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[HTTP 404]

its going to be vague. the power of imagination is the best description/expanlation of things.

[Mister Mida]

Jep, we still know squat about our big giant squiddies. I thought ME2 would provide us with some major insight about the upcoming overlords. But all we got was this human Reaper which made everyone immediately jump the bandwaggon of them being cyborgs. I personally refuse to take that as a fact yet since the human Reaper may as well have been a desperate final attempt by Harbinger and company to enter the galaxy the traditional way.

[Bluko]

Likely a bunch of hyper-intelligent sapient cuddlefish figured out being entirely mechanized was more efficient then remaining "organic". Only thing is they are douchebags about it and have decided to do the same to every other species so there can be one big happy Reaper family. Not sure what their ultimate goal is. They've been around for millions of years, so you'd figure they'd get bored of the whole reaping business. I'm guessing they plan to spread through-out the universe into other galaxies if they haven't already. They're like all life really in that their only purpose seems to be their continued existence.

That or they are from another universe, etc.

[Whereto]

I tend to go with the majority, they were built by a race of people and then the reapers destroyed them. Form there they "evolved" by upgrading their "designs" to what they are now. of course that could be wrong and i suspect it will be left fairly open for the imagination when it is or if it is explained

[matt-bassist]

they are the protheans. protheans look like squids, so do reapers. case closed.

[marshalleck]

Bluko wrote...

Likely a bunch of hyper-intelligent sapient cuddlefish

Reaper for love interest in ME3--make it so.

[MsFicwriter]

I'm probably wrong, but I thought that Sovereign, a Reaper, resembled one of the rachni. True, it was not the Reapers that wiped the rachni out, but I see just a little bit of resemblance there.



ScorpSt,



I love your theory. "Technological ascension" has always fascinated me.



Marshalleck,



*LOL* Erm, how would Shepard and a Reaper "consummate" their relationship? Shepard agrees to become part of the Reaper, or the Reaper sacrifices itself for Shepard's sake, NOT attacking Earth? I would love to see the possibility of this play out, if only in a comedy machinima. Something tells me that BioWare probably wouldn't add "Reaper" as a romanceable character.



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[xentar]

MsFicwriter wrote...
1.  Unless the Reapers are akin to (a) god/s, that means that they existed before the universe was even formed...

Would be interesting to see an ending when the universe comes to an end as a result of destruction reapers.

[Lvl20DM]

The theme of "transhumanism" (or transturianism, etc) seems to be playing a role in the ME games. Shep and Saren are depicted as more/less human/turian than their peers. I think the Reapers were an early species that "Reapered" themselves on purpose, under the belief that doing so would give them immortality and place them beyond organic concerns. They might have even found the idea of the collective consciousness described by Legion as an ideal state. Over the eons, the Reapers began perpetuating the cycle in order to help worthy species to ascend.

I think that discovering the origin and motivation of the Reapers will be a key component in stopping them.

[Dayshadow]

Reapers are extra dimensional species collectives that use synthetic-organic bodies to interact with our dimension. They use to be like us, but they "ascended".  Legion says that Nazara was basically an organic version of the geth.  I assume that while they hibernate they "astral project" and exist in another realm/dimension.  People get to caught up on what they see with their eyes: giant hulks of metal. But the reapers, the actual essence of what they are, may have existed before the dreadnuaght squid bodies were made.

[meiwow]

I always figured reapers destroyed all life in the galaxy precisely because they don't want to leave any trace or clue that will hint any other intelligent life of their origin so they don't become a threat later. Given the fact that they are machine hints that they were created since only organic life can evolve, machines have to design their "evolution" or "upgrades" which hits you obviously that they had a begining like all other life. It's unknown where that begining was so we can just speculate that some race in the past created them and then got wiped out when they went rogue.

Modifié par meiwow, 23 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[The-Podge]

They are Reaper of Borg... on steroids

[Lumikki]

You know that this is no spoiler area?

[jimmyfi]

pfft.. you do know that life goes on cycles.. one comes (or is created by someone), evolves to stage X ,and usually perishes most likely, or they Evolve to higher beings like them Reapers.

Lets say.. if you've seen Terminator movies you can figure quite easily how Reapers came to be. and well reasons to Keel all life on galaxy is also quite understandable if you've seen/read some sci-fi movies / books. or even matrix.. "Life" is a parasite that doesnt follow logic gaah too many fancy words:D

Modifié par jimmyfi, 23 janvier 2011 - 05:49 .

[JKoopman]

I kind of have to *facepalm* and the suggestion by a few people that the Reapers evolved naturally in the same way organic life has. The Reapers are gigantic warships with internal, pressurized compartments complete with furnishings, are equipped with massive element zero cores, armed with mass accelerator cannons, and are obviously constructed out of gears and servos and wires, as we see them in quite a bit of detail from the inside both when Sovereign explodes and when we're aboard the derelict Reaper in ME2.

Things like that don't "evolve" naturally. Someone or something built them.

I prefer to think of them as ancient sentient warships constructed by a long dead (perhaps the first) galactic civilization, who's original programming or purpose was corrupted over the millenia. Their motivations may be as simple as exactly what Sovereign tells you; that they exist to "impose order on the chaos of organic evolution." It's possible we'll learn their true origins in ME3, but I'm unsure whether we'll ever truly discover the madness to their method as, like Sovereign says, the Reapers are simply "beyond our comprehension."

Modifié par JKoopman, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:27 .

[Uszi]

I used to originally think they were basically super Geth, that decided to become gods.



The implication that they are giant cyborgs in ME2 lends a lot of weight to the once organic species achieving immortality through technological ascension.



Will be interesting to see! I hope Bioware does tackle it, instead of pulling a "Tali's face," on us.

[Andy379]

About 45 million years back this happened
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and the reapers gained their first foot hold on galactic domination.

Modifié par Andy379, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:46 .

[PiEman]

I've basically had two theories.



Either they were constructed by a highly advanced civilization, and then destroyed them,



Or they were a highly advanced civilization that evolved themselves above the need for organic bodies.



Regardless, in both of those I also hold the theory that they need organics for something other than just reproduction, namely as some kind of fuel or something like that, and have justified their repeated genocide to themselves with the whole Superior Mechanical God complex.

[Had-to-say]

What do we know about super stong magnetic fields inside magnetars? As far as we know the periodic table may have a completely different atomic weight and application inside a magnetic field that strong. How do we know elements can't be manufactured inside electromagnetic 'furnaces'? There may be more than 92 known atoms inside a magnetar, do atoms even exist inside magnetars? I know it is all specualtion. The statement sentience can only exist in organic carbon based life forms seems terribly arrogant considering the nature of the universe. Just because the idea isn't comforting and easily understood doesn't mean it's outlandish. We know very little about magnetars.



A rock and the human brain are all composed of electrons, protons, and neutrons. It's the atomic organization that makes them different; the atomic weight. Now imagine all of known existence in one atom, our science is very limited when trying to imagine existence before the big bang.



So we take it with 'faith" that there was something before the big bang. Who on Earth is qualified to say what was or wasn't there?



Machines could have evolved first human beings are just self replicating biological machines.

[JKoopman]

Had-to-say wrote...

What do we know about super stong magnetic fields inside magnetars? As far as we know the periodic table may have a completely different atomic weight and application inside a magnetic field that strong. How do we know elements can't be manufactured inside electromagnetic 'furnaces'? There may be more than 92 known atoms inside a magnetar, do atoms even exist inside magnetars? I know it is all specualtion. The statement sentience can only exist in organic carbon based life forms seems terribly arrogant considering the nature of the universe. Just because the idea isn't comforting and easily understood doesn't mean it's outlandish. We know very little about magnetars.

A rock and the human brain are all composed of electrons, protons, and neutrons. It's the atomic organization that makes them different; the atomic weight. Now imagine all of known existence in one atom, our science is very limited when trying to imagine existence before the big bang.

So we take it with 'faith" that there was something before the big bang. Who on Earth is qualified to say what was or wasn't there?

Machines could have evolved first human beings are just self replicating biological machines.

But a naturally-evolved "machine" wouldn't look like a machine. It would just look like any other organic being. Reapers have internal pressurized compartments designed to support organic life. They have sophisticated element zero power plants and advanced mass accelerator weaponry. They have gears and servos and insulated cables and external cameras and holographic projectors. Things like that don't grow through the natural process of evolution (which, I might add, is a process of cell division and mutation; neither of which being something machines are capable of). They are built.

The idea that the Reapers just sprung up out of stardust and magnetic fields is ludicrous to the point where "a wizard did it" would actually be a more plausible explanation. That's like saying that, given a long enough timeline, my dusty old PC might spontaneously grow a new graphics card.

Modifié par JKoopman, 23 janvier 2011 - 07:29 .

[Vengeful Nature]

Exiled Eagle wrote...

I'd rather not know, I want the origin of the Reapers to be kept a mystery.

I agree. Even Vigil says something about how it doesn't matter to Shepard what their game is, all that matters is that he stops them. I'd rather the writers put more effort into thinking of a way of stopping the Reapers that doesn't involve magic Goldblum viruses or science-breaking sunguns.

There is, however, the argument that stopping them could depend on understanding them, but I just can't see it happening.

JakeMacDon wrote...

Fifty million years ago, they were created by a race known as the Saberhagens.

'tis a true thing.

HA! I like you.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 23 janvier 2011 - 08:12 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

What I don't get, is why Reapers were told to be completely machines in ME1, that humans are nothing to them (or something like this) and then go all cybernetics in ME2. Well, they managed to retcon the genophage too so it's not surprising...

[RAF1940]

JKoopman wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

What do we know about super stong magnetic fields inside magnetars? As far as we know the periodic table may have a completely different atomic weight and application inside a magnetic field that strong. How do we know elements can't be manufactured inside electromagnetic 'furnaces'? There may be more than 92 known atoms inside a magnetar, do atoms even exist inside magnetars? I know it is all specualtion. The statement sentience can only exist in organic carbon based life forms seems terribly arrogant considering the nature of the universe. Just because the idea isn't comforting and easily understood doesn't mean it's outlandish. We know very little about magnetars.

A rock and the human brain are all composed of electrons, protons, and neutrons. It's the atomic organization that makes them different; the atomic weight. Now imagine all of known existence in one atom, our science is very limited when trying to imagine existence before the big bang.

So we take it with 'faith" that there was something before the big bang. Who on Earth is qualified to say what was or wasn't there?

Machines could have evolved first human beings are just self replicating biological machines.

But a naturally-evolved "machine" wouldn't look like a machine. It would just look like any other organic being. Reapers have internal pressurized compartments designed to support organic life. They have sophisticated element zero power plants and advanced mass accelerator weaponry. They have gears and servos and insulated cables and external cameras and holographic projectors. Things like that don't grow through the natural process of evolution (which, I might add, is a process of cell division and mutation; neither of which being something machines are capable of). They are built.

The idea that the Reapers just sprung up out of stardust and magnetic fields is ludicrous to the point where "a wizard did it" would actually be a more plausible explanation. That's like saying that, given a long enough timeline, my dusty old PC might spontaneously grow a new graphics card.

This is true. Reapers are too technologically sophisticated to have simply "evolved". Reapers were created. By whom? We don't know, and I doubt we find out.

Who do I think created them? The Keepers. Trash it all you want, but I can't think of any better options.