So, as we all know, Bioware plans to make ME3 accessible to completely new players, meaning they'll probably be doing something like they did for ME2 by assuming a certain set of choices during the previous two games for any Shepards created in 3. Since ME2's default save lacked a lot of carry-over "bonuses" that could become significant (Rachni saved, Wrex alive, etc.), it's likely that ME3's default save will assume an imperfect outcome for the suicide mission.
However, IIRC, one of the devs tweeted that letting your squadmates die would have serious negative consequences in ME3," which strongly suggests that at least some of them will have important roles in 3, and, as a result, the default save will leave a fair enough number alive. Even in 2, characters like Miranda and Mordin carried a lot more weight in the plot than a lot of others. (The jury's out on whether the less significant characters will be playable or restricted to cameos, but that's beside the point.)
Miranda is definitely safe, since she's nearly impossible to kill off in the suicide mission. Plus, the novels seem to indicate that keeping the collector base is the default choice, and if this is the case for ME3's default Shepard, she'll definitely play a major role as his/her main contact in Cerberus. Garrus and Tali will probably be alive too, since they'll (hopefully) get bigger roles as a result of fan demand, and Tali could be important to the case of the quarians and the geth.
It's harder to imagine who will be dead/otherwise not present for the events of ME3 in the default save. Zaeed and Kasumi are pretty much guaranteed to be out - on top of the fact they're DLC and the latter costs $7, Vido and the greybox don't seem too significant. Jack and Samara both mentioned leaving, so they might be on the chop block too. Jacob might be assumed as the default choice for the vents assignment since he volunteered and all, and...yeah, you know how that goes.
Your thoughts?
Status of ME2 Characters for ME3's "Default" Shepard
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#2
Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 10:43
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i want grunt and ashley to have big roles in me3
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 10:59
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I'd imagine the LIs and Legion will probably still be there. The average number of casualties on the suicide mission from Bioware's gathered stats was, what, 4 or something? That's probably the baseline for the default.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 01:49
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Well I can hope against all logic to see Zaeed again, i know the voice in my head tells me its not a high chance, but alas...
/cry
/cry
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 02:37
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Hmm... let's do a pronostic, basing everything on the 3-4 lossess stastic and on the fact that the default Shepard is almost the worst possible.
Miranda - she's got an almost perfect plot armor. Survived and probably loyal to Shepard. She didn't speak with Oriana.
Garrus - the most played male character, and at least one of the former Shep squaddies should remain. Survived and loyal. Killed Sidonis.
Jacob - he volounteers for the vents infiltration, and a Cerberus officer is enough in the crew. Casualty. Probably his father is dead too.
Tali - one of the characters easier to die in SM... so probably she's gone. If survives she's probably exiled, or even unloyal.
Mordin - another possible loss. He killed Maelon un Tuchanka, but saved the datas, that might be useful even without him.
Thane - alive, but probably Kolyath is escaped.
Samara/Morinth - probably Shep got charmed by Morinth and he killed Samara. BtW alive.
Grunt - loyal and survived, but probably allied with Unvenk, especially considering that the default Shep didn't save Wrex on Virmire and Wreav is a douche.
Jack - killed Aresh on Pragia, but probably got unloyal after the confrontation with Miranda. Eventually died holding the line during SM.
Legion - loyal and alive. Heretics destroyed.
Zaeed - casualty of the SM, or even left behind on Zoraya.
Kasumi - alive and loyal, but she kept the graybox so she's in danger.
Collector's Base given to TIM so probably Shep's in good relations with him. Same for Liara as the SB, but not whit the Human Council.
Remember... often the non-import Shepard is called FailShep for a reason.
Miranda - she's got an almost perfect plot armor. Survived and probably loyal to Shepard. She didn't speak with Oriana.
Garrus - the most played male character, and at least one of the former Shep squaddies should remain. Survived and loyal. Killed Sidonis.
Jacob - he volounteers for the vents infiltration, and a Cerberus officer is enough in the crew. Casualty. Probably his father is dead too.
Tali - one of the characters easier to die in SM... so probably she's gone. If survives she's probably exiled, or even unloyal.
Mordin - another possible loss. He killed Maelon un Tuchanka, but saved the datas, that might be useful even without him.
Thane - alive, but probably Kolyath is escaped.
Samara/Morinth - probably Shep got charmed by Morinth and he killed Samara. BtW alive.
Grunt - loyal and survived, but probably allied with Unvenk, especially considering that the default Shep didn't save Wrex on Virmire and Wreav is a douche.
Jack - killed Aresh on Pragia, but probably got unloyal after the confrontation with Miranda. Eventually died holding the line during SM.
Legion - loyal and alive. Heretics destroyed.
Zaeed - casualty of the SM, or even left behind on Zoraya.
Kasumi - alive and loyal, but she kept the graybox so she's in danger.
Collector's Base given to TIM so probably Shep's in good relations with him. Same for Liara as the SB, but not whit the Human Council.
Remember... often the non-import Shepard is called FailShep for a reason.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 02:56
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Alienmorph wrote...
Grunt - loyal and survived, but probably allied with Unvenk
Wait, is that even possible? Can you get him to join Uvenk in any way?
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 03:27
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I think so, I never tried, because I always save Wrex and put Grunt in the Urdnots.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 03:47
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I dont think thats possible, I played ME2 befor ME1, and played it at least 3 times through, i never remember an option to have him join Uvenk. Wreave isnt that bad, hes just not foward thinking like Wrex, hes an old school Krogan, that wont advance them in anyway
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 03:53
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Status of ME2 Characters for ME3's "Default" Shepard:
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 03:57
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haha thats one quiet SR2 u got there Zulu haha
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:00
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I personally don't see Tali, being killed during the sm or being exiled during her loyalty mission. I think she's your link to the Quarian's in ME3 just like Legion is your link to the Geth in ME3 which I think will be partly about building an army/fleet to battle the Reapers.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:09
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
Status of ME2 Characters for ME3's "Default" Shepard:
Ha, indeed. There is no ME2 and never was.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:16
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If it is anything like ME2, I think only Miranda made it.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:23
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Encarmine wrote...
haha thats one quiet SR2 u got there Zulu haha
And I can roam it, but I can't leave it. Horror stuff.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:24
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I think Tali is exiled by alive and loyal, actually. why? because in advertisement campaigns they always add this little spoiler of her being exiled.
Mordin is a very likely loss as he's the easiest to kill in suicide mission.
Jack could be dead or have left, but Samara (who will be a default choice) is alive and sticking around, due to her oath. in all my talks with her after the suicide mission, she doesn't mention leaving, only that once its all over and she's back to being a justicar, she'll either kill you next time she sees you (if you were naughty) or she'll come to your aid, whenever you need her (if you're nice)
no Kasumi or Zaeed for default Shep.
Thane most likely dead (remember he was already dying, only had about a year left), Kolyat was helped (so you might even get an option of getting him on your crew) but Thalid was killed. So was Sidonis and Maelon actually.
Miranda the unkillable poster girl (she WILL stay alive unless disloyal, damn it :/) is going to be part of your default crew.
Legion was not activated and there's still split between heretics and the rest of the Geth.
that's my opinion anyways
Mordin is a very likely loss as he's the easiest to kill in suicide mission.
Jack could be dead or have left, but Samara (who will be a default choice) is alive and sticking around, due to her oath. in all my talks with her after the suicide mission, she doesn't mention leaving, only that once its all over and she's back to being a justicar, she'll either kill you next time she sees you (if you were naughty) or she'll come to your aid, whenever you need her (if you're nice)
no Kasumi or Zaeed for default Shep.
Thane most likely dead (remember he was already dying, only had about a year left), Kolyat was helped (so you might even get an option of getting him on your crew) but Thalid was killed. So was Sidonis and Maelon actually.
Miranda the unkillable poster girl (she WILL stay alive unless disloyal, damn it :/) is going to be part of your default crew.
Legion was not activated and there's still split between heretics and the rest of the Geth.
that's my opinion anyways
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:31
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You people always insisting on Thane being dead... 
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:45
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
You people always insisting on Thane being dead...
He has a year left. You do the man more justice by letting him die in a SM than keeping him around after it.
Personally, I can only see Miranda surviving and even that because Shep needs someone to pull him up at the end. However I could also see Bioware gving us an option to choose several characters that survived the mission.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:46
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Jack is the only person on the crew with no outside loyalties and connections.
She has no reason to leave.
She has no reason to leave.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:54
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you know i doubt thane will be dead considering he is a love interest but who knows
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:54
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*facepalm*STG wrote...
You do the man more justice by letting him die in a SM than keeping him around after it.Fiery Phoenix wrote...
You people always insisting on Thane being dead...
Anyhow, this isn't the thread to discuss the subject. So it's all good.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 04:57
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Thane will probably be alive IF you import ME2 character and kept him alive. but in a default, more then likely, he'll be dead, possibly replaced by Kolyat.
also, didn't they kill off love interests in DAO (I haven't finished the game yet, but some of the spoilers mention it)
also, didn't they kill off love interests in DAO (I haven't finished the game yet, but some of the spoilers mention it)
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 05:09
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
*facepalm*STG wrote...
You do the man more justice by letting him die in a SM than keeping him around after it.
Anyhow, this isn't the thread to discuss the subject. So it's all good.
Facepalm at what?
Would you rather:
Have a tragic character die in the "last glorious battle", as his final act of sacrifice and attonement for all the "evil" he's done in his past?
or
Coughing in bed and barely breathing. Probably in some random hospital, suffering in misery that is a slow and painful death?
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 05:12
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STG wrote...
Fiery Phoenix wrote...
*facepalm*STG wrote...
You do the man more justice by letting him die in a SM than keeping him around after it.
Anyhow, this isn't the thread to discuss the subject. So it's all good.
Facepalm at what?
Would you rather:
Have a tragic character die in the "last glorious battle", as his final act of sacrifice and attonement for all the "evil" he's done in his past?
or
Coughing in bed and barely breathing. Probably in some random hospital, suffering in misery that is a slow and painful death?
Thanemancers are still hoping for a cure, y'know.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 05:21
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Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Thanemancers are still hoping for a cure, y'know.
Oh yeah... never thought about that one tbh. lol
Probably has something to do with him saying that he won't live to see the cure ready or something like that. But yeah if you hope for the cure then it makes sense to keep him alive.
However him dying on SM is still great storytelling and a conclusion to his character. Mordin as well while we're at it.
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Posté 23 janvier 2011 - 05:22
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Hyper Cutter wrote...
I'd imagine the LIs and Legion will probably still be there. The average number of casualties on the suicide mission from Bioware's gathered stats was, what, 4 or something? That's probably the baseline for the default.
The average loss was 14% which equates to approximately two squadmates, although rounded. Therefore one to two would be the overall casualty.
STG wrote...
Fiery Phoenix wrote...
You people always insisting on Thane being dead...
He has a year left. You do the man more justice by letting him die in a SM than keeping him around after it.
Personally, I can only see Miranda surviving and even that because Shep needs someone to pull him up at the end. However I could also see Bioware gving us an option to choose several characters that survived the mission.
It is also explicitly mentioned the Hanar are in the progress of developing a cure. Thane only surmises he will not live to witness a completion. It is entirely plausible he does, be it through a medical breakthrough or previously unknown technology. We were led to believe there was no cure for the Genophage, yet Maelon evidently proved the contrary.
