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[Xilizhra]

If you get a bunch of possibilities for allies in ME3, but can only choose so many of them... would you choose Cerberus as one of them? Why/why not?

[ratzerman]

My Shepard is a loyal Alliance Marine, so I hated working for Cerberus. I would definitely not want them as ally.



I'm hoping I'll be able to go back to the Alliance in ME3.

[Encarmine]

My Shepard is the total opposet to Ratzerman, and would 100% work with Cerberus, why?

Miranda, Joker and the SR2 are all connected to them. And at the end of the day, my canon shepard is thankfull he got brought back to life by them. And I want to see what they did with the Collector Base...

[realgangsta123]

Blew up the base, have no intenion of working with them. It's quite obvious where the illusive mans' true intenions lie and besides i think if you blow up the base and quit with cerberus you'll get much more races on your side because they trust you

[STG]

Depends on the options.



I think I would choose Liara over Cerberus for intel. Main reason would be because I can fully trust Liara unlike TIM who loves keeping things in the dark too much.

[xedgorex]

I plan on doing another playthrough in the vein of Jarlaxle and bregan d aerthe, so i'm going to be semi loyal to Cerberus and keep the base but never fully trust them, hopefully there will be options in ME3 that allow you to actually respond to anything they do instead of "oh well that sucks fool"

[Someone With Mass]

Wasn't Cerberus pretty much bankrupt at the end of Retribution?



Maybe not bankrupt, but I don't think they can compete with other factions like the Alliance anymore.

[Interactive Civilian]

Similar to the second post, my canon Shepard (a femShep, fwiw) is a loyal Council SpecTRe, despite the Council all but turning their backs on her (recap: I saved the Council in ME1, chose Anderson as human Councilor, and then got their provisional "stick to the Terminus Systems" reinstatement of SpecTRe status).

During the SpecTRe induction in ME1, the Turian Councilor said, "SpecTRes bear a great burden. They are protectors of galactic peace, both our first and last line of defense. The safety of the Galaxy is theirs to uphold." Idealistic as it may be, my Shepard takes that very seriously. She holds it as oath and duty. As far as and as long as the Alliance is in line with that, she is also loyal to the Alliance. And, as long as there are men like Admiral Hackett and Captain Anderson in high ranking positions in the Alliance, I'm pretty sure the Alliance is an ally.

I have no doubt that Cerberus is willing to destroy any possibility of interspecies Galactic peace (which, granted, may be an impossible ideal) if it means setting up Human dominance. Given their current history, even only in game stuff with experiments with husks and seeking to dominate the Geth with project Overlord, I have no doubt that they are won't balk at strategies which can compromise the safety of the Galaxy while trying to find means to their own ends (it's even worse if you figure in the content of the books, which I'm not sure can be counted as metagaming, as you can buy the books in the cafe on the Citadel ).

I will use what I can from Cerberus as long as it is to my advantage and inline with my canon Shepard's ideals, but I will not hesitate to stand with the galaxy against them if it comes down to that.

Yes, naive and idealistic Interactive Civilian is naive and idealistic.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 23 janvier 2011 - 03:57 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Against the Reapers? I'd ally with the Batarians as well, if they'd be open to it.

[Zulu_DFA]

ratzerman wrote...

My Shepard is a loyal Alliance Marine, so I hated working for Cerberus. I would definitely not want them as ally.

I'm hoping I'll be able to go back to the Alliance in ME3.

My Shepard is a loyal Alliance Marine too. And he regards the work in Cerberus as a direct continuation of his service to the Alliance. And he enjoys it a lot more than his assignment as a Council spectre.

[Interactive Civilian]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Against the Reapers? I'd ally with the Batarians as well, if they'd be open to it.

Heh. I almost always give Batarians a chance. I always save the sick one near the beginning of Mordin's recruitment mission, I let the ones who were threatening Mordin's assistant go as promised, and in BDtS, I sweet-talk Balak's minions into walking away. I also let Balak go, though I do that because I thought it was more important to save the hostages, and I don't expect any good will to come of it from him. I'll gladly kill or capture him if the opportunity arises, unless he undergoes a major personality realignment. I even tipped off Aria's guard about Ish, though that was more about not going against Aria than anything else (I was annoyed that there was no possibility to talk to her about Ish looking for information against her). I have no loyalty to Aria, but I think having her good (or at least neutral) will is better than getting on her bad side. I can't help but wonder if Omega, being an old Reaper structure, will have some big part to play in ME3.

Anyway, I doubt all of those little things will have any effect on the big picture, but I like to think that, in the ME universe, word gets around about them. I highly doubt Bioware will pay attention to such small details, so those things really only meant scoring some Paragon points as far as the game is concerned. But, in character, I like to think they might be pebbles which start the landslide that turns around Batarian policy.

As I said above, naive and idealistic Interactive Civilian is naive and idealistic.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 23 janvier 2011 - 04:19 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wasn't Cerberus pretty much bankrupt at the end of Retribution?

That's what you want. But the rumors of Cerberus demise are greatly exaggerated.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Maybe not bankrupt, but I don't think they can compete with other factions like the Alliance anymore.

And where the hell do they "compete" with the Alliance?

[Sidac]

Yes i would ally with them if at all possible.

[Zulu_DFA]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Heh. I almost always give Batarians a chance.

Why don't you give Cerberus a chance?

[Fixers0]

I Really hope to get rid of Cerberus once and for all.

I will be doing the world a favor.

Modifié par Fixers0, 23 janvier 2011 - 04:20 .

[Jeff1946]

Blew up the Base, i dont trust Cerberus after what they did in ME1.

[STG]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Heh. I almost always give Batarians a chance.

Why don't you give Cerberus a chance?

Some people call it roleplaying.

[Interactive Civilian]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Heh. I almost always give Batarians a chance.

Why don't you give Cerberus a chance?

Because Cerberus has made their intentions very clear, and I don't doubt their resolve. As long as the Illusive Man is running Cerberus, it won't change. Cerberus's goals and my goals are at odds. Cerberus blew any chance they had by doing any and all of the following: killing my team with Thresher Maws on Akuze, doing the same to Admiral Kohoku's men on whatever planet that was, killing Admiral Kohoku for getting in the way, experimenting (on humans, mind you) with husks and with the thorian to make creepers (Exogeni is a Cerberus front, isn't it, and Feros was yet another Cerberus experiment on trying to control fire too big to control), trying to create a private army of rachni "shock troops", trying to take control of the Geth for their own purposes, finding the derelict Reaper and keeping it a secret so they could try to gain an advantage from it, setting up Horizon to be attacked by leaking information about me to the Alliance, setting me up to walk blindly into a trap on the Collector ship, doing what they did to Jack and who knows how many dead child biotics, and so on. And, that's just in the game. Add in the stuff from the books, and they are no better.

Cerberus needs to show me that they deserve a chance. And this coming from a canon Shepard whose parents were killed by Batarian slavers. Now, she won't hesitate to kill slavers, but she's also willing to deal with folks on a case by case basis. The individual Batarians I've saved were no threat and/or were willing to listen to reason*. The Illusive Man has made his case. And I am against him.

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* I equate the game mechanics and dialog options giving me a chance to talk my way out of a situation to those people I'm dealing with being willing to listen to reason. If the game doesn't present the option, then I interpret it as no chance to reason.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 23 janvier 2011 - 04:52 .

[Someone With Mass]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And where the hell do they "compete" with the Alliance?

As in, being useful. Cerberus kept screwing up even when they had huge amounts of resources. Now that they don't, why should I waste my time on such losers?

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Against the Reapers? I'd ally with the Batarians as well, if they'd be open to it.

The point is that the number of allies that you can gather is smaller than the number of potential allies you have. You'd have to be choosing Cerberus instead of someone else.

[Lvl20DM]

I'm curious what role Cerberus will play in ME3. The Geth were a big part of ME1, but a minor part of the second game. Cerberus, after suffering the substantial (though not crippling) setbacks in Retribution might have a similarly reduced role. I'm assuming at this point that Shep's primary intel/mission provider will be Liara in ME3. Will Cerberus return to a more antagonistic role, or will they remain a somewhat untrustworthy ally?

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Against the Reapers? I'd ally with the Batarians as well, if they'd be open to it.

The point is that the number of allies that you can gather is smaller than the number of potential allies you have. You'd have to be choosing Cerberus instead of someone else.

Why?

Are the Council Species suddenly going to refuse to fight or coordinate because they're asked to deal with a group they don't like or who doesn't like it?

Will the Batarian Hegemony refuse to work with the galaxy simply because the Migrant Fleet rallied first?

Is the Rachni Queen going to defect to the Reapers because Cerberus got recruited?

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And where the hell do they "compete" with the Alliance?

As in, being useful. Cerberus kept screwing up even when they had huge amounts of resources. Now that they don't, why should I waste my time on such losers?

First off, they aren't permanently out of resources. They're weakened at the point of Retribution, but they'll be rebuilding again in the period of until the Reapers get here. They aren't now and forever weak or crippled. They weren't utterly cripped in Retribution either: it's the different from stumbling and recovering from a haymaker and falling to the mat.


Secondly, Cerberus's utility was always in a different field from the Alliance. The Alliance has fleets, Cerberus does not, but that doesn't mean that Cerberus doesn't have anything to offer, or that it can be entirely ignorred.


The reasons why you should 'waste your time' with Cerberus is for similar reasons that you wasted your time on them before: they still have a top-tier intelligence network, they still maintain and pursue high-value research projects that can benefit you, they still have an impressive network of operatives and companies to provide various resources, and most importantly they have the motivation and willingness to act, and act far sooner and with an eye for the places were critical small efforts can pay off big time.

[Interactive Civilian]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The reasons why you should 'waste your time' with Cerberus is for similar reasons that you wasted your time on them before: they still have a top-tier intelligence network, they still maintain and pursue high-value research projects that can benefit you, they still have an impressive network of operatives and companies to provide various resources, and most importantly they have the motivation and willingness to act, and act far sooner and with an eye for the places were critical small efforts can pay off big time.

Nicely summarized, and despite all of my Cerberus hate above, this is precisely while I'll work with them as long as it serves my purposes and doesn't threaten my goals. However, I have no intention of serving their purposes.

[jbblue05]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why?

Are the Council Species suddenly going to refuse to fight or coordinate because they're asked to deal with a group they don't like or who doesn't like it?

Will the Batarian Hegemony refuse to work with the galaxy simply because the Migrant Fleet rallied first?

Is the Rachni Queen going to defect to the Reapers because Cerberus got recruited?

This.

That kiind of argument from Cerberus haters makes no sense.at all.
Why would people rather have the Reapers kill them than work with Cerberus to stop them?

Modifié par jbblue05, 23 janvier 2011 - 05:15 .