]

dzizass wrote...
 I know BioWare well enough to know they're again going to sell the same story they have been selling in every game since Baldur's Gate. Or make the story even worse, as DA has - worst BioWare attempt at story - ever. Sorry.

Seriously? Have we been playing the same games? I really want to know a game with a better story than DAO. Even Mass Effect, witch I love, I have to admit has a more straightforward story. DAO and the world presented is by far the most interesting and complex imo.

Modifié par Zannana, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:22 .

[HoonDing]

dzizass wrote...

Honestly, I'm only gonna try out DA2 if it has good modding tools, since I've already seen enough to know it has bad graphics, clunky combat, lame DA-ish dialogues and NPCs and I know BioWare well enough to know they're again going to sell the same story they have been selling in every game since Baldur's Gate. Or make the story even worse, as DA has - worst BioWare attempt at story - ever. Sorry.

Baldur's Gate is the only BioWare RPG (and to a lesser extent, Jade Empire) that hasn't a generic "become member of elite organization and save the world/universe" plot.

[Zannana]

virumor wrote...

dzizass wrote...

Honestly, I'm only gonna try out DA2 if it has good modding tools, since I've already seen enough to know it has bad graphics, clunky combat, lame DA-ish dialogues and NPCs and I know BioWare well enough to know they're again going to sell the same story they have been selling in every game since Baldur's Gate. Or make the story even worse, as DA has - worst BioWare attempt at story - ever. Sorry.

Baldur's Gate is the only BioWare RPG (and to a lesser extent, Jade Empire) that hasn't a generic "become member of elite organization and save the world/universe" plot.

I dont think that that is an accurate distilation of the story in DAO. Yes it may be the main plotline deep deep down, the basic idea perhaps but how it is delivered matters. The whole setting and the world and the lore matters. As a storyteller for many pen and paper RPGs and a player I must say that the "saviour of the world" plotline is hard to avoid when playing something epic. But the artistry of DAO in my opinion was that you felt a range of emotions as you played it. I love the tragic existence that ultimately the Gray Wardens lead.

Aside from DAO only Mass Effect 2, wich had the best start I have ever seen in a game. has managed to captivate me as much.

These are my personal views and experiences but  I think it is rude to so easily brush off a story that is more complex than you present it to be.

[AlexXIV]

Zannana wrote...

virumor wrote...

dzizass wrote...

Honestly, I'm only gonna try out DA2 if it has good modding tools, since I've already seen enough to know it has bad graphics, clunky combat, lame DA-ish dialogues and NPCs and I know BioWare well enough to know they're again going to sell the same story they have been selling in every game since Baldur's Gate. Or make the story even worse, as DA has - worst BioWare attempt at story - ever. Sorry.

Baldur's Gate is the only BioWare RPG (and to a lesser extent, Jade Empire) that hasn't a generic "become member of elite organization and save the world/universe" plot.

I dont think that that is an accurate distilation of the story in DAO. Yes it may be the main plotline deep deep down, the basic idea perhaps but how it is delivered matters. The whole setting and the world and the lore matters. As a storyteller for many pen and paper RPGs and a player I must say that the "saviour of the world" plotline is hard to avoid when playing something epic. But the artistry of DAO in my opinion was that you felt a range of emotions as you played it. I love the tragic existence that ultimately the Gray Wardens lead.

Aside from DAO only Mass Effect 2, wich had the best start I have ever seen in a game. has managed to captivate me as much.

These are my personal views and experiences but  I think it is rude to so easily brush off a story that is more complex than you present it to be.

Well he has a point though. While DA:O was 'become member of an elite organisation and save the world', Jade Empire and BG were more like 'be member of an elite organisation already (Spirit Monk/Bhaalspawn) and save the world.'

Modifié par AlexXIV, 24 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[Dudalizer]

TBH as much as I am looking foward to DA2, I am looking foward to TW2 even more. CDProjekt has gone all out with its developement and it is shaping up to be the best RPG in recent memory.

[Count Viceroy]

Dudalizer wrote...

TBH as much as I am looking foward to DA2, I am looking foward to TW2 even more. CDProjekt has gone all out with its developement and it is shaping up to be the best RPG in recent memory.

You have an amazing gift to be able to judge that based on promotional gameplay alone.

[upsettingshorts]

Dudalizer wrote...

TBH as much as I am looking foward to DA2, I am looking foward to TW2 even more. CDProjekt has gone all out with its developement and it is shaping up to be the best RPG in recent memory.

Bioware on the other hand is obviously holding back.

[Emyer]

Graphics and art style are in The Witcher's hand,  no doubt about it, just look at some of the trailers on youtube(preferably the ones that aren't shaky cams X) ) or see the videos/gallery on the main site tw2.thewitcher.com/#gallery/2_1, next up would be Skyrim and then DA2, to me it seems to be the weakest one in terms of graphics, though I admit we haven't seen that much I doubt they'll make a HUGE improvement over what we did see, that and graphics are the "packaging", the feature I'm most lenient on.

Story and characters is up for grabs, unlike graphics it's one of those things that really can't be judged until you play and experience the game, I hope all three will be good :3

Gameplay is also impossible to compare directly, The Witcher, from what I've seen will play a bit like Batman:AA with a bit more combat choices(Lethal/Non-lethal, magic, traps, etc...), Dragon Age 2 will play like a faster paced, more stylized  DAO and Skyrim seems like it will play a bit like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, but not enough info to say at the moment.

Personally the one I'm most hyped for is The Witcher 2, they kept all the good and improved all the bad from The Witcher 1, those who are quick to judge should take a look at TW2's dev diaries and trailers.

www.youtube.com/watch

This small trailer sealed the deal for me, the different way you can approach situations and different outcomes you meet is really appealing for me, most of it is actually gameplay, for those that might have doubts there is a camcord of someone playing that scene at E3
Beware of ******

Modifié par Emyer, 24 janvier 2011 - 01:38 .

[Krytheos]

Dudalizer wrote...

TBH as much as I am looking foward to DA2, I am looking foward to TW2 even more. CDProjekt has gone all out with its developement and it is shaping up to be the best RPG in recent memory.

Either you have an amazing ability, as Count Viceroy said, to predict this on promotional gameplay alone, or you're pulling stuff out of your arse.

Will TW2 be good? Possibly. Possibly not. The same can be said for all titles this year, whether they will be good or not remains to be seen. The factor here mostly does with trust, and based on that I can infer that, my opinion is: 

The Witcher 2 will probably be decent, but immature, conferred by the predecessor's own immaturity. Sorry, but the 'dark' feel of a game gets thrown out the window if you're immature about it, and TW1 was. TW2 remains to be seen as a mature, dark experience.


Dragon Age 2 will be fairly good, mostly because the developer behind it is a developer I trust with quality content and experience. It might not be as good as say, Skyrim, but to be honest, I don't care. As long as a developer makes a quality game, it should be good.

Skyrim, in my opinion will outshine both DA2 and TW2, but is that a bad thing? Nope. Why? Because most of them will be quality titles [hopefully] that we all get to enjoy.

If I was pressed, my choice for best RPG in recent memory goes to Skyrim. Undoubtedly.

[_Aine_]

Emyer wrote...

Personally the one I'm most hyped for is The Witcher 2, they kept all the good and improved all the bad from The Witcher 1, those who are quick to judge should take a look at TW2's dev diaries and trailers.

www.youtube.com/watch

This small trailer sealed the deal for me, the different way you can approach situations and different outcomes you meet is really appealing for me, most of it is actually gameplay, for those that might have doubts there is a camcord of someone playing that scene at E3
Beware of ******

I loved the way they worked the female bits into the story with Triss interrupting though, good naturedly to the drunk guys version.  Made me laugh, (very true to life response, or maybe I just associate with Triss lol ) and then correcting the story.  Too funny.  

I *can* say that TW2's advertising, promos and almost *anything* I see them release for their game have been almost flawless and completely polished.   The combat animations are fluid and interesting too.  Little details like when Geralt is caught and held off the floor he beats on their backs with his fists.  I like details as well as the fluidity of the whole for games in general. Will be interesting to see it when it is out.    Made me pull out my enhanced version to try again.    Its been a weird few weeks cycling between TW, ME2 and DA:O   I am looking forward to ALL their sequels honestly.   The character video from TW is what sold me on that particular game actually (as well as the video you linked above).  The details right down to how they conceived Iorveth's outfit to the reasons behind the wardrobe choices for Geralt.  Very interesting.   I love character building stuff. LOVE LOVE. 

Modifié par shantisands, 24 janvier 2011 - 02:38 .

[Emyer]

Krytheos wrote...

Dudalizer wrote...

TBH as much as I am looking foward to DA2, I am looking foward to TW2 even more. CDProjekt has gone all out with its developement and it is shaping up to be the best RPG in recent memory.

Either you have an amazing ability, as Count Viceroy said, to predict this on promotional gameplay alone, or you're pulling stuff out of your arse.

Will TW2 be good? Possibly. Possibly not. The same can be said for all titles this year, whether they will be good or not remains to be seen. The factor here mostly does with trust, and based on that I can infer that, my opinion is: 

The Witcher 2 will probably be decent, but immature, conferred by the predecessor's own immaturity. Sorry, but the 'dark' feel of a game gets thrown out the window if you're immature about it, and TW1 was. TW2 remains to be seen as a mature, dark experience.

I still don't get why people claim TW to be immature, is it solely because of the sex cards ? You know the ones you can spend the whole game without seeing and most times you actually have to go out of your way to "get" them ? It just reminds me of the ME media polemic, basing all opinions of the game on solely a small fraction of the content, TW handled politic conflicts, racism and corruption pretty well, amongst other issues, it also did amazing in transmiting the feeling of a plague and conflict torn village, the whole setting was gloomy and dark but not overly so, it actually felt "realistic" at times, seeing all that TW did well get bundled by calling the game "immature" because of the sex cards and some ill advised moments is just jarring.


Anywho, TW2 will not have dem sex cards and the devs have stated they intend to make the relationships more cinematic and intimate.


/vent

shantisands wrote...

Emyer wrote...

Personally
the one I'm most hyped for is The Witcher 2, they kept all the good and
improved all the bad from The Witcher 1, those who are quick to judge
should take a look at TW2's dev diaries and trailers.

www.youtube.com/watch

This
small trailer sealed the deal for me, the different way you can
approach situations and different outcomes you meet is really appealing
for me, most of it is actually gameplay, for those that might have
doubts there is a camcord of someone playing that scene at E3
Beware of ****** [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

I
loved the way they worked the female bits into the story with Triss
interrupting though, good naturedly to the drunk guys version.  Made me
laugh, (very true to life response, or maybe I just associate with Triss
lol ) and then correcting the story.  Too funny.  

I *can* say
that TW2's advertising, promos and almost *anything* I see them release
for their game have been almost flawless and completely polished.   The
combat animations are fluid and interesting too.  Little details like
when Geralt is caught and held off the floor he beats on their backs
with his fists.  I like details as well as the fluidity of the whole for
games in general. Will be interesting to see it when it is out.    Made
me pull out my enhanced version to try again.    Its been a weird few
weeks cycling between TW, ME2 and DA:O   I am looking forward to ALL
their sequels honestly.   The character video from TW is what sold me
on that particular game actually (as well as the video you linked
above).  The details right down to how they conceived Iorveth's outfit
to the reasons behind the wardrobe choices for Geralt.  Very
interesting.   I love character building stuff. LOVE LOVE. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

It was pretty funny, especially the last bit with the guard trying to cast Aard on the torch to put it out like Geralt XD

Besides, the boobs really aren't there for fanservice or anything like that, it's just a realistic depiction of how anybody would get tortured(Geralt is also shirtless and his back is a bloody mess at the beginning), they don't even get any focus at all.


Everything I've seen from TW2 makes me think it's shaping up to be a very decent game, I don't know if it'll be better than DA2 and I really don't care, it just looks awesome at this point.


A small point I'd like to make to those that watch that is that that trailer is solely to show all the different options you have to break out of prison, it's not a framed narrative format like DA2 uses... well it kinda is in the trailer but the actual game isn't, just to clear it up for anyone that watches it with no info on the game

Modifié par Emyer, 24 janvier 2011 - 02:52 .

[Nozybidaj]

packardbell wrote...

Critic reviews don't mean sqaut. Many users agree that Oblivion is overrated trash compared to the brillance that is Morrowind. But we're going a bit off-topic here now.

The 94/100 Metacritic score isn't proof?  Isn't metacritic the score people use to "prove" how great ME2 was?

[Krytheos]

Emyer wrote...

Krytheos wrote...

Dudalizer wrote...

TBH as much as I am looking foward to DA2, I am looking foward to TW2 even more. CDProjekt has gone all out with its developement and it is shaping up to be the best RPG in recent memory.

Either you have an amazing ability, as Count Viceroy said, to predict this on promotional gameplay alone, or you're pulling stuff out of your arse.

Will TW2 be good? Possibly. Possibly not. The same can be said for all titles this year, whether they will be good or not remains to be seen. The factor here mostly does with trust, and based on that I can infer that, my opinion is: 

The Witcher 2 will probably be decent, but immature, conferred by the predecessor's own immaturity. Sorry, but the 'dark' feel of a game gets thrown out the window if you're immature about it, and TW1 was. TW2 remains to be seen as a mature, dark experience.

I still don't get why people claim TW to be immature, is it solely because of the sex cards ? You know the ones you can spend the whole game without seeing and most times you actually have to go out of your way to "get" them ? It just reminds me of the ME media polemic, basing all opinions of the game on solely a small fraction of the content, TW handled politic conflicts, racism and corruption pretty well, amongst other issues, it also did amazing in transmiting the feeling of a plague and conflict torn village, the whole setting was gloomy and dark but not overly so, it actually felt "realistic" at times, seeing all that TW did well get bundled by calling the game "immature" because of the sex cards and some ill advised moments is just jarring.


Anywho, TW2 will not have dem sex cards and the devs have stated they intend to make the relationships more cinematic and intimate.


/vent

I do have to disagree here; the things that TW did well seemed to be story and atmosphere. Consequences, from what I've read, are basically just small ancedotes of what Geralt has done to affect the world, instead of having a real, realistic impact on the world at large. Combat was largly an unpolished, abhorrent mess that I really couldn't see myself sloshing through to get to the good bits. The ill advised moments and the sex cards are very immature, enough to throw all pretenses of a 'dark world' out the window pretty quickly. I mean, I can stand immaturity to a degree, if it has a point, but it really had no place in TW1, and there wasn't a point to it at all, which really made it stand out as more an immature attempt at being 'dark and edgy' than any sort of truly mature experience.

The problem isn't that they're out of the way; it's that they're there at -all.- As for what the devs have said, it remains to be seen if it will be what happens. What I want to see is consequences and choices that have a place, and matter in the story, develop a relationship or character more, and not just serve to be there for varieties sake.

[Giantdeathrobot]

 TW is not just immature for the sex imo (even is this is a big part of it); Geralt is just not a sympathetic protagonist to me, too much cliché tough guy lines and a voice actor that sounds like he never stopped smoking since he was 12. The universe also tries to put modern genetics into a medieval setting to be special or something and ends up completely destroying my suspesion of disbelief. And please do not tell me the sexual stuff is optional when almost every woman displays massive amounts of cleavage, when they are not completely naked with boobs merrily bounced about that is. It's just impossible for to take the game seriously after that.

It's a shame, really, because the choice and consequence is one of the best in recent memory, along with Alpha Protocol and New Vegas, but for me the above stuff is just too much.

[Emyer]

Krytheos wrote...
-snip-

Story and atmosphere are exactly what I mentioned >_>

TW handled politic conflicts, racism and corruption pretty well,
amongst other issues, it also did amazing in transmiting the feeling of a
plague and conflict torn village, the whole setting was gloomy and dark
but not overly so, it actually felt "realistic" at times

This is story and atmosphere

You say from what you read, have you actually played the game ? You should know that decisions you make do matter, they can range from as small as getting a single person killed or as big as supplying a small army of rebels with armor and weapons, not to mention the last big choices that have a pretty big effect and lead you to one of the 3 endings.

As for the combat, I thought it was fine, it tried to break the typical "boringness" of a point and click game by adding combos and interactive movement/dodging it did have it's problems but I would hardly call it an abhorrent mess.

The sex cards, again(Sex really ends up commanding most arguments innit XD), did not break the feel of the "dark and gritty" world for me, people have sex all the time in the real world(And have you read the original books? They treat sex almost the same way), Geralt is immune to diseases, infertile, has superhuman abilities and due to his job as a witcher he never stays in one place for long, making him the perfect tryst for a woman(This is actually mentioned, IIRC), besides  a 5 sec flash of a sex card will not break the "reality" that one of the town guards and his friends raped a girl and drove her to suicide, I really consider it a non issue in the end, but to each his own I guess

[Addai]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

 TW is not just immature for the sex imo (even is this is a big part of it); Geralt is just not a sympathetic protagonist to me, too much cliché tough guy lines and a voice actor that sounds like he never stopped smoking since he was 12. The universe also tries to put modern genetics into a medieval setting to be special or something and ends up completely destroying my suspesion of disbelief. And please do not tell me the sexual stuff is optional when almost every woman displays massive amounts of cleavage, when they are not completely naked with boobs merrily bounced about that is. It's just impossible for to take the game seriously after that.

It's a shame, really, because the choice and consequence is one of the best in recent memory, along with Alpha Protocol and New Vegas, but for me the above stuff is just too much.

I agree that the treatment of women was less than mature and DA does this much better.  The science stuff reminded me of the early horror like Frankenstein where you see a clash of the old ways with technology.  Seems to be a major theme in The Witcher- there is the classic line where Geralt corrects someone to say that both of his swords are for monsters- the old monsters are being replaced more and more by monstrous things with a human face.

[Seb Hanlon]

Okay, I think this has strayed far enough from relevance. If you want to chat about Skyrim and The Witcher, let's take it to Off Topic.



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