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[Lunatic LK47]

- Definitely calling out TIM on Akuze.

- Where's that favor the Shadow Broker owed us for giving him the data on Cerberus?

- If you didn't do the Geth Incursion side missions, the galaxy would have been through hell.

- Was actually submitting to Lord Darius worth the risk (I'm actually pissed that became unused content)?

[Lunatic LK47]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

In regards to 'what I wanted', I suppose most of them should be considered in the context of ME1 carryovers.

First and foremost, I really wanted the side-mission carryover references to work: the hidden files show they were intended to, but it was sad that they didn't.

In general, I wanted more 'enivronmental consequences', good and bad, for both sides.



I wanted, was expecting, the Batarian Rebellions referred to by Balak to matter. We get a few side missions, but nothing else. Balak being let go should have meant something: another attack here, a minor atrocity there, nothing necessarily on the scale of Terra Nova, but he raised a plot point and it should have carried over here.


In the carry-over from Feros, I was actually hoping for the researcher's daughter, Elizabeth, to make an appearance. She would have been a good counterpoint to Shiala, and for similar reasons ('I made a mistake to them, I should fix it'), and even could also apply to some hero-admiration towards Shepard.


From Noveria, seeing Lorik Quin again would have been great: that Turian was the best Turian npc in the game.

More relevantly, however, some sort of 'thank you for saving us from the Rachni' stand-in for the Rachni ambassador would have worked well as a balance. Maybe a Noveria suit (Lorik himself?) who passes on the Executive Board's gratitude for Shepard resolving the matter in a good way, and with a promise of future reciprocacity and support in the future as a quid-pro-quo. Or, if this counters the Paragon asset of having the Rachni armies later, and Noveria really couldn't/shouldn't provide a similar role, the Noveria executives could immediately give this Shepard a significant number of credits/resources/'developmental tech upgrades' immediately now, and promise/imply future offerings in the future. That would balance superior strategic gains later with smaller tactical gains now.



Moving on to characters, I had hoped/expected to meet the Virmire Sacrifice's important relation at some point, possibly the Citadel. Either Sarah Williams, Ashley's sister, or Rhana, Kaiden's old flame. Possibly there to take part in/watch a memorial ceremony of some sort for the Virmire dier, they could be conflicted or even confrontational towards Shepard for letting the Virmire Dier, well, die. You could, would, talk them down soon enough, but it would be another sort of reminder about how your choices in ME1 shaped things for other people, not just yourself, and possibly in a gut-shot way. Eg, Sarah Williams might demand to know if you let Ashley die because of who her Grandfather was, and reveal she's going to join the Alliance like her sister did. Rhana... might have a more serious discussion on Kaiden's passion versus composure, and could be on her way to being an instructor at the Ascension Project.


I've always suspected/expected the Virmire Survivor to become a Spectre. Expected Garrus to become a Spectre as well, like he said he was thinking about: his Recruitment Mission could have been reframed as 'Spectre operation gone bad' or somesuch, or maybe he was on a mission, and went rogue to help the people.

Point is, him quitting the Spectres attempt caught me by surprise.



I always wanted to hear more about that Alliance lieutenant you save from being overrun by Rachni. That was a surprisingly unique and fun extra mission back in ME1.

Similarly, I sort of hoped that if you did/didn't do the Wrex's Armor sidequest, you could get a news report about Krogan artifacts or something.






Final, big thing: I think a lot of humans (or at least Alliance/Cerberus types) should have been angry at Shepard for sacrificing so many human lives and strength to save the Council, just as many aliens (but not all) dislike the Humans in the opposite scenario. Yes, Humanity got it's Council Seat, but the game continually portrays the Council as obstructing or refusing to help the Alliance in it's concerns, same as before, while the Alliance lost such strength after saving the Council (really should have done far more than eight cruisers) that it still can't protect itself.

A lot of humans should have been angry: 'Thanks, Shepard, you saving the Council that never did anything for us when we needed help gave us a pretty Title that doesn't change that they still don't do anything for us, while you got so many good humans killed that the Alliance can't even help itself now!'

And, to inverse the dichtomy even more, Shepard's reception by Cerberus overall could have been far more chilly, with only the Illusive Man really suporting Shepard's unique role as an asset to Humanity. Whereas a 'concentrate on Sovereign' Shepard is warmly received as 'willing to do whatever it takes' and 'remembering his species' and gets the overall warm welcome, a 'Save the Council' Shepard is maligned as taking needless galactic risks, as a xenophile (if romanced Liara)/species traitor, and the whole of the Cerberus is no happier working with Shepard than Shepard may be working with Cerberus. The only person truly supportive of Shepard is The Illusive Man himself, while everyone else (besides Jacob) is working on/with/for Shepard because the Illusive Man told them to.

(And, as a added layer of effect: while the Cerberus personnel might be professional and courteous to Shepard's face when he's talking to them, the full extent of the tone would be conveyed in the gossip you can 'overhear'.)



I think it would have posed a good Paragon/Renegade balance in the galactic structure overall. You can be on good terms with the galaxy as a whole, but not be appreciated or liked by the human establishment. Or you can have the inverse, loved/heralded by your species, but distrusted and disliked by the Council Races. A far better balance than 'loved by Humanity alone or loved by everyone.'

Someone get this man a medal. Posted my gripes a lot better than I can.

[Ioini]

As what lunatic said: lack of background history dialog; namely a Sole Survivor one.



Shadow Broker agent contacting you after the Cerberus quest line.



Actual character development for Shepard.



The reaper plot from the first game.

[Fromyou]

More to do with Kaiden/ Ashley.

[Moiaussi]

Robhuzz wrote...

I must admit I did kinda hate Aria's line right there... And if it had been there I probably would've killed her just for that 'I'm a tough gal' line...Wasn't impressed with her bodyguards either. Those few miserable bodyguards would've been cleaned up easily enough and I'm 100% sure Shepard could take on Aria if he/she wanted. What am I basing this on? The fight with Tela Vasir (LotSB) was a good indication of what Shepard can do. I'm confident Vasir was a lot stronger than Aria, even weakened as she was from the car crash.

You do realize that Shepard is only as capable as scripted...... If Shepard literally can just shoot everyone in sight with no risk of reprocussions, the whole game gets very silly.

[didymos1120]

BurnedToast wrote...

Second, it's not just the council - the destiny ascension has 10,000 crew members. You almost certainly saved more lives overall then you sacrificed (assuming human ships have about the same crew compliment as turian ships),

You did.  It's in the Codex's "Rise Of The Alliance" entry:

That negativity is vastly outweighed by the respect and trust humanity earned by saving the Council during the 2183 attack on the Citadel, at the cost of Alliance crusiers Cairo, Cape Town, Emden, Jakarta, Madrid, Seoul, Shenyang, and Warsaw and their 2400 crew.

I.e. you saved ~4.2 times as many people as you lost.

[didymos1120]

Wizz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, that's obviously because the Collectors don't use the prothean language, which  makes sense given that they're not exactly protheans anymore.

Why do you think so? Actually all their mechanisms  look like prothean technology, just a bit dirty beause nobody cares.

I think so because Shepard never goes "Hey, that's prothean!"  If they were speaking in prothean and using prothean writing, then Shep would have figured out what the Collectors were pretty much right off the bat.   Also, the likelihood that someone who'd dealt with them, or seen some of the tech they'd traded, in the past 500 years would make the connection seems pretty good to me, even if they just went "Hey this looks kinda prothean..."  Lastly, why would the Reapers let them retain their dead-giveaway language after going to such lengths to alter them, and to hide their tracks in general  (this also applies to their tech)?   As far as their tech looking prothean,  I've no idea where you're getting that from.

Wizz wrote...
Some genetic modifications and weak implants(Saren's implants were real reaper technology), not so many. Origin of other collector technology is unknown because we haven't saw protheam space ships to compare.

Where are you getting this "weak" implants notion from? They were chock full of implants, to the point of barely having any internal organs left. And they were no less "real" than Saren's last-minute job. Then there's the stuff recovered from the base and used on Grayson in Retribution, and the fact that they were building a REAPER in there.  Not to mention Harbinger being able to control any drone at will.  You know: that whole deal with them being pretty much literal tools of the Reapers.   You may also want to listen to Mordin's dialogue on what the Collectors were again.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2011 - 02:35 .

[Ryzaki]

-Calling Cerberus out about their experiments

-The council *finally* believing you. Instead I got "Ah yes 'Reapers."." ****ing Turian.

-I thought the Protheans exinction would be expanded on.

-I thought we'd learn more about the Reapers origins

-I thought we'd learn more abou the Keepers and the Citadel itself

[Big I]

I wanted:

-a "I hate Cerberus" dialogue choice, with ANYONE.

- calling Miranda or TIM on Akuze

- the opportunity to convince the Council

- the opportunity to open up relations between the Council and the geth (through Legion)

[Ahriman]

didymos1120 wrote...


I think so because Shepard never goes "Hey, that's prothean!"  If they were speaking in prothean and using prothean writing, then Shep would have figured out what the Collectors were pretty much right off the bat.   Also, the likelihood that someone who'd dealt with them, or seen some of the tech they'd traded, in the past 500 years would make the connection seems pretty good to me, even if they just went "Hey this looks kinda prothean..."  Lastly, why would the Reapers let them retain their dead-giveaway language after going to such lengths to alter them, and to hide their tracks in general  (this also applies to their tech)?   As far as their tech looking prothean,  I've no idea where you're getting that from.

Shepard never goes "Hey, that's prothean!" because newcomers don't know what it is.
Nobody knows how protheans and their ships look like, nobody knows prothean language. How would someone connect protheans with collectors?
Why would Reapers develop new language for them if nobody can hear how they talk with each over? BTW Harbinger talks with his minions on english, kinda strange behavior.

Where are you getting this "weak" implants notion from? They were chock full of implants, to the point of barely having any internal organs left. And they were no less "real" than Saren's last-minute job. Then there's the stuff recovered from the base and used on Grayson in Retribution, and the fact that they were building a REAPER in there.  Not to mention Harbinger being able to control any drone at will.  You know: that whole deal with them being pretty much literal tools of the Reapers.   You may also want to listen to Mordin's dialogue on what the Collectors were again.

Yeah, they were full of implants, but full potential of Reaper technology wasn't used. Just compare collector under direct control with Saren or Grayson.

[Kishero]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

- the opportunity to open up relations between the Council and the geth (through Legion)

I am honestly hoping this is a big part of 3. Perhaps as part of a plot to unite the Galaxy to fend off the leagions of Reapers that hit. Shepard going system to system gathering an army. Its already been forshadowed in the analisis that the Quarian Flotilla as the biggest present fleet being a vital asset. So, get Quarian's a homeworld, letting them move non-combatants t safety and weild the flotilla like a sabre against the foe. Get the Krogan behind you, convince the Geth that their place is with you, perhaps with an embasy, then there are the Rachni (assuming they were spared), it could be a rather epic plotline.