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[errant_knight]

Maconbar wrote...

The Tower mages know how to make a potion that confers immunity; maybe this knowledge is more widespread.

They do? When was this mentioned?

[Addai]

The article is not pitting the games against each other, just talking about relative merits. I doubt anyone thinks that just because you play one of them, you're not going to play the other. In the end they point out that they each have different strengths. The article does lump TW2 and DA2 together as both having a fixed character, which I think is a bit unfair given that Geralt is far more a fixed character than Hawke.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

The Tower mages know how to make a potion that confers immunity; maybe this knowledge is more widespread.

They do? When was this mentioned?

The Calling

[Mike Laidlaw]

marshalleck wrote...

For awards, since that's Bioware's big thing now. Every time someone makes a critical comment about ME2, some Bioware rep pops into the thread, puts his fingers in his ears and goes "la la la, I can't hear you, look at all these GOTY awards..."

I don't think that's really fair. We always listen to constructive criticism, but we have to listen to that criticism in context. If someone tells us that Mass Effect 2 was a huge failure and made terrible design decisions, we have to acknowledge that not everyone agrees with that sentiment. Perhaps they were terrible design decisions for that one person's preferences, but not everyone.

It's like walking up to an olympic gold medalist and yelling "YOU SUCK!" because you don't like their hair color. "I think you would look better as a blonde, but I recognize that you are a very fast swimmer!" would be a more reasonable sentiment. Put another way, it's the difference between saying "I don't like the Beatles" (which is reasonable) and "The Beatles sucked" (which is not reasonable, as they had a huge impact on music).

[Mike Laidlaw]

Oh, and just so we're all on the same page, I think that a year containing 3 fantasy RPGs, nicely spread out so you have time to savor all of them is fantastic. As you might expect, fantasy roleplaying is a favorite of mine, so everytime a game comes out in that genre I get a little giddy.

And frankly, I don't think there are enough examples of the genre for us fans to need to "pick sides."

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

More like...

Dragon Age 2 vs The Witcher 2 vs Skyrim vs Mass Effect 2 (PS3) vs Mass Effect 3 vs Deus Ex

[Junri]

I'm buying them all :X

[nightcobra]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Oh, and just so we're all on the same page, I think that a year containing 3 fantasy RPGs, nicely spread out so you have time to savor all of them is fantastic. As you might expect, fantasy roleplaying is a favorite of mine, so everytime a game comes out in that genre I get a little giddy.

And frankly, I don't think there are enough examples of the genre for us fans to need to "pick sides."

thank god for that, i've been waiting for the rpg genre to appear more this generation and thankfully we're starting to see an influx of these this year.

[tmp7704]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

It's like walking up to an olympic gold medalist and yelling "YOU SUCK!" because you don't like their hair color.

Wouldn't it rather be like telling "your music sucks" to Lady Gaga? Since the olympics are settled mostly based on objective factors like time or distance that cannot be argued with, while game/music/whatever awards are pretty much all down to individual preferences.

[AlanC9]

marshalleck wrote...

For awards, since that's Bioware's big thing now. Every time someone makes a critical comment about ME2, some Bioware rep pops into the thread, puts his fingers in his ears and goes "la la la, I can't hear you, look at all these GOTY awards..."

I though the charge was that the devs don't pop by the ME boards at all. I just can't keep up with what they're supposed to be doing wrong anymore.

[Saibh]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

I don't think that's really fair. We always listen to constructive criticism, but we have to listen to that criticism in context. If someone tells us that Mass Effect 2 was a huge failure and made terrible design decisions, we have to acknowledge that not everyone agrees with that sentiment. Perhaps they were terrible design decisions for that one person's preferences, but not everyone.

It's like walking up to an olympic gold medalist and yelling "YOU SUCK!" because you don't like their hair color. "I think you would look better as a blonde, but I recognize that you are a very fast swimmer!" would be a more reasonable sentiment. Put another way, it's the difference between saying "I don't like the Beatles" (which is reasonable) and "The Beatles sucked" (which is not reasonable, as they had a huge impact on music).

Eh...those aren't very good analogies. Whether Beatles are good or not is subjective. Just because many people agree with an opinion doesn't make it fact. Certain things, like they were very successful, many people liked them, and they heavily influenced music are fact. But that has little to do with how you feel about the quality of the music.

Not only that, but most criticisms directed at ME are directed at the quality of the game, not something irrelevant, like "this game sucks because I don't like Shepard's face". An Olympic gold medalist analogy doesn't work anway, because their prowess has nothing to do with how you feel about them. It's cold, hard numbers. Any entertainment medium, however, is subject to opinion.

That said, I'm a big fan of ME2, generally disagree on every point raised by people who disliked it, and eagerly await ME3. I also see the point in bringing up the GOTY issue--you, as an individual, did not like the game, but the great majority did, and because BioWare cannot possible cater to every opinion, majority rules.

[atheelogos]

Junri wrote...

I'm buying them all :X

this person has the right idea.

[AlanC9]

tmp7704 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

It's like walking up to an olympic gold medalist and yelling "YOU SUCK!" because you don't like their hair color.

Wouldn't it rather be like telling "your music sucks" to Lady Gaga? Since the olympics are settled mostly based on objective factors like time or distance that cannot be argued with, while game/music/whatever awards are pretty much all down to individual preferences.

I'm not quite sure Lady Gaga is really about music per se -- she's selling more of a total entertainment experience. Same thing with Ke$ha. How about, say, Taylor Swift or Katy Perry?

Edit: though come to think of it, back in the day the Beatles were more than just music too.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 janvier 2011 - 06:52 .

[magicwins]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Oh, and just so we're all on the same page, I think that a year containing 3 fantasy RPGs, nicely spread out so you have time to savor all of them is fantastic. As you might expect, fantasy roleplaying is a favorite of mine, so everytime a game comes out in that genre I get a little giddy.

And frankly, I don't think there are enough examples of the genre for us fans to need to "pick sides."

You DO realize this is why we nitpick and rave and rant and spend waay too much time on these boards? Dragon Age gives us a fantasy fix that just doesn't exist anywhere else anymore. TW2 is a European RPG, and you need different tastes to appreciate it. And TES is open-world, it provides a different sort of fix.

Your game/universe is the only one of its type. You'd better do a damn good job with this next game or I'm going to shed some very unmanly tears.

[_Aine_]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Oh, and just so we're all on the same page, I think that a year containing 3 fantasy RPGs, nicely spread out so you have time to savor all of them is fantastic. As you might expect, fantasy roleplaying is a favorite of mine, so everytime a game comes out in that genre I get a little giddy.

And frankly, I don't think there are enough examples of the genre for us fans to need to "pick sides."

Agreed 100%.  

I, though not my pocketbook so much, am LOVING this coming year.  Every game-loving cell in my body is positively giddy.  Even did my part and got my husband playing some so I can.      I am getting probably ALL of the major RPG's coming out this year and each one calls to me for different reasons.  Out of the ones in the OPs title though, I havent heard much about Skyrim, though, I will probably get it anyway.  I loved modding Morrowind back in the day.   Often think to go back and try it again...but don't want to ruin the memory. lol 

I am looking forward to trying the new combat style and as ever wonderful story-telling from Dragon Age 2.  Usually can't beat Bioware for a engaging characters and fantastic story-telling. What other company can make you actually WANT to have an alien for a LI ?     For Witcher 2 I think the understated close/melee combat animations are simply FANTASTIC,  not a lot of flash (besides blood) but solid animations. Looks great.  Plus Iorveth, come on, what is not to love.!    Even the way the characters are designed look quality.  Great promo videos out from them for that game, including the character development video with voice over.  

For me, it is about playing good games. The more that make great games the better.  Quality all around evolves the genre and will create even more great games for us in the future.  Yes, I am selfish like that.    

But, there is a TED talk about how video games could change the world.  It is interesting, if you like that sort of thing.  

[tmp7704]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm not quite sure Lady Gaga is really about music per se -- she's selling more of a total entertainment experience. Same thing with Ke$ha. How about, say, Taylor Swift or Katy Perry?

I'm totally out of touch with the music scene; Lady Gaga is the only really large "thing" when it comes to it that i'm vaguely aware of

[AlanC9]

Consider yourself fortunate, tmp7704.

[Haristo]

I'll take all three of them Plus Mass Effect 3. thanks. I can't tolerate to don't buy one of those USRPG. I missed the first Witcher long enough.

BioWare is a Great Studio. I bought almost everything they made recently (From KOTOR to DA2. yep, the game is paid and i'm waiting shipping). I'm somewhat missing Baldur'S Gate 1 & 2, I tryed 'em. But I never found any box containing them at Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy or other. But there is some more studios outside that make awesome games. Example Demon'S Souls on Playstation 3, and Fallout New Vegas.

USRPG rarely make some boring one (Alpha Protocol). But it's really not like the ****** genre. The good games of this genre don't leave japan (The Last Story ! F*CK YOU NINTENDO  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and the boring ones does (FFXIII).

Modifié par Haristo, 22 janvier 2011 - 07:10 .

[The Night Haunter]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Oh, and just so we're all on the same page, I think that a year containing 3 fantasy RPGs, nicely spread out so you have time to savor all of them is fantastic. As you might expect, fantasy roleplaying is a favorite of mine, so everytime a game comes out in that genre I get a little giddy.

And frankly, I don't think there are enough examples of the genre for us fans to need to "pick sides."

This is sadly true. We needs many more rpgs!!!!! I'm gona personally play all of them, Skyrim, Witcher, Deus Ex, and of course Dragon Age 2!!!!!!!!!

[slimgrin]

Ah well, the article is more about hyping all three games really. I'll most likely be getting all three. But I still believe that the amount of time between sequels serves to heighten anticipation. Oblivion came out way back in 2006, an eternity in video game years. The hype for Skyrim will be huge.

And I know Diablo wasn't in the article, but Blizzard has WoW, and if they can lure their vast fanbase over to D3, which I don't think will be too hard, they'll sell a ridiculous number of copies, especially since it will have online multiplayer.

As far as awards go, I put little stock in them, hence my statement that there is a hierarchy of sorts that the media tends to propagate.

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 janvier 2011 - 07:04 .

[Addai]

Junri wrote...

I'm buying them all :X

Between this and getting HBO for A Game of Thrones, it's gonna be a tough year on the ol' entertainment budget.    So much nerdy goodness.

[AlanC9]

Haristo wrote...
. I'm somewhat missing Baldur'S Gate 1 & 2, I tryed 'em. But I never found any box containing them at Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy or other.

You didn't try Amazon? Edit: you can't really expect backlist stuff to get onto shelves. It's great when it does, but it's unlikely.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 janvier 2011 - 07:07 .

[Addai]

Haristo wrote...
I'm somewhat missing Baldur'S Gate 1 & 2, I tryed 'em. But I never found any box containing them at Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy or other.

Not a box, but you can get them on download from GoG.com.

[Ravenfeeder]

AlanC9 wrote...

Haristo wrote...
. I'm somewhat missing Baldur'S Gate 1 & 2, I tryed 'em. But I never found any box containing them at Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy or other.

You didn't try Amazon?

Or available as a cheap download from gog.com

[Haristo]

Addai67 wrote...

Haristo wrote...
I'm somewhat missing Baldur'S Gate 1 & 2, I tryed 'em. But I never found any box containing them at Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy or other.

Not a box, but you can get them on download from GoG.com.

I Obviously prefer boxed editions. when there is some huge sales on Digital content I buy digitalized. But I really prefer to take everything boxed, you know, to proudly put it on my Library with the rest of them.