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#101
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Dean_the_Young wrote...

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Then your reading skills aren't up to par. I was referring to a singular person, whom I immediately followed in the order of posts, and singled that person out for praise.

If you read it as an insult to others... well, that's your own fault. Maybe you feel not being praised is an insult. Maybe you feel that if someone who is different from you is getting praised, then that's an implicit insult to you. I don't know, but it really isn't my problem. If you wish to feel insulted, who am I to stop you?


You see insulting my reading skills is not exactly the best way to convince me you're not being impolite, secondly you made a a similar post directly below a post of mine so yes I determine that there was an implied insult, finaly your 'compliment' was saying that it lacked bad traits not that it possessed good ones so it does seem like a poor way of icomplimenting someone unless you also whished to insult someone or a group as whole.

Since my praise post did include note of good (the first three words being 'nice and simple'), your reading skills are less a matter of insult and more a matter of fact.

Also going back to your original post were you mentioned "presumed superiority" I shall assume you ment moral superiority- the problem is as a paragon,paragade or questionably renegade you almost certainly do  (I.E no tortuous expirents no kidnapping children, no thresher maw attacks, no assassinating Alliance officials that get in the way.)

As someone who does not deem torturing and dehumanizing someone before killing them in a self-satisfying manner as ever justified, no. I don't find you in a morally supperior position if you do that.  For similar reasons and reasonings that I would not find youmorally superior in raping a serial killer in the process of arresting him or her. What you are doing has nothing to do with justice or accountability, and everything about personal gratificaction.



After those three simple words it was an insult to others

Secondly, a few pages ago I also posted something along the lines of "Or as myself I would take his data for evidence and then turn him over to the Citadel." Thus a distinction between the shepard I play and the morals I hold for example I could not in good conscience shoot someone in real life but I'm perfectly happy to do it to countless mercenaries in-game

Thirdly it's less torture so much as advanced rengade interagation, My Shep would make it clear he's on a world with Thresher Maws and that he dosn't have many options, no harm would intentionaly come to him, after that being found guilty by a neutral party (well as neutral as aliens could be when cerberus is involved.) it's still more justified than some of the renegade options we take in the game proper.

#102
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Tim, mind if I call you "Tim?" All my friends do. Do you remember the Shadow Broker? The prior one, I mean? Shame what happened to him... I suppose that is what happens when you live under an alias.



Oh wait... you live under an alias too! I am not sure you will like the direction Cerberus will be taking in the coming years, but I suppose you will have to blame The Illusive Man for that.... I guess we won't be able to call you Tim any more....



Renegade: "I guess we *will* just have to call you "late" for dinner....



Paragon: "I guess we will just have to call you Number 6... Oh, and welcome to the Island.... "

#103
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Archontor wrote...

After those three simple words it was an insult to others

Only if others presumed it addressing to them, and even then they're the ones who deserve to be insulted.

If people who indulge in dehumanization murder fetishes feel insulted for being called out on indulging in dehumanization murder fetishes, the ideal solution would be for them to stop indulging in dehumanization murder fetishes. Not for them not to be called out on it.

Thirdly it's less torture so much as advanced rengade interagation, My Shep would make it clear he's on a world with Thresher Maws and that he dosn't have many options, no harm would intentionaly come to him, after that being found guilty by a neutral party (well as neutral as aliens could be when cerberus is involved.) it's still more justified than some of the renegade options we take in the game proper.

That's nice. So what? I don't care about what some of the renegade options you take in the game. I care (not so much) about your proposed course of action.

Except, I really don't, and you're reacting to a bruised ego to a pin ****** that never had you in mind in the first place.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 21 février 2011 - 11:11 .


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*Shep walks into TIM's office*
Tim: Shepard, I know that we had an interesting opposition of viewpoints the last time we met. But I'm here now, willing to give your story its full due.
*Renegade interrupt*
Shep: I've grown tired of your insidious allegations.
*Punches TIM in the face*
*Walks away*

Modifié par el Tacos56, 22 février 2011 - 01:47 .


#105
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I'll arrest him if possible, though I have a feeling it'll wind up being a Saren-esque boss fight. That'd be acceptable too.

#106
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Shepard-TIM meet Cain. Cain has a little present for yea.



*BOOM*

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Paragon Shepard: Illusive Man, I can see that you are a hard man who has never learned to feel compassion for others outside your immediate "family." That's why I've brought these pamphlets; I think you need to establish a relationship with Jesus Christ.



Renegade Shepard: Illusive Man, in you I have found a true brother in Christ, ready to do His will by exterminating all those unworthy to be mentioned in the Bible!

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Abispa wrote...

Paragon Shepard: Illusive Man, I can see that you are a hard man who has never learned to feel compassion for others outside your immediate "family." That's why I've brought these pamphlets; I think you need to establish a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Renegade Shepard: Illusive Man, in you I have found a true brother in Christ, ready to do His will by exterminating all those unworthy to be mentioned in the Bible!


Religious Shepard = win.

I'm for locking him in a room with everyone who has been harmed by Cerberus.

Jack
Toombs
The crew of the Idenna
Aria
Sole Survivor Shepard

...anyone else?

#109
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ASk him what Marlon Brando was like.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Archontor wrote...

After those three simple words it was an insult to others

Only if others presumed it addressing to them, and even then they're the ones who deserve to be insulted.

If people who indulge in dehumanization murder fetishes feel insulted for being called out on indulging in dehumanization murder fetishes, the ideal solution would be for them to stop indulging in dehumanization murder fetishes. Not for them not to be called out on it.

Thirdly it's less torture so much as advanced rengade interagation, My Shep would make it clear he's on a world with Thresher Maws and that he dosn't have many options, no harm would intentionaly come to him, after that being found guilty by a neutral party (well as neutral as aliens could be when cerberus is involved.) it's still more justified than some of the renegade options we take in the game proper.

That's nice. So what? I don't care about what some of the renegade options you take in the game. I care (not so much) about your proposed course of action.

Except, I really don't, and you're reacting to a bruised ego to a pin ****** that never had you in mind in the first place.


Well your entitled to not care but what do you mean by the part "Except I realy don't" except you realy don't what? Second I didn't finf my ego especialy bruised I just find passive agressive generalised quips somewhat annoying.

That being said MY course of action is to capture him MY SHEPARD'S in charecter action is the sociopathic one. 

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Archontor wrote...

Well your entitled to not care but what do you mean by the part "Except I realy don't" except you realy don't what?

Except I really don't care about what your Shepard does in particular. It's not a signficant part of my life.

Second I didn't finf my ego especialy bruised I just find passive agressive generalised quips somewhat annoying.

And I do find your ego bruised... in part because you had the ego to think it was aimed at you in particular at all, and your actions following it.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 22 février 2011 - 11:07 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

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Well your entitled to not care but what do you mean by the part "Except I realy don't" except you realy don't what?

Except I really don't care about what your Shepard does in particular. It's not a signficant part of my life.

Second I didn't finf my ego especialy bruised I just find passive agressive generalised quips somewhat annoying.

And I do find your ego bruised... in part because you had the ego to think it was aimed at you in particular at all, and your actions following it.


I never asserted that what my shepard does was important to you I was clarifying the difference between my opinion and his.

Secondly Not only do I consider myself a better judge of my ego due to actualy knowing vastly more about myself.

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Ah, but you are a biased sample. Your own ego will affect how you view your ego, while at least I can claim an outsider's perspective.

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I feel you'd get a chance to meet The Illusive son aka Charlie Sheen.

#115
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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ah, but you are a biased sample. Your own ego will affect how you view your ego, while at least I can claim an outsider's perspective.


Well it's judging a large part of my personality to determine it you have to talk to me to talk to me changes your opinion and regard for me i ways that aren't ego related, nevermind that all people have ego's and thus will compare theirs with mine further skewing results, quite simply an absolute judgement of ego is difficult, Legion might be helpfull.

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But Legion isn't here, or real, and while I might not be real (a turing test), I certainly am here.

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 What would you say or do  in me3?


I'd ask him if he really though I could just forget about what went down on Akuze then I'd pry those pretty blue eyes out of his head and keep them in a jar on my desk.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

But Legion isn't here, or real, and while I might not be real (a turing test), I certainly am here.


That was just a (barely) humerous way of pointing out that an emotionless sentient A.I would be useful in determining my ego- though it would be a collossal waste of an A.I's time

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so blow up the stuff around himself, or blow himself up

either way, the Dr. was stupid to make a system where "practice mode" is basically full-on "rape the galaxy mode"... why did they have a dish in the first place that would allow anybody to "hack the internet" as it were? and why isn't there a kill switch anyways? and how did a floating electronic armored bubble form around the barely functional autistic hell-bent on destroying reality? and why would you put a "barely functional autistic" in control of a system like that? was it ever necessary? couldn't the barely functional autistic just be the "conduit" to the geth, not the actual thing that controls the geth? it's all so stupid, i can barely think of anything actually evil about it because nothing was smart enough to actually be evil


It's part of the mandate. All Cerberus projects apparently must involve incredible amounts of suffering inflicted on an innocent and otherwise likeable character.

This is why experiments in human biotics involved torturing children, and why Overlord had to abuse an autistic man.

It's why they probably threw kittens into a smelting furnance every 5 minutes while building the SR2 (hard to torture cute things when building a ship so you have to get creative meeting the quota).

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I'll make him feel the blood rage.

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Archontor wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

But Legion isn't here, or real, and while I might not be real (a turing test), I certainly am here.


That was just a (barely) humerous way of pointing out that an emotionless sentient A.I would be useful in determining my ego- though it would be a collossal waste of an A.I's time

Rest assured, had you found a dozen words that extremely and utterly hilarious, I would been surprised.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Archontor wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

But Legion isn't here, or real, and while I might not be real (a turing test), I certainly am here.


That was just a (barely) humerous way of pointing out that an emotionless sentient A.I would be useful in determining my ego- though it would be a collossal waste of an A.I's time

Rest assured, had you found a dozen words that extremely and utterly hilarious, I would been surprised.



Hence the reason I said barely.