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[didymos1120]

Last Vizard wrote...

Way too many people are PC, I'll judge a whole race on its history, Batarian culture is backwards and it sounds corrupt.... Batarians are natural bad guys.

Then so is humanity, if we're going on history.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[didymos1120]

petarded2 wrote...
My point was that Batarians almost never act in a way that makes them remotely likable.

No, that wasn't your point:

petarded2 wrote...
Not a single Batarian in the series has any redeemable attribute. They're always portrayed as predjudiced, selfish, stupid dicks.

If it was, then you should have just said that instead of stating universals, to which I simply responded with some counterexamples.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 janvier 2011 - 07:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Nah not all batarians are douchebags. Shepard just meets up with a highly concentrated amount of them.

...that said Shep meets up with a highly concentrated amount of douchebags from *every* species we've seen so far so that's not the best judge...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 janvier 2011 - 08:42 .

[Aimi]

We don't want to fight, but by jingo if we do,

We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too.

[Zulu_DFA]

We hate the Batarians because BioWare writers are screwing with us. They want to make us hate them, so that it would be "emotionally engaging" to have them as major allies against the Reapers in ME3.

[lovgreno]

GodWood wrote...

Good read.

ZachForrest wrote...
A thoughtful, interesting post. I think a lot of the Batarian Hatin' is a bit tongue-in-cheek mind. A whole race can't be written off as evil.

I originally thought this as well [and some probably do] but the more I read the responses on these forums I do think it's pretty accurate to say that most have a complete an utter genuine hate for the entire species and have no desire to see them expanded on or redeemed in any way.

To simplify things into good and evil makes it easier for some. Even if this is not the "total good VS total evil" kind of game.

I often find the batarians to be a lot like the humans actualy.

[Kaltrec]

Like Grunt says: "I don't hate Garrus, he's just one turian, but I hate turians"
I feel the same about batarians

Modifié par Kaltrec, 23 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[gloops]

Grunt is an idiot, I don't think it's wise to share his reasoning. But then again, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

[STG]

gloops wrote...

Grunt is an idiot, I don't think it's wise to share his reasoning.

He is tank grown and he is a krogan. Considering that, I wouldn't call him an idiot.

[Arijharn]

ZachForrest wrote...

we've bumped into some alright Batarians as well. The guys shaking down Mordin's mate on Omega, and some guys on BDtS weren't too bad either. I let them go in any case

Rofl. You do know that those guys on BDtS' asteriod were slavers right? As in, they abduct groups of people, treat them pretty much like cattle (albeit 'well cared for' cattle) and then sell them to who knows, who do who knows what to them?

Even the guy who absolutely hates Balak and went along with him before he knew what Balak had in mind is still a slaver.

Having said that; all the Batarian's we've met are actually those Batarian's that have essentially escaped their Hegemony and have resorted to doing what they must in order to survive. While the Batarian government seems to be space socialists, the lawful ones must be relatively alright, no more bastards than normal humans anyway imo.

Just that they have a legalised form of slavery, being their main production workers.

[Wulfram]

The batarian with the plague seemed like an OK guy

[STG]

Arijharn wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

we've bumped into some alright Batarians as well. The guys shaking down Mordin's mate on Omega, and some guys on BDtS weren't too bad either. I let them go in any case

Rofl. You do know that those guys on BDtS' asteriod were slavers right? As in, they abduct groups of people, treat them pretty much like cattle (albeit 'well cared for' cattle) and then sell them to who knows, who do who knows what to them?

To batarians slaving could be a job like any other. Just because they're doing it doesn't mean they are a terrible person.

I'm sure we had plenty of humans back in the day that were involved in slaving business and weren't evil bastards.

[Arijharn]

STG wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

we've bumped into some alright Batarians as well. The guys shaking down Mordin's mate on Omega, and some guys on BDtS weren't too bad either. I let them go in any case

Rofl. You do know that those guys on BDtS' asteriod were slavers right? As in, they abduct groups of people, treat them pretty much like cattle (albeit 'well cared for' cattle) and then sell them to who knows, who do who knows what to them?

To batarians slaving could be a job like any other. Just because they're doing it doesn't mean they are a terrible person.

I'm sure we had plenty of humans back in the day that were involved in slaving business and weren't evil bastards.

Wait, are you saying that it's okay that they're slavers, because that could be their regular job?

Quite frankly, I don't give the slightest crap about where they stand on the morality bar, it's my perceptions of them and their situation that causes me to make my decision as is right there.

It sounds like you're saying that it's okay if a practicing pedophile exists 'at-large' because he's an awesome shop keeper and he has a sweet ass music collection. In this case; the active pedophile is a criminal as judged by yours and my society, it doesn't matter if he has a great music collection that he lends to his mates, it doesn't even matter if he helps out at the local community library, he's still a danger.

[Legbiter]

I think the only Batarians I have suffered to live are the ones in Aria's posse and that merchant Marsh. Charn, Balak, Salkie, the sick one and those holding Mordin's assistant were gunned down and/or left to die.

[STG]

Wait, are you saying that it's okay that they're slavers, because that could be their regular job?

Quite frankly, I don't give the slightest crap about where they stand on the morality bar, it's my perceptions of them and their situation that causes me to make my decision as is right there.

To them slaving is a regular job. Their society and culture didn't advance enough to the point where they realize that what they're doing is wrong.

Did we enslave people in the past? Yes. Did we know better? Not really. Was every human involved in slavery back then "evil"? Probably not.

Modifié par STG, 23 janvier 2011 - 11:31 .

[didymos1120]

Legbiter wrote...

I think the only Batarians I have suffered to live are the ones in Aria's posse and that merchant Marsh. Charn, Balak, Salkie, the sick one and those holding Mordin's assistant were gunned down and/or left to die.

You can't kill Salkie.  He just gives you a ride to Garrus' recruitment mission.  You thinking of Sgt. Cathka?

[Arijharn]

STG wrote...
To them slaving is a regular job. Their society and culture didn't advance enough to the point where they realize that what they're doing is wrong.

Right, but their perceptions of themselves is irrelevant when we're talking about why we hate Batarian's. Also, bear in mind that slavery, while legal within their own space is expressly illegal in Citadel space, and to date, we haven't actually gone into Batarian space.

[STG]

Hmmm, well then I guess we mostly hate batarians because they remind us of our own dark past.



Or because of that annoying prophet.

[Arijharn]

I agree, that Prophet is annoying. I also admit to actually listening to his entire rant once too, quite interesting in that crazy insane way.

[All-a-Mort]

marshalleck wrote...

My colonist Shepard from Mindoir has every reason in the world to be suspicious and intolerant of batarians, especially after BDtS. He does understand that there are exceptions to every rule of course, but he'll persecute with extreme prejudice any batarian that runs afoul of him by taking or holding slaves, threatening to blow up civilians, or even just looking at him cross-eyed like that chump outside Afterlife.

Likewise. My Spacer and Earthborn Sheps have been nice to the Batarians, but colonist Shep only has one thought about them: putting a bullet right between their eyes...all four of them.

I do wonder whether with such an autocratic and paranoid government, which doesn't generally allow rank and file Batarian civilians off world, whether this makes the slavers and pirates effectively an arm of the Batarian state, more like privateers than pirates. This being so, I wonder how the non-confrontational Batarians we encounter came to escape the Hegemony...retired slavers and pirates or born outside of Hegemony space?

Not sure about the whole idea of a Batarian squadmate in ME3...what role would they take, when Batarians are considered pretty weak soldiers compared to even humans. If we already have the Turian sniper, Krogan tank, Quarian tech and Asari biotic as established squadroles for each game (these persist through ME1 to ME2), and can possibly add a Geth in some fashion, then what squad role would a Batarian have, other than to replace say Zaaed/Ashley as bog standard soldier? I'd rather have the Batarian Hegemony as an opportunist enemy, exploiting the Reaper attack to try and steal some Citadel species colonies.

[GnusmasTHX]

Tolkien just facecenteroftheEarth. That's right. His face went through his palm, through the floor, the ground, all the layers of the Earth to its core.

On topic now: Most of the batarians in the game have been pooks. Granted, that shop keeper SEEMED alright, but hell, he just wants your credits. Too many play the victim of the great human oppressor. Even the guy you help in Mordin's recruitment is a tool about it. I figure the Merc's are alright with humans because... they're mercs. They only people they don't like are people they're paid to kill.

Not only that their government is messed... If they hate humans enough to confine their entire people to their own systems then they should just go to war. And lose. Mostly I just want to see space ships go pew pew.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:20 .

[didymos1120]

GnusmasTHX wrote...
Granted, that shop keeper SEEMED alright, but hell, he just wants your credits.

As does every other shopkeeper, including that nice quarian kid.  Wanting to make a living is not a point against him.  He behaves decently, and that's all that matters until we have evidence that he's actually a raging crypto-racist or something.

Too many play the victim of the great human oppressor. Even the guy you help in Mordin's recruitment is a tool about it.

Nah, he's only a jerk until you help him.  Then he's sorta stunned for a moment, after which he's helpful and drops the purple anti-human prose.  If you have Mordin rescue him, he's changed his tune even more because it was two humans who risked their lives to save his.  Also, you know, he was just about to die of a known-to-be-artificial plague to which only humans and the decidedly less than smart vorcha were immune at the point of his maximum jerkness.  Yeah, he'd reached the wrong conclusion, but you can hardly blame him for not thinking the vorcha were viable suspects.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:40 .

[ZachForrest]

Batarians are basically the same as humans, unfortunately they're a bit culturally backward. I don't blame the citizens of North Korea for the actions of its isolationist, irresponsible government.



Should invite the Batarians to the world cup and stuff, so they know what they're missing.

[lovgreno]

I felt kind of bad for backstabbing Cathka. He didn't seem like a bad guy. Sure, he was working for a bunch of lowlife gangers but basicaly everyone on Omega and the rest of the Terminus systems have to do that kind of work to survive.

But if you are a threat to Garrus you got to go. Sorry Cathka.

[General User]

STG wrote...

Hmmm, well then I guess we mostly hate batarians because they remind us of our own dark past.

Or because of that annoying prophet.

Exactly! Like all aliens in ME, the batarians are caricatures of aspects of humanity. The difference is that while humanity constantly trying to overcome its barbarous past, the batarians seem content to wallow in theirs.
 
And if that weren’t enough, the batarians aren’t content to stay in their own borders and savage each other.  The batarians are a threat to others.

We can hate them for the former, and can be justified in destroying them by the later.