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[MyKingdomCold]

just wondering

at the beginning of the game, Jacob tells you that you're on a Cerberus facility.  Would Shepard know this if Jacob didn't tell him?  I don't recall from ME1 but did the Cerberus outposts you investigated have the Cerberus logo in their buildings?  Also, the quarians on Freedom's Progress knew you were with Cerberus from the uniforms and it seems like Garrus knew this as well.

so I guess my question is was this the first time Shepard had seen the Cerberus logo in the research station and on Jacob and Wilson's uniforms?

[StarcloudSWG]

The Cord-Hislop Corporation logo is not exactly "common knowledge" to be a Cerberus front. If I recall correctly, the logo is not used in Mass Effect on the Cerberus side missions.

A few people know; Anyone who deals in trading information would know. Some of the criminal underworld would know. Someone like Aria would know. But the point of having a corporate front is to hide their involvement. Cord-Hislop is, so far as the majority of the known galaxy is concerned, just another human multi-planetary corporation.

[MyKingdomCold]

But it just seems kind of odd that the quarians with Tali knew you were with Cerberus just by looking at Jacob and Miranda's uniforms.

[Cutlass Jack]

Apparently Shepard is the only person in the universe who does not recognize the Cerberus logo on sight. Everywhere you go people know its Cerberus. No one ever says Cord-Hilsop.



Even Ashley/Kaidan recognize Cerberus on sight. Even if you didn't bring a Cerberus member with you.

[RolandX9]

I'll note that Shepard's been dead for two years, and we don't see the logo in 1. It's entirely possible, knowing TIM, that he had the logo commissioned, then made it infamous, in the intervening two years so that when he got Shepard to work for/with him, the whole galaxy would know that the Hero of the Citadel was wearing the Cerberus symbol -- or, if you put on one of the outfits that doesn't have it, he could at least mark the Normandy 2 in a way no one could miss.

Personally, I'm looking forward to giving the old girl a fresh coat of paint in 3. *G*

[Sajuro]

RolandX9 wrote...

I'll note that Shepard's been dead for two years, and we don't see the logo in 1. It's entirely possible, knowing TIM, that he had the logo commissioned, then made it infamous, in the intervening two years so that when he got Shepard to work for/with him, the whole galaxy would know that the Hero of the Citadel was wearing the Cerberus symbol -- or, if you put on one of the outfits that doesn't have it, he could at least mark the Normandy 2 in a way no one could miss.
Personally, I'm looking forward to giving the old girl a fresh coat of paint in 3. *G*

So it isn't a secrecy fail but a marketing campaign?

[lazuli]

The Cerberus bases in ME1 are just the same old recycled interiors, so you won't see the logo in there.

[Vaenier]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Apparently Shepard is the only person in the universe who does not recognize the Cerberus logo on sight. Everywhere you go people know its Cerberus. No one ever says Cord-Hilsop.

Even Ashley/Kaidan recognize Cerberus on sight. Even if you didn't bring a Cerberus member with you.

They are telepathic. You can wear regular armor without a logo, and bring Garrus and grunt/mordin and they will still automatically confirm that you are infact with cerberus.

Logic? When has that ever applied to Mass Effect...

[In Exile]

I'm pretty sure that Ceberus just labels everything as "TOP SECRET: Ceberus Operation in Progress - Tell your friends! " and given the powers of deduction we've seen Shepard wield... signs point to no.

[mineralica]

As I recall, there isn't any insignias in base at "Dead Scientists" quest, but there are cylindric metallic buildings nearby Shepard can't enter that had insignias.

About VS recognising Shepard and his work for Cerberus even when Shepard is in Terminus armour and Mordin and Grunt with him... good question, how it was done

[Sajuro]

mineralica wrote...

As I recall, there isn't any insignias in base at "Dead Scientists" quest, but there are cylindric metallic buildings nearby Shepard can't enter that had insignias.
About VS recognising Shepard and his work for Cerberus even when Shepard is in Terminus armour and Mordin and Grunt with him... good question, how it was done

They pole vaulted to that conclusion.
or insane troll logic

[Bullets McDeath]

Vaenier wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Apparently Shepard is the only person in the universe who does not recognize the Cerberus logo on sight. Everywhere you go people know its Cerberus. No one ever says Cord-Hilsop.

Even Ashley/Kaidan recognize Cerberus on sight. Even if you didn't bring a Cerberus member with you.

They are telepathic. You can wear regular armor without a logo, and bring Garrus and grunt/mordin and they will still automatically confirm that you are infact with cerberus.

Logic? When has that ever applied to Mass Effect...

Or it could be beause of the "carefully disguised rumours" the Illusive Man released about Shepard being alive and working with Cerberus, which he mentions directly after the Horizon mission. There are alot of "plot holes" talked about on this site that are actually just people being dense to the exposition.

[Encarmine]

haha yeah goodd point, your stood there with two aliens...

'so.. your with cerberus now?' - VS

'erm no, im stood here with a Salarian STG and a tank Bred Krogan'- You

'I will never work for cerberus!' -VS

'ffs'- You

[Cutlass Jack]

outlaworacle wrote...

Or it could be beause of the "carefully disguised rumours" the Illusive Man released about Shepard being alive and working with Cerberus, which he mentions directly after the Horizon mission. There are alot of "plot holes" talked about on this site that are actually just people being dense to the exposition.

Except for the 'Aha! It is true!' reaction of them (without even asking you). Looking at you saving the planet with your alien companions told them all they needed to know about your racist allegiances.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well there's also the giant Cerberus logo on your 4-trillion credit ship you sure as **** didn't finance your damn self, LOL.

[Ryzaki]

...I thought they said it was true because Shepard's dumb ass confirmed it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 janvier 2011 - 02:41 .

[V-rex]

I could figure out I was in a Cerberus facility at about the point where everything was going to hell and there was a trail of innocent dead being left behind.

Seriously by this point it's not even surprising anymore.



As for Ashley/Kaiden figuring out Shepard was working with Cerberus. Well remember they HAD been getting reports saying that Shepard was alive and working with Cerberus, as well as intel that suggested Cerberus was behind the missing colonies.

So they already, well not 'knew' but were certainly entertaining the notion. It was when Shepard mentions that he was dead for two years and Cerberus rebuilt him, that was kind of the giveaway.

[Omnicrat]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I thought they said it was true because Shepard's dumb ass confirmed it.

Me too.  The VS is happy to see you untill you mention Cerberus/

[marshalleck]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

But it just seems kind of odd that the quarians with Tali knew you were with Cerberus just by looking at Jacob and Miranda's uniforms.

That's not odd at all. A unit of Cerberus commandos boarded and attacked the quarian fleet with the assistance of a banished quarian in the second Mass Effect book. That sort of thing isn't a daily occurrence on the flotilla, so it makes perfect sense that it would generate quite a buzz amongst the quarians, especially their marines and special ops teams. They would certainly know how to identify Cerberus personnel and/or ship registries and whatnot.

[MyKingdomCold]

I was just commenting on the idea that it isn't common knowledge that the Cord-Hislop Corporation logo is a Cerberus front.



So I guess the commandos were dressed as Cord-Hislop Corporation members not Cerberus? I'm not really sure. Plus, judging by Tali's reaction she hasn't heard of Shepard's return.

[adam_grif]

I'm not sure why Cerberus operatives would roll around wearing any distinctive logos or insignias at all, of course

[marshalleck]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I was just commenting on the idea that it isn't common knowledge that the Cord-Hislop Corporation logo is a Cerberus front.

So I guess the commandos were dressed as Cord-Hislop Corporation members not Cerberus? I'm not really sure. Plus, judging by Tali's reaction she hasn't heard of Shepard's return.

The shuttles used by Cerberus to board the flotilla had to have been broadcasting some registry information. If they had been completely unregistered, I think that would have appeared enormously suspicious. I don't remember exactly what shuttles they used, though. One of them, either the Cerberus ops' or the one Kahlee, the kid, and the Ascension program security officer arrived on was Grayson's private executive yacht and it would have been registered to Cord-Hislop. 

It's possible that the Cerberus shuttle is registered under Cord-Hislop as well. So if the quarians did a little bit of digging after the attack on the flotilla, or simply put two and two together and realized Cord-Hislop is a front for Cerberus, then once the Cerberus shuttle appeared in orbit above Freedom's Progress they should know immediately that any armed humans who suddenly show up in deserted colony are quite likely Cerberus operatives. 

One ought to understand Tali's surprise when Shepard--whom she believed to be dead--shows up with a pair of Cerberus goons in tow. Shepard back from the dead and working with Cerberus?  Quite a WTF moment. Not really a stretch of the imagination. 

(edited for a few chronological errors)

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 janvier 2011 - 05:56 .

[MyKingdomCold]

Sorry to bring this topic back up, but I've started another playthrough and noticed some things.



For example, the Cord-Hislop Corporation logo



At the end of Jack's recruitment mission where she sees the Normandy, she's upset because of the Cerberus logo or is it the Cord-Hislop logo? And on Pragia where she was experimented on, it also has the Cord-Hislop logo on its walls even though it's supposed to be a secret Cerberus facility.



Now, I've never read the books or anything so I'm not sure if the Cord-Hislop corporation is supposed to be a front for Cerberus and it's not common knowledge that it's a front for Cerberus.



But judging by the game, it looks like that logo is a Cerberus logo and not the Cord-Hislop logo. So I guess they did this just to be consistent? What I mean is I don't think they mention Cord-Hislop in the game, so they just want the logo to be associated with Cerberus in the game.

[008Zulu]

Don't the journals you listen to in the tutorial mission say it's a Cerberus facility, or give indications its a Cerberus facility? Granted Shepard isn't the shiniest coin in the fountain, but s/he would have been able to piece things together. Given ample time ofcourse.