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[Sbri]

I had a romance with all three and have stayed loyal to all three. When I wanted to try an ME2 romance (so far just Garrus and Jack), I imported a non-romanced character. I can't abide cheating, even in fiction.

Modifié par Sbri, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:08 .

[Iakus]

Stayed with Ash.

Even if Bioware has lost faith in Ashley and Kaiden.  I still believe.

[Fiery Phoenix]

iakus wrote...

Stayed with Ash.

Even if Bioware has lost faith in Ashley and Kaiden.  I still believe.

This.

I romanced Thane with my FemShep, however. But that's it.

[Lunatic LK47]

Default Shepard (Council dead): Broke up with Ashley, staying with Miranda

Default Shepard (Saved Council): Staying loyal to Ashley.

Female Soldier 1 (Council dead): Broke up with Kaidan, may go for Jacob.

Female Soldier 1 (Saved Council): Not sure yet, since I am very doubful any sane woman would actually stay with Kaidan if she were in Shepard's shoes.

Female Soldier 2 (both endings): Staying with Garrus, didn't romance anyone in ME1

Female Infiltrator (Council dead): Romancing Thane

Female Infiltrator (Saved Council): Romancing Garrus

Male infiltrator (Dead Council): Going for Jack, no ME1 romance

Male infiltrator (Saved Council): Going for Miranda (no ME1 romance)

Male Soldier (Spacer/War Hero/Council Dead): Going for Tali, Liara romanced

Male Soldier (Spacer/War Hero/Council Saved): Staying faithful with Liara.

[raynbow]

no i'm sure lots of people stayed loyal.
i however did not, considering kaidan was pretty much a huge douche on horizon.
i decided i would rather not be with him anymore and i told everyone (kelly) that we were through.
i romanced thane :3

Modifié par raynbow, 24 janvier 2011 - 05:05 .

[jeweledleah]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Female Soldier 1 (Saved Council): Not sure yet, since I am very doubful any sane woman would actually stay with Kaidan if she were in Shepard's shoes.

/rant

I suppose I'm certifiable then.

seriously, Kaidan's reaction and he's subsequent letter make sence.  2 years has passed, Shep never attempted to contact him (to his knowledge) so there he was mourning for 2 years and there she is, alive and well, she's with a terrorist organization who's operations they have been systematicaly destroying 2 years prior - even someone as controlled as Kaidan would have a fit.  He's an alliance solder through and through, the only reason he lets go as much on Ilos was becasue he though there was a real possibility of them dying.  He follows her order on normandy to deal with the crew while she deals with Joker despite obviously not wanting to, becasue there's only so much insubordination he can manage.

His letter?  the foundation of everything he believes in is crumbling under him, but he canot just leave things as they are, so he says..something.  its pretty obvious from the letter that he's still raw, still hurt, but he's trying.  and its pretty obvious that loved, past tence, was him trying to convince himself.

I guess I'm nuts, but I woudln't be able to abandon a relationship after one, albeit serious, argument after being only few months apart. I don't operate on one strike and you're out rule (unless its infidelity or physical abuse).   I can understand why someone else might feel different, I suppose, people have varrying degrees of tollerance and patience, but I wouldn't claim that someone was insane becasue they didn't believe in second chances and getting past their anger to try and figure things out

/end rant

[close2myheart]

jeweledleah wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Female Soldier 1 (Saved Council): Not sure yet, since I am very doubful any sane woman would actually stay with Kaidan if she were in Shepard's shoes.

/rant

I suppose I'm certifiable then.

seriously, Kaidan's reaction and he's subsequent letter make sence.  2 years has passed, Shep never attempted to contact him (to his knowledge) so there he was mourning for 2 years and there she is, alive and well, she's with a terrorist organization who's operations they have been systematicaly destroying 2 years prior - even someone as controlled as Kaidan would have a fit.  He's an alliance solder through and through, the only reason he lets go as much on Ilos was becasue he though there was a real possibility of them dying.  He follows her order on normandy to deal with the crew while she deals with Joker despite obviously not wanting to, becasue there's only so much insubordination he can manage.

His letter?  the foundation of everything he believes in is crumbling under him, but he canot just leave things as they are, so he says..something.  its pretty obvious from the letter that he's still raw, still hurt, but he's trying.  and its pretty obvious that loved, past tence, was him trying to convince himself.

I guess I'm nuts, but I woudln't be able to abandon a relationship after one, albeit serious, argument after being only few months apart. I don't operate on one strike and you're out rule (unless its infidelity or physical abuse).   I can understand why someone else might feel different, I suppose, people have varrying degrees of tollerance and patience, but I wouldn't claim that someone was insane becasue they didn't believe in second chances and getting past their anger to try and figure things out

/end rant

Yeah, what Jeweledleah said I also love Kaidan because he's very much in control of his emotions, calm & collected. He pretty much pulled my femshep's heart strings and that's that, my Shep stayed single through out ME2 because to her Kaidan's worth the wait

[Lunatic LK47]

jeweledleah wrote...


seriously, Kaidan's reaction and he's subsequent letter make sence.  2 years has passed, Shep never attempted to contact him (to his knowledge) so there he was mourning for 2 years and there she is, alive and well, she's with a terrorist organization who's operations they have been systematicaly destroying 2 years prior - even someone as controlled as Kaidan would have a fit.  He's an alliance solder through and through, the only reason he lets go as much on Ilos was becasue he though there was a real possibility of them dying.  He follows her order on normandy to deal with the crew while she deals with Joker despite obviously not wanting to, becasue there's only so much insubordination he can manage.

True, he may have been an Alliance soldier through and through, Ilos alone should have let Kaidan give Shepard the benefit of the doubt on Shepard working for Cerberus and already spent all that time with her on the Normandy to know she wouldn't join for the LULZ. The only other thing I'm pissed about is that the whole conflict just screamed ******-poor writing when the writers just dictated that both parties are written as morons for the sake of having conflict.

His letter?  the foundation of everything he believes in is crumbling under him, but he canot just leave things as they are, so he says..something.  its pretty obvious from the letter that he's still raw, still hurt, but he's trying.  and its pretty obvious that loved, past tence, was him trying to convince himself.

I'm a bit lost, is this referring to the Alliance's inability to act against the Collectors? Makes me wonder why the hell he didn't bother continuing the Reaper investigation.

I guess I'm nuts, but I woudln't be able to abandon a relationship after one, albeit serious, argument after being only few months apart. I don't operate on one strike and you're out rule (unless its infidelity or physical abuse).   I can understand why someone else might feel different, I suppose, people have varrying degrees of tollerance and patience, but I wouldn't claim that someone was insane becasue they didn't believe in second chances and getting past their anger to try and figure things out

No hard feelings in that department, and I understand your side on this. Like you said, there are varying degrees of tolerance and patience. With me, it might make me years just to forgive someone.

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:32 .

[Selenora]

jeweledleah wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Female Soldier 1 (Saved Council): Not sure yet, since I am very doubful any sane woman would actually stay with Kaidan if she were in Shepard's shoes.

/rant

I suppose I'm certifiable then.

seriously, Kaidan's reaction and he's subsequent letter make sence.  2 years has passed, Shep never attempted to contact him (to his knowledge) so there he was mourning for 2 years and there she is, alive and well, she's with a terrorist organization who's operations they have been systematicaly destroying 2 years prior - even someone as controlled as Kaidan would have a fit.  He's an alliance solder through and through, the only reason he lets go as much on Ilos was becasue he though there was a real possibility of them dying.  He follows her order on normandy to deal with the crew while she deals with Joker despite obviously not wanting to, becasue there's only so much insubordination he can manage.

His letter?  the foundation of everything he believes in is crumbling under him, but he canot just leave things as they are, so he says..something.  its pretty obvious from the letter that he's still raw, still hurt, but he's trying.  and its pretty obvious that loved, past tence, was him trying to convince himself.

I guess I'm nuts, but I woudln't be able to abandon a relationship after one, albeit serious, argument after being only few months apart. I don't operate on one strike and you're out rule (unless its infidelity or physical abuse).   I can understand why someone else might feel different, I suppose, people have varrying degrees of tollerance and patience, but I wouldn't claim that someone was insane becasue they didn't believe in second chances and getting past their anger to try and figure things out

/end rant

That.

Modifié par Selenora, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .

[jeweledleah]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

True, he may have been an Alliance soldier through and through, but that alone should have let Kaidan give Shepard the benefit of the doubt on Shepard working with Cerberus. The only other thing I'm pissed about is that the whole conflict just screamed ******-poor writing when the writers just dictated that both parties are written as morons for the sake of it.

when you just went through a pretty traumatic event of being paralyzed and helplessly watching as the people you came to protect are being taken away by weird alience, but you manage to somehow shake it off only to come face to face wit ha ghost, someone you thought was dead, someone you thought loved you and yet even as you started hearing some rumors - didn't contact you.  Are you going to be calm and reasonable, or are you going to say things without thinking?  we have Kaidan, the regulations guy - hugging shepard, not even caring about people around them.  

I'm a bit lost, is this referring to the Alliance's inability to act against the Collectors? Makes me wonder why the hell he didn't bother continuing the Reaper investigation.

we know that Anderson believes Shep about Reaper threat.  We know that Kaidan is working on classified projects for Anderson.  We find Kaidan on a remote colony, outside of the alliance and citadel space, working on fortifying it.  we might not be hearing it outright, but I don't think Kaidan didn't bother.  He was there, with Shepard (and in case of my canon playthrough, he was quite litteraly standing behind Shepard when she talked to Vigil, and then fightning Saren/Sovereign beside her)  its precicely becasue he's a solder through and through that he's trying to go through the official channels, with Anderson.  he's no Garrus to go off on his own and create a vigilante team.  Kaidan never doubted Reaper threat.  but he's too conflicted and emotional (remember what happened last time Kaidan lost his cool, back at the biotic academy?) to get past the fact that someone who he thought was just as dedicated, just as loyal...is suddenly working for a terrorist organization (with, for - at that point there's no difference in his mind) 

No hard feelings in that department, and I understand your side on this. Like you said, there are varying degrees of tolerance and patience. With me, it might make me years just to forgive someone.

understandable   me, I don't write people off as easily, I don't let go unless I did my best to fix whatever issues have cropped up, but once I write someone off, its forever.  no forgiveness happening.  different strokes, all sane in their own way

[Selenora]

jeweledleah wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

True, he may have been an Alliance soldier through and through, but that alone should have let Kaidan give Shepard the benefit of the doubt on Shepard working with Cerberus. The only other thing I'm pissed about is that the whole conflict just screamed ******-poor writing when the writers just dictated that both parties are written as morons for the sake of it.

when you just went through a pretty traumatic event of being paralyzed and helplessly watching as the people you came to protect are being taken away by weird alience, but you manage to somehow shake it off only to come face to face wit ha ghost, someone you thought was dead, someone you thought loved you and yet even as you started hearing some rumors - didn't contact you.  Are you going to be calm and reasonable, or are you going to say things without thinking?  we have Kaidan, the regulations guy - hugging shepard, not even caring about people around them.  

I'm a bit lost, is this referring to the Alliance's inability to act against the Collectors? Makes me wonder why the hell he didn't bother continuing the Reaper investigation.

we know that Anderson believes Shep about Reaper threat.  We know that Kaidan is working on classified projects for Anderson.  We find Kaidan on a remote colony, outside of the alliance and citadel space, working on fortifying it.  we might not be hearing it outright, but I don't think Kaidan didn't bother.  He was there, with Shepard (and in case of my canon playthrough, he was quite litteraly standing behind Shepard when she talked to Vigil, and then fightning Saren/Sovereign beside her)  its precicely becasue he's a solder through and through that he's trying to go through the official channels, with Anderson.  he's no Garrus to go off on his own and create a vigilante team.  Kaidan never doubted Reaper threat.  but he's too conflicted and emotional (remember what happened last time Kaidan lost his cool, back at the biotic academy?) to get past the fact that someone who he thought was just as dedicated, just as loyal...is suddenly working for a terrorist organization (with, for - at that point there's no difference in his mind) 

No hard feelings in that department, and I understand your side on this. Like you said, there are varying degrees of tolerance and patience. With me, it might make me years just to forgive someone.

understandable   me, I don't write people off as easily, I don't let go unless I did my best to fix whatever issues have cropped up, but once I write someone off, its forever.  no forgiveness happening.  different strokes, all sane in their own way

Did i mention i love you?

[Bogsnot1]

I have loyal playthroughs, single playthroughs, swinger playthroughs, you name it.

[Sammuthegreat]

My main Shep stayed loyal to Liara, despite the lure of Miranda's... talents. Some of my Sheps cheated though. One of them is a womaniser, so he's done every romance option possible.

[Estelindis]

As you can see from the other responses here, you're far from the only one. My main Shepard stayed loyal to Kaidan (and in solidarity I won't even get any of the romance achievements with any other Sheps). You'll find a lot of people like yourself and myself in the Ashley, Kaidan and Liara support threads.

[robtheguru]

Robert Shepard (my canon Shep) stayed loyal to Liara.



However, my many other Shepards (spawned from the same ME1 savefile) cheated on her with every one of the possible female LI's.

[Jenova65]

I am loyal to Kaidan, I am finishing my first playthrough on PS3 and thought the interactive comic would make it easy to have a single Shep, but no, apparently even 'comic book Kaidan', is irresistible to my Shepard.......

I have one cheating play through and will do a single play through (when I get up the strength to be Kaidan free.............. *not likely*) Because and only because, I want to experience the the three different story arcs, iyswim? Faithful, cheating and single.....

[mopotter]

Any of my Shepards who romanced Kaidan will st with him till they are dead. I liked his response on Horizon and I liked his e-mail. I wish we could have responded to it.



I will have one or two Shepards who move on but haven't gotten to them yet. They will have romanced Ash or Liars because while I like them, I can see moving on as a reasonable reaction and then will see what happens in ME3.

[Aslanasadi]

All my Shepards stay loyal to Kaidan.

[Jenova65]

mopotter wrote...

Any of my Shepards who romanced Kaidan will st with him till they are dead. I liked his response on Horizon and I liked his e-mail. I wish we could have responded to it.

I will have one or two Shepards who move on but haven't gotten to them yet. They will have romanced Ash or Liars because while I like them, I can see moving on as a reasonable reaction and then will see what happens in ME3.

Actually, I was really paying attention on my current play through (first play on the PS3) and he is so passionate and has clearly been aching for two years for this woman............ And then the email... Well he is an amazing man, loyal and single minded about love. You would know you were being loved! It made me wonder why we all get so upset by Horizon, he puts all his cards on the table, he tells her exactly where he is at, she however................... <_<

[frylock23]

Of my four characters, three are loyal to Kaidan and the fourth romanced him in the first game but left him on Virmire. I'm saving that last playthrough until I find out more about ME3. If they put new romances into ME3, I'll run her through ME2 as a single Shep (call her TragedyShep) and explore the new options. If they don't, I plan to run her through ME2 and get up the gumption to romance Garrus (he's just too much my little brother for me to want to hop into bed with him; even flirting with him feels vaguely incestuous).

I also don't blame Kaidan for Horizon.  His anger is justified.  I just wish the game's writing had allowed for a more intelligent reunion.  The best I can do is pick the option that tells me that I'm saying I've been unconscious for two years, but the actual dialogue does a pretty poor job of explaining it.

I want a scene where we really get the chance to explain what's been going on with our Sheps.  It was a long two years for Kaidan, and my Sheps are just starting that two year process.

Modifié par frylock23, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:41 .

[Neria Rose]

Clearly by the above responses, you're not the only one. But I'm not one of said "loyal" folks. I still don't believe it's cheating when someone has died and been brought back to life. The old LI should have moved on, the relationship was -over- the moment Shepard's heart stopped beating.



Anyway, romanced Kaidan in ME1 and mostly Garrus with the occasional Thane (and now Jacob) in ME2. Haven't decided for sure yet whether I'll have a loyal PT, though I will eventually play a single Shep through ME1 so she's drama-free for Garrus.

[frylock23]

"The old LI should have moved on, the relationship was -over- the moment Shepard's heart stopped beating."



For the LI, yes, but for Shep, it hasn't been nearly that long. It's been like Shep went to sleep and woke up. You don't mark time while you're unconscious. If there was a strong, emotional attachment prior to Shep's death, the wound will still be raw/fresh for Shep because there hasn't been time to get over it. I guess then it depends on how quickly your Shep recovers from a bad break up, but I know it takes me a while. Any romancing my Sheps would do in ME2 would feel more a like a rebound than anything real or lasting making it seem cheap. So, I tend to stay loyal; it just feels wrong otherwise.

[Neria Rose]

frylock23 wrote...

"The old LI should have moved on, the relationship was -over- the moment Shepard's heart stopped beating."

For the LI, yes, but for Shep, it hasn't been nearly that long. It's been like Shep went to sleep and woke up. You don't mark time while you're unconscious. If there was a strong, emotional attachment prior to Shep's death, the wound will still be raw/fresh for Shep because there hasn't been time to get over it. I guess then it depends on how quickly your Shep recovers from a bad break up, but I know it takes me a while. Any romancing my Sheps would do in ME2 would feel more a like a rebound than anything real or lasting making it seem cheap. So, I tend to stay loyal; it just feels wrong otherwise.

I wouldn't call it a bad break up so much as an unexpected one. My Shep liked Kaidan but wasn't in love with him. And she'd been pining for Garrus throughout ME1 regardless. So she got over it very quickly. Let me also say Horizon played no part in my Shepard moving on. She had moved on prior to that. And I don't think the ME1 LI's reaction on Horizon was unwarranted.

But yeah, the point is that it's not cheating.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:57 .

[Jade5233]

I have 4 different Shepards--2 female and 2 male. Not one of them has had a ME2 romance. Mostly its on principle. The devs implied that the ME2 LI's were more compelling than the ME1 LI's. So I want to make a statement that they are not, IMO. One male Shep was loyal to Liara. One (who didn't have a ME1 playthrough) won't romance anyone.

As far as my femSheps, I think that Kaidan is the best choice in general. He's everything that a man should be (although perhaps a little more spontineity would be good). Who needs anything more? So they are loyal.

I have one more femShep in the works in ME1. And I'll play her in ME2 when we're getting close to ME3 and with her, I'll have her cheat on Kaidan--just to see how it changes the story and the dynamic, not because I liked any of the ME2 characters. It will likely be with Thane. If Garrus showed ONE ONCE of sympathy after Horizon for my femSheps perhaps I'd feel differently. But he blows her off. I cna't get past that. When she needed her friend the most, he didn't make time for her. So not Garrus. Never Garrus.

[phantomdragoness]

I have never really liked Kaidan. Why? Stick a lump of coal up his butt, and in two weeks you'd have a diamond. But I digress from the topic.

I did try to romance Kaidan. The flirting was cute, and when he told me about his first love, I did go: "Aww..." However, if it was not for the mission to Ilos, I do not think Kaidan would have tumbled with my Shepard. He goes by the book, and the fact that he was willing to overstep his boundaries a little was proof that Kaidan is willing to try.

Shepard + Kaidan - Ilos = No sex = So...what are we?

Granted, sex is not that important, but damn does it help.

Then Shepard dies and Kaidan is all broken apart over his lost limb. Okay. I can completely understand. Two years have passed and boom, there's his arm, leg, whatever, standing in front of him, saying: "Kaidan! How have you been?" Even I flinched at the phrase, but what can someone say after such a catastrophe? Kaidan flips...kinda...and jumps all down her throat. Even if Shep tries to explain, Kaidan practically calls her a liar, and a traitor. He's bloody had sex with this woman, he should know her better than anyone, meaning he should know what she is doing is for the good of the galaxy. Even Kaidan agreed in ME that the council was not behind them 100%, and they should keep their vows to protect the galaxy even if it meant breaking them. Heck, I'm sure he was horrified when the Alliance used Shepard's image for recruitment ads, and THEN they covered up the entire Soverign attack on the Citadel. Kaidan was upset with the Council and Udina when they locked down the Normandy. So, why is he so eager to believe in the Alliance and the Council when they have done nothing but shoot down the entire opperation? He should believe Shepard, his love, over the bull****.

Two years was maybe a night to Shepard as she laid on the operating table. I tried to step into my Shepard's shoes and react in a believeable way. Shepard's heart is broken...very broken...because she still loves Kaidan, but he does not give her the benefit of the doubt - he does not trust her. (I have trust issues, so I was able to connect with my Shepard easily at this point.) Granted, she is working for a "terrorist" operation, and that warrents some questions. QUESTIONS, not accusations. If Kaidan still loves her as he quietly insinuates in his email, then he should not have treated her that way. The shock of her reappearance and the attack on the colony does add to his anger, but after thinking about it (and since my first Shepard is a projection of myself, I admit), my Shepard moved on. If someone can not trust her as they should if they are in love, then she should not bother worrying over it, especially when that person refuses to listen. Plus, she can not ask Kaidan to feel the way she does about him - it has been two years, and he said that he has moved on. She is not going to hold her breath, even over the confused email he sent. Shepard is going to continue her mission, and if she finds someone special, who still trusts her after all these years, then so be it. It is not cheating if a couple is broken up...and dying is technically breaking up.

Some people say that some of the fault should go to Shepard. So...what...blame her for dying?

I am not saying that Shepard is a saint. She's human, and so is Kaidan. Mistakes are made, and maybe starting the relationship was too much for both of them to handle. Maybe my Shepard and Kaidan are not that compatable, and the heat of the battlefield got their hormones going. But the issues of trust, and Kaidan's reaction are preventing my Shepard from being "faithful."

But hey...the priiize.


Side note: I do think Kaidan is an intersting character. He is just not my cup of tea as a person.

Jade5233
If Garrus showed ONE ONCE of sympathy after Horizon for my femSheps
perhaps I'd feel differently. But he blows her off. I cna't get past
that. When she needed her friend the most, he didn't make time for her.
So not Garrus. Never Garrus.

I can understand. However, I believe that's just Garrus trying to respect your private life. He does not bring his into the working enviroment, and I think he expects everyone else to do the same. That's a turian for yah.

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 24 janvier 2011 - 05:38 .