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[Fiery Phoenix]

STG wrote...

Facepalm at what?
Would you rather:
Have a tragic character die in the "last glorious battle", as his final act of sacrifice and attonement for all the "evil" he's done in his past?
or
Coughing in bed and barely breathing. Probably in some random hospital, suffering in misery that is a slow and painful death?

I know what you mean. Believe me, I do.

Then again, you're looking at Thane's character from a very basic angle. That is to say, you aren't considering the fact that he's a fully fledged squadmate who, if romanced, does not want to die anymore (because of Shepard) because he literally falls in love with you. This, in turn, brings the question of whether only a romanced Thane will be cured, which I can safely answer with a big fat NO.

The version of Thane that you speak of doesn't really exist anymore once you've successfully completed his loyalty mission -- even more so if you romance him. Killing him off on the suicide mission when he's found something to live for again is anything but justice. Maybe it's justice if you fail his loyalty mission or don't bother with it at all, but otherwise it certainly isn't.

That, and I'm sure Thane won't be confined to a bed in ME3. Not saying they're going to cure him (I hope so, though), but I can see him doing more than just giving me a speech while he's on his death bed.

[Wurf]

Alienmorph wrote...

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Nice list! I can see a lot of this happening, and 3-4 casualties seems reasonable. Might expect a few more, since, you know...FailShep is fail.

The renegade choice at the end of Mordin's loyalty mission is actually to destroy the data, so if Mordin's LM is counted as done, bye bye genophage cure. If not, Maelon could still be out there working on it.

From what I've observed, you need a pretty high paragon/renegade score to even get the option to pick between Samara and Morinth. (I wouldn't know, since I always have full renegade by the time I do her loyalty mission...I still pick Samara every time, for the record.) Maybe the loyalty mission is not counted as done and Morinth is still on the loose, but I can't see default Shep taking the time to recruit her over Samara.

I also wouldn't be surprised if default Shep sold Legion to Cerberus. If this is the case, I think Tali will be pretty much guaranteed safe, since the quarians and the geth might be important in ME3.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Considering that the default Shep for ME2 had the "Everyone that could die, did die" policy. I guess ME3 default Shep will only have 4 survivors from the suicide mission. And with either a renegade conclusion to their loyalty mission or their LM was never done in the first place.

[kazumasoju]

 Jack and Samara both mentioned leaving, so they might be on the chop block too. 

My Samara actually initially said she may be leaving but then as the game went on told me that she will be there whenever i call even after the mission was over so I think its really just about how you played the game. As the game progresses you begin to notice many of the characters stating that they are loyal to shepard and not cerberus 
and even with miranda at the end(SPOILER) when she resigns her self from cerberus. I really think as this is the last game and the fact that it is Bioware everything will really be based upon choice who returns to the team in the end. Even the previous squad mates.

[Wurf]

kazumasoju wrote...

My Samara actually initially said she may be leaving but then as the game went on told me that she will be there whenever i call even after the mission was over so I think its really just about how you played the game. As the game progresses you begin to notice many of the characters stating that they are loyal to shepard and not cerberus 
and even with miranda at the end(SPOILER) when she resigns her self from cerberus. I really think as this is the last game and the fact that it is Bioware everything will really be based upon choice who returns to the team in the end. Even the previous squad mates.

Indeed, but they only develop that loyalty to Shepard if he/she gets to know them. The thing with Default!Shep is that he/she doesn't take the time to get to know anyone.

[Fiery Phoenix]

On-topic, I'm actually very interested to see the decisions of the default Shepard in ME3. Particularly when it comes to who lives and dies. Part of me thinks we will get to choose from the 12 squadmates, where those who are chosen are considered alive. But I doubt it.

[Sergeant Conley]

The OP mentions four being a baseline for the number of characters who die on the suicide mission. This number could possibly exclude Zaeed and Kasumi entirely, since they're optional.

I think Thane would die in an Unimported Shepard file because Redemption Equals Death. As for the argument that he'd likely survive due to being a possible romance option, in the case of an Unimported Shepard that wouldn't make any difference unless you could romance him again in ME3.

Jack and Samara seem like likely casualties to me. One has no connections to anyone or anything, is highly reckless, but comes around to respect Commander Shepard by the time of the suicide mission in a decent bit of character development, assuming you don't take advantage of her (which seems just too Renegade to me for a brand new Shepard). Somehow the combination of these factors spell "demise" to me.

As for Samara, she has a bit of The Atoner in her. And as with Thane, Atoners are very likely to become victims to RED.

Jacob's a soldier The Hero becomes friendly with. That alone makes him a prime candidate for dying while Storming the Castle.

That's four of the "original" squadmates right there, but a case could also be argued for Mordin either replacing one of them or being a fifth. He's an Atoner after all, and perhaps a case could even be made for him being Too Cool to Live. That last bit also applies to Thane.

If we include the DLC characters, though, here's a more in-depth theory for Zaeed dying in an Unimported Shepard file: he's an utter badass who's mission with Shepard was gonna be his One Last Job. And what happens to badasses who go on One Last Job? Death by Retirony. Well, if they're not The Hero, anyways, but Zaeed's definitely not The Hero. But like Mordin and Thane, he might be TCtL.

Kasumi...yeah, I can't think of anything other than her pure optionality.

Those are all my picks for characters who'll likely be dead in a brand new Shepard profile.

Modifié par Sergeant Conley, 23 janvier 2011 - 06:20 .

[AntiChri5]

You kill off both the biotic specialists. As a matter of fact, all of the biotics except Miranda.

That squad is way too unbalanced.

[Sergeant Conley]

AntiChri5 wrote...

You kill off both the biotic specialists. As a matter of fact, all of the biotics except Miranda.
That squad is way too unbalanced.

*shrugs*

What's not to say we don't meet and recruit new characters in ME3 that fill out the vacant roles? True, some might be tired of that after ME2, but it's still a potential outcome.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Hmm, reevaluating my prior approximation. The 14% statistic would be more likely against every file registered. Under the assumption that date compiled only accounts for each person's initial playthrough. A good estimation is 2,000,000*14%. Basically, if such were the case, virtually no one would have lost their squad. Even if every file ever played was registered. The results would still overwhelmingly suggest few people lost their team.

This is somewhat intriguing as the default choice could well suggest the entire cast's return based on the aforementioned statistics.

[Bourne Endeavor]

AntiChri5 wrote...

You kill off both the biotic specialists. As a matter of fact, all of the biotics except Miranda.
That squad is way too unbalanced.

Simple solution. BioWare introduces three new characters; Vanguard, Infiltrator and Sentinel. These three are plot relevant and provide balance in a similar capacity to Mass Effect. In the event a default does result in all prior teammates dying. You have four characters to choose from. An import would merely bolster your ranks and the content of the game. New players would have no invested interest in the previous cast and the existing fanbase would import them in.