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[marshalleck]

Khayness wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They've said the gameplay of DA2 isn't that different from DAO--just a faster feel to it with the new animations and "front loaded" attacks. You could see as much in the combat walkthrough. Maybe, just maybe, Bioware aren't lying and trying to mislead. Maybe there aren't that many combat changes to walk people through? *gasp*

Well, they have said many times that the marketing is not aimed to the people who follow DA2 news 24/7 and diehard BioWare fans, so that's not really reassuring to the folks who didn't play DA:O or never heard of it before.

Perhaps they feel the combat walkthrough is enough for most people who don't really follow the game and just find a link to the youtube version from their gaming news aggregator of choice. 

[Dubya75]

Khayness wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They've said the gameplay of DA2 isn't that different from DAO--just a faster feel to it with the new animations and "front loaded" attacks. You could see as much in the combat walkthrough. Maybe, just maybe, Bioware aren't lying and trying to mislead. Maybe there aren't that many combat changes to walk people through? *gasp*

Well, they have said many times that the marketing is not aimed to the people who follow DA2 news 24/7 and diehard BioWare fans, so that's not really reassuring to the folks who didn't play DA:O or never heard of it before.

I have to agree, if I've never played DA:O and saw these tatty bits and bobs from DA2 I would probably give it a miss.
The Destiny trailer is the only bit of quality advertising that's been published but its hardly an indication of what the real game is like since it contains no gameplay.
All the Dev diaries so far only seems to be aimed at followers of Dragon Age, leaving out all the others...

[Soul Reaver]

Dragon Fail 2 won't reach AAA

Modifié par Soul Reaver, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:03 .

[Khayness]

marshalleck wrote...

Perhaps they feel the combat walkthrough is enough for most people who don't really follow the game and just find a link to the youtube version from their gaming news aggregator of choice.

Mayhaps.

But if I were a random dude who wants to pick something new up in March to pass time with, I would give a "meh, maybe a rental" given the info we have so far, not the "It's going to be a masterpiece" reaction most of us are having.

There is still time to pull off a marketing event of Warden's Quest-esque proportions, but the chances look really dim.

[marshalleck]

Alright. So what would we like then? How can this be resolved to your satisfaction? Instead of just complaining about a general lack of information, what exactly do you want to see, and when do you want to see it? Be specific. Video subject matter, length of video, and the dates you want them released.

Example:

Feb. 1 -- 15 minute direct feed gameplay video, no cuts, no voiceover
Feb. 8 -- 30 minute full roster companion bios. Names, backgrounds, occupations/reasons for being in Kirkwall

etc 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:11 .

[Khayness]

marshalleck wrote...

Alright. So what would we like then? How can this be resolved to your satisfaction? Instead of just complaining about a general lack of information, what exactly do you want to see, and when do you want to see it? Be specific. Video subject matter, length of video, and the dates you want them released.

Haha, I like you.

Let's see, character videos like before Awakening (max 1 min), detailed class revievs like Mass Effect 2 (1,5-2 mins), a small quest run like The Witcher 2 (3+ mins, more if they want to show different outcomes), starting about a month ago .

[NichaelBluth]

marshalleck wrote...

Alright. So what would we like then? How can this be resolved to your satisfaction? Instead of just complaining about a general lack of information, what exactly do you want to see, and when do you want to see it? Be specific. Video subject matter, length of video, and the dates you want them released.

As others have point outed, something more akin to The Witcher 2's marketing, or Mass Effect 2's marketing would make this situation seem less peculiar. 

[marshalleck]

NichaelBluth wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Alright. So what would we like then? How can this be resolved to your satisfaction? Instead of just complaining about a general lack of information, what exactly do you want to see, and when do you want to see it? Be specific. Video subject matter, length of video, and the dates you want them released.

As others have point outed, something more akin to The Witcher 2's marketing, or Mass Effect 2's marketing would make this situation seem less peculiar. 

insufficient information

[Dubya75]

marshalleck wrote...

Alright. So what would we like then? How can this be resolved to your satisfaction? Instead of just complaining about a general lack of information, what exactly do you want to see, and when do you want to see it? Be specific. Video subject matter, length of video, and the dates you want them released.

Example:

Feb. 1 -- 15 minute direct feed gameplay video, no cuts, no voiceover
Feb. 8 -- 30 minute full roster companion bios. Names, backgrounds, occupations/reasons for being in Kirkwall

etc

What are you, a Bioware rep?
Isn't it obvious what is needed? We need something to reflect the true quality of the game, DUH!

[marshalleck]

Dubya75 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Alright. So what would we like then? How can this be resolved to your satisfaction? Instead of just complaining about a general lack of information, what exactly do you want to see, and when do you want to see it? Be specific. Video subject matter, length of video, and the dates you want them released.

Example:

Feb. 1 -- 15 minute direct feed gameplay video, no cuts, no voiceover
Feb. 8 -- 30 minute full roster companion bios. Names, backgrounds, occupations/reasons for being in Kirkwall

etc

What are you, a Bioware rep?
Isn't it obvious what is needed? We need something to reflect the true quality of the game, DUH!

No. The point is "not enough information" is purely subjective. See, I am more or less content with what I've seen so far. I get the gist of the combat changes, and I don't really want any more companion spoilers. Obviously my needs are not the same as others, so I am asking for specifics. Saying "it's not enough" isn't really going to help Bioware if they have some spare time to put out another video, right? They'll just have to kind of guess at what people are asking. So help them, and be specific with what you want. Khayness was able to do it, it's not hard unless you're just here to complain without any other specific purpose.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[Khayness]

Dubya75 wrote...

What are you, a Bioware rep?

Isn't it obvious what is needed? We need something to reflect the true quality of the game, DUH!

CV and a motivational letter, followed by a detailed marketing plan with screenplay.

On the double mister!

[NichaelBluth]

marshalleck wrote...
No. The point is "not enough information" is purely subjective. See, I am more or less content with what I've seen so far. I get the gist of the combat changes, and I don't really want any more companion spoilers. Obviously my needs are not the same as others, so I am asking for specifics.

The kind of information you're asking for is insanely specific (Asking for what ads should be run on which dates is just ridiculous since only someone with extensive marketing experience would know that.), and you seem to be deliberately asking that to ignore the fact that people have already said what they normally would expect marketing wise out of a game like DA2.

marshalleck wrote...
 Saying "it's not enough" isn't really going to help Bioware if they have some spare time to put out another video, right? They'll just have to kind of guess at what people are asking. So help them, and be specific with what you want.

EA and BioWare don't need help with their own marketing. It's not a consumer's job to tell a company how to advertise because we don't know any of the details behind the scenes. We can say though that the meager marketing campaign of DA2 is very strange, especially in comparison to BioWare's other products, as well as other similar products not made by BioWare (The Witcher, Elder Scrolls, etc). To deny that is to deny what's basically true. 

And once again, I really have to stress that I truly hope for the best with DA2 because I greatly enjoyed DA:O. However, I'm keeping my expectations low this time around, and that's pretty much solely because of the lack of real marketing for the game. If I felt that way, and still bought the game because I liked DA:O so much, think about how other potential customers might feel who aren't quite as fond of this series as I am. DA2 could barely be on the radar for them.

Modifié par NichaelBluth, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:33 .

[TwistedComplex]

Soul Reaver wrote...

Dragon Fail 2 won't reach AAA

Isn't that what they said about ME2?

This is getting repetative, jim

[marshalleck]

NichaelBluth wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
No. The point is "not enough information" is purely subjective. See, I am more or less content with what I've seen so far. I get the gist of the combat changes, and I don't really want any more companion spoilers. Obviously my needs are not the same as others, so I am asking for specifics.

The kind of information you're asking for is insanely specific (Asking for what ads should be run on which dates is just ridiculous since only someone with extensive marketing experience would know that.), and you seem to be deliberately asking that to ignore the fact that people have already said what they normally would expect marketing wise out of a game like DA2.

Actually, I'm asking because I don't care about The Witcher 2, and I haven't been following it. I don't know how they've been advertising it. So saying "advertise like The Witcher 2" is meaningless to me. How that's going to help Bioware market the game to people who aren't following it is beyond me, since it's clearly not working for The Witcher 2. /shrug

marshalleck wrote...
 Saying "it's not enough" isn't really going to help Bioware if they have some spare time to put out another video, right? They'll just have to kind of guess at what people are asking. So help them, and be specific with what you want.

EA and BioWare don't need help with their own marketing. It's not a consumer's job to tell a company how to advertise because we don't know any of the details behind the scenes. We can say though that the meager marketing campaign of DA2 is very strange, especially in comparison to BioWare's other products, as well as other similar products not made by BioWare (The Witcher, Elder Scrolls, etc). To deny that is to deny what's basically true. 

So you can't tell them what you want to see when you don't know the details behind the scenes, but you can complain about what they've been doing up to this point when you don't know the full intent and time table for their marketing strategy? I don't think it's objectively true that the marketing for DA2 has been "meager." From the videos released on their own site, to the interviews, previews, screenshots, and developer interaction on this forum I feel like I've been able to make a reasonably informed decision regarding the product they're intending to sell. I'm content with what I know of the game, and any more specific information that's being held back seems to me like it would be delving into spoiler territory. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:36 .

[Marionetten]

I suspect that someone shot himself in the foot by overhyping the new hotrodded graphics.

Cue actual screenshots followed by universal disappointment.

Soul Reaver wrote...

Dragon Fail 2 won't reach AAA

It will if only due to brand recognition. Opinions aside, BioWare is more or less synonymous with AAA RPGs.

Modifié par Marionetten, 23 janvier 2011 - 12:37 .

[Saibh]

BioWare doesn't usually release gameplay footage. We are not in the marketing blitz yet.



So go doom-and-gloom somewhere else.

[AnimaTempli101]

Maybe they just like torturing their fans? They do need their coffee after all.



*dev team can be heard cackling maniacally in the distance*

[Beerfish]

I'm not exactly sure what more a person can learn about more gameplay footage. We've seen game play footage. We might see a new spell or two or a few new fancy spin moves perhaps. I'm just not sure how much gameplay footage is needed for a person to a) make up their mind about the game and not toss out too many spoilers or locations.

[The Elder King]

Soul Reaver wrote...

Dragon Fail 2 won't reach AAA

Thank you. Your comment was so good and explained a lot about DA2 (surely you have played it many hours), that I decide to cancel my preorder.

[Saibh]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Saibh wrote...

BioWare doesn't usually release gameplay footage. We are not in the marketing blitz yet.

So go doom-and-gloom somewhere else.

What are you talking about? Origins and ME2 started early with the gameplay footage. Those class videos for ME2 came out several months before the game shipped. Don't try to distort facts just to support Bioware.

Adjusted for the fact that ME2 was in development for a few years, and Origins was in development for almost six, and was delayed several times? DAII is on a much shorter dev cycle, and information about the game will come closer to release.

As I recall, almost every single one of DAO's videos were character, location, or Origins videos. And I'm not finding any combat walkthroughs on the DAO site.

I stayed away from most ME2 marketing, but I don't recall the class videos being so much gameplay footage as LOOK AT THIS SPECIAL MOVE ISN'T IT COOL? It'd be like Shield Bash getting it's own video. That's not gameplay.

Modifié par Saibh, 23 janvier 2011 - 04:05 .

[The Elder King]

I believe that in ME2 they've shown the classes footage because of the huge change of direction in confront of ME gameplay. If you confront ME and ME2 gameplay, they're almost completely different. Probably the distinction on gameplay between DAO and DA2 will not be at the same level of ME-ME2.

[slimgrin]

Between this thread and the TW vs DA thread, I'm beginning to think the entire forum needs to get laid.