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[G_Admiral_Thrawn]

Divine Power says that it sets the a clerics BAB to a fighter of equal caster level, but it doesn't add any attacks. Or atleast it doesn't according to the character sheet. Bug? Limitation of game engine? Oversight?

[Shadooow]

You get only attack bonus of the difference of the your and pure fighter BAB and you gain an extra attack but that doesnt show up in character sheet. But if you watch log, you will see it.



Unless you are playing in module where this have been changed.

[avado]

What build do you have? At what lvl are you(at time of posting)? IT most certainly works and it works well. If you can let us know these things, it will be easier for us to help.

[G_Admiral_Thrawn]

I tried with a 20 Sorc/Cleric, with Sorc as the base class- up to 18 to and waited on the last 2 levels to grab epic spells. And use DP when I don't want to waste any spells more powerful, or I got ambushed when rested. I have never used it in combat, I had casted to see if it works. I didn't notice if it increases my AB, but it did not give any additional attacks (atleast according to the character sheet. So I did the reverse. Started with a Cleric, and went to 17 (again saving the last 3 levels for epic spells), and still didn't get the additional attack.

[avado]

The character sheet has NEVER been the last word on anything combat in nwn.  So you went 17 cleric straight?  That means, when you cast after that, you would have AB equivalent to 17 fighter.  The cleric has 3/4 ab and fighter has full ab.  SO a fighter would have 17 AB (4 attacks per round) and a cleric at 17 would have 12/7/2.  Your ab would go up to 17, or +5 (not including str bonus, etc) and you would get a 4th attack.  If it doesnt show on the character sheet, it would in the melee record.  Make sure it is the Divine Power (lv 4 spell), not divine favor.  Sometimes it happens that you cast a wrong spell.  There is no reason why you should not get the benefit since I have been playing clerics since 2004 and have NEVER once had an issue with it, unless, like was said, you are playing a mod which nerfs the spells, which is possible.

*edit: I just reread your last post: with an 18/2 sorc/cleric when you cast divine power, you would have the ab of a fighter lv 2!  Thus, no benefit, other than the str benefit (gives 18, unless you are already higher).  A 17 cleric would most definitely get 4 apr and a bonus over a pure cleric.  Done it hundreds of times.

Regarding Epic spells:
http://nwn.wikia.com...:_dragon_knight

I used dragon knight cuz it was first, but the requisite is the same: EPIC cleric or sorc, not  21 lvls.  That means you need 21 sorc or cleric to qualify, or 23 to qualify AND get bonus feat.  20/20 is a bad idea if you want epic spells.  Also, in vanilla, cleric doesnt get such hot epic spells, so you would want Sorc, and you should try to get epic mage armor (ac 5/5/5/5) unless you have +5 defence already, or epic warding.

The other thing with a cleric/sorc build is, the cleric starts strong, but it runs into a very slow part when sorc starts to level because there is no synergy between the 2 classes.  Unless you are playing a mod that is targeted for easy play, you will find a struggle (but Im a power gamer so take it for what that is). 

Modifié par avado, 23 janvier 2011 - 05:21 .

[Shia Luck]

avado wrote...

The character sheet has NEVER been the last word on anything combat in nwn.

Very true, your extra attacks don't show on it.

avado wrote...
So you went 17 cleric straight?  That means, when you cast after that, you would have AB equivalent to 17 fighter. 

Really? It is character level not class level, no? If character is lvl 20 then BAB is 20, no?

[HipMaestro]

Shia Luck wrote...

avado wrote...
So you went 17 cleric straight?  That means, when you cast after that, you would have AB equivalent to 17 fighter. 

Really? It is character level not class level, no? If character is lvl 20 then BAB is 20, no?

Yah, the BAB is based on character level with only the extra HPs and duration based on caster level. But avado used the term "straight" which I intepret as "pure" so, in that case, class level=character level.

[avado]

HipMaestro wrote...

Yah, the BAB is based on character level with only the extra HPs and duration based on caster level. But avado used the term "straight" which I intepret as "pure" so, in that case, class level=character level.

LOL  I learned a long time ago that when doing cleric, it is best to start with cleric and go from there. 

Now, I find it hard to believe that it takes Character level over class level, especially, as the OP mentioned that he went 17 sorc and THEN added cleric and found no result.... you WOULD notice a HUGE difference between full Figther bab vs full Sorc (3 lvls is minimal) bab!   LOL  Maybe I should have read the wiki...NOT! 

[MrZork]

In this case, the wiki is both clear and accurate on this - the AB bump is based on character level. There should be a noticeable increase in AB for either build, whether Sorc/Cleric or Cleric/Sorc, though the change will be a bit more pronounced on a build heavier in pre-epic sorcerer levels. The wiki also notes that the change will not show up on the character sheet. Of course, it's a 4th level cleric spell (3rd with strength domain), so only having only 2 or 3 cleric levels means you have to cast it from a scroll (or device) and I haven't tested how the game handles that, but I would assume the AB and attacks/round will still be based on character level.

G_Admiral_Thrawn wrote...

I tried with a 20 Sorc/Cleric,
with Sorc as the base class- up to 18 to and waited on the last 2 levels
to grab epic spells. [...] So I did the reverse. Started with a Cleric, and
went to 17 (again saving the last 3 levels for epic spells), and still
didn't get the additional attack.

Not sure what is going on with the epic spells business. A (base class) caster generally doesn't get epic spells before caster level 21. I don't see any benefit (in terms of epic spell acquisition) to ending sorcerer or cleric progression before level 21.

Modifié par MrZork, 28 janvier 2011 - 03:20 .

[NorthWolf]

The extra attacks are added through an effect (EffectModifyAttacks). They will not appear on your character sheet and are made at your full BAB. Depending on your character level, you can receive 1 - 2 of these bonus attacks (it will cap out at 4 attacks per round).



It doesn't do anything to your BAB, it just gives you an AB increase that will set it equivalent to your character level. If you were a level 20 cleric with +15 BAB and cast Divine Power, it would give you +5 AB, which counts towards the total +20 AB bonus cap, I believe.



Someone can check me on this, though.

[HipMaestro]

NorthWolf wrote...
It doesn't do anything to your BAB, it just gives you an AB increase that will set it equivalent to your character level. If you were a level 20 cleric with +15 BAB and cast Divine Power, it would give you +5 AB, which counts towards the total +20 AB bonus cap, I believe.

Someone can check me on this, though.

This is in contradiction both to the in-game description and the clarification on the wiki.  Therefore, a sorc13/clc7 SHOULD get a level 20 fighter BAB progression of  +20/+15/+10/+20 (I am assuming the normal attack would be +11/+6/+1, in this case and the added attack at full BAB).  If not, both descriptions are misleading.  After level 20, BAB progression is the same for all classes so the number of epic levels has no relative impact on the resultant attack.

Modifié par HipMaestro, 28 janvier 2011 - 10:33 .

[NorthWolf]

There's a split depending on if your total character level is greater than 20 or not.

If your level is 20 or less, the BAB bonus is your total character level minus your BAB. As such:

Character Level - BAB = Attack Bonus

If your level is higher than 20, your BAB increase is equivalent to 20 + your epic BAB, which is: (character level - 19) / 2. This then is subtracted by your BAB before being applied.

20 + (Character Level - 19) / 2 - BAB = Attack Bonus.

I might be misreading this script since this is a quick check, but that's pretty much what I can take from the standard script.

Modifié par NorthWolf, 01 février 2011 - 06:16 .