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[Ibanez2009]

The Male default Shepard which I will use for ME 3 stayed with Liara. The other ones.. well I have one faithful to Ashley and one to Kaidan. As for the rest.. well, the curiosity got the best of me hehe

[R-F]

I was loyal to Ash for one of my Sheps. But the other cheated on Liara with basically all the women on the ship



The Shep that stayed with Ash is my main one though and will thus be the one I carry over. Lets hope we don't get screwed again.

[jeweledleah]

wall of text incoming (I tend to angst about characters I care about )



you know I can totally understand the reasoning behind "I only liked him in ME1 so him blowing him off is breaking up with me" and I can understand breaking up because this person you love doesn't trust you and accuses you of lying. and yeah, of not for Ilos, Kaidan wouldn't have approached Shep when he did. instead they would have kept building up the relationship, kept flirting and Shep would most likely make the first move. But the thing is, the whole resurrection thing is pretty preposterous. Even with all the scientific advancements of the time, its still something that people accept as impossible. so she faked her death then? for what? to join Cerberus? why isn't he told. he's the same rank as her now, he has a serious security clearance and still he's not told? rumors start flying that she's back, he might even hear that she was heading to citadel and yet...not a pip from her to him?



he is in shock, he's raw so he reacts wrongly. My shep was angry too until that letter and she's not completely recovered, but because I played her as actually in love with Kaidan rather then mild flirtation with a handsome marine, she pushes her anger aside until they have a chance to talk more.



early in my marriage, when my hub and I were still getting used to living together we had couple of blowouts. huge arguments complete with slammed doors, shouted accusations, and hurtful words we didn't really mean. I'd stalk off into the night to cool off, or he would. we'd fume, contemplate divorce and then after calming down some, we'd come back..and talk and figure it out. and apologize for the hurtful words. sometimes it took several days for us to resolve it, and that's while living together. haven't argued like that in a long long time, but we've figured it out at this point and learned to express ourselves better.



Neither Shep nor Kaidan had a chance to grow that way. neither of them even had a chance to apologize and talk face to face, they didn't even have much of a chance to have a full blown argument (Shep, even knowing that Kaidan was on Horizon, was in too much shock between relief that he was still alive and not taken and hurt from his accusations, and the fact that she had to keep face in front of her still budding team). She's angry and hurt, but she didn't have a chance to fall out of love and the letter was his first step, enough of an olive branch to put it aside for now and deal with it when there was time. the thought of rebounding didn't even cross her mind.



A lot of the choices and reactions depend on how you play you Shepard, including just how deeply she feels about Kaidan. the dialogue doesn't give enough options to express every possible range of emotions and I have to say what my Shep says to Kelly pissed me off. here I am, picking an option that I still care about Kaidan, and what comes out of her mouth is that she just didn't like saying goodbye? not even going to mention Joker dialogue >_>



it might not be precisely cheating to move on, but emotionally speaking..its different depending on personalities involved.



P.S. I have a variety of Sheps, some I made specifically for ME2 romance, so they don't go for ME1 options (except for my tragic James Bond, I mean Shepard ) and one who's my Jean Luc Picard, in other words someone who might harbor an attraction but will not act on it, because he's even more of a regulations guy when it comes to his crew then Kaidan, so he'll be celibate unless something will happen in ME3 to change it.

[gogman25]

I'd never betray Liara...
I love you Liara...  *Tears trickle down cheek* WHY CAN'T YOU BE REAL?!

[phantomdragoness]

jeweledleah wrote...

wall of text incoming (I tend to angst about characters I care about )

you know I can totally understand the reasoning behind "I only liked him in ME1 so him blowing him off is breaking up with me" and I can understand breaking up because this person you love doesn't trust you and accuses you of lying. and yeah, of not for Ilos, Kaidan wouldn't have approached Shep when he did. instead they would have kept building up the relationship, kept flirting and Shep would most likely make the first move. But the thing is, the whole resurrection thing is pretty preposterous. Even with all the scientific advancements of the time, its still something that people accept as impossible. so she faked her death then? for what? to join Cerberus? why isn't he told. he's the same rank as her now, he has a serious security clearance and still he's not told? rumors start flying that she's back, he might even hear that she was heading to citadel and yet...not a pip from her to him?

he is in shock, he's raw so he reacts wrongly. My shep was angry too until that letter and she's not completely recovered, but because I played her as actually in love with Kaidan rather then mild flirtation with a handsome marine, she pushes her anger aside until they have a chance to talk more.

early in my marriage, when my hub and I were still getting used to living together we had couple of blowouts. huge arguments complete with slammed doors, shouted accusations, and hurtful words we didn't really mean. I'd stalk off into the night to cool off, or he would. we'd fume, contemplate divorce and then after calming down some, we'd come back..and talk and figure it out. and apologize for the hurtful words. sometimes it took several days for us to resolve it, and that's while living together. haven't argued like that in a long long time, but we've figured it out at this point and learned to express ourselves better.

Neither Shep nor Kaidan had a chance to grow that way. neither of them even had a chance to apologize and talk face to face, they didn't even have much of a chance to have a full blown argument (Shep, even knowing that Kaidan was on Horizon, was in too much shock between relief that he was still alive and not taken and hurt from his accusations, and the fact that she had to keep face in front of her still budding team). She's angry and hurt, but she didn't have a chance to fall out of love and the letter was his first step, enough of an olive branch to put it aside for now and deal with it when there was time. the thought of rebounding didn't even cross her mind.

A lot of the choices and reactions depend on how you play you Shepard, including just how deeply she feels about Kaidan. the dialogue doesn't give enough options to express every possible range of emotions and I have to say what my Shep says to Kelly pissed me off. here I am, picking an option that I still care about Kaidan, and what comes out of her mouth is that she just didn't like saying goodbye? not even going to mention Joker dialogue >_>

it might not be precisely cheating to move on, but emotionally speaking..its different depending on personalities involved.

P.S. I have a variety of Sheps, some I made specifically for ME2 romance, so they don't go for ME1 options (except for my tragic James Bond, I mean Shepard ) and one who's my Jean Luc Picard, in other words someone who might harbor an attraction but will not act on it, because he's even more of a regulations guy when it comes to his crew then Kaidan, so he'll be celibate unless something will happen in ME3 to change it.

Very true. It does differ on personalities - what I explained was how my Shepard felt, plus myself. I hate it when someone thinks you've done something wrong, and they won't give you a chance to explain.

But I can also understand why Shepard didn't message him as soon as she woke up: she was pretty much thrown into work, and with so much going on, she didn't think about it. I'm also sure she is trying to get a hold of the fact it has been TWO YEARS, and she was technically dead. (I hate that Bioware didn't delve more deeply into that issue.)

So yes, I can definitely understand why people would stay "faithful" to their ME1 love, but I can also understand why they wouldn't.

But I only romanced Kaidan to see what it was like.  I'm a player in ME1...but the priiize.

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:57 .

[Durontan]

Loyal to Liara, but that LotSB didn't come out I think I'd go and punch something silly.



I did pass the game multiple times do, so have a Shepard that did stay loyal, and one that didn't... and third one who sacrificed her love on Virmire [yes, 3rd one is female] (don't know bout you, but in my book, no matter what, saving more lives is a bigger issue, so I had to go save the ppl at the tower, and let my LI blow up with the bomb), after that... hey, I'm a free woman.

[AdmiralCheez]

I have a FemShep that stayed loyal to Liara and a ManShep that cheated on Ash with Miranda. I also have saves where I only 'manced someone in ME2 or no one at all. Variety is the spice of life, they say.

[darknoon5]

rynluna wrote...

Loyal to Liara

[jeweledleah]

phantomdragoness wrote...

But I can also understand why Shepard didn't message him as soon as she woke up: she was pretty much thrown into work, and with so much going on, she didn't think about it. I'm also sure she is trying to get a hold of the fact it has been TWO YEARS, and she was technically dead. (I hate that Bioware didn't delve more deeply into that issue.)

So yes, I can definitely understand why people would stay "faithful" to their ME1 love, but I can also understand why they wouldn't.

But I only romanced Kaidan to see what it was like.  I'm a player in ME1...but the priiize.

  my Shep is doubly angry becasue she actualy tried contacting Kaidan, bugged TIM first thing, first question to Joker was about Kaidan, first question to Anderson was about Kaidan) and all of them freaking stonewalled her.  yes, there's still an issue of her coming back from the dead (should have added some convo's with Dr. Chakwas about it IMO), which is why she can understand Kaidan's anger as well (once she stops beng too angry to see his point of view).  Not to mention she herself is angry as hell about having to work with Cerberus  (She's mostly paragon, but TIM brings out the worst of the renegade in her)

I'm hoping that the whole "staying faithful to your ME1 romance will result in a reward" is not just red herring by bioware. 

[Jenova65]

jeweledleah wrote...
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wall of text incoming (I tend to angst about characters I care about )

Very well thought out and reasoned post, I agree. I also think that BioWare credited it's audience with this kind of mature thinking approach and were maybe a bit surprised at all the pouting.....

Not that I think the pouting is unjustified, however.

When we watch a movie and relationships go through this kind of complication/break up/whatever we accept that it adds to the narrative. But with games there isn't a resolution to be found in a 2-3 hour slot like a movie. We also expect more as we have, ourselves, invested in the story and the romance, we are more committed than we just watch something because we have sent our character down this path. And two years is too long to expect people to wait on a satisfactory conclusion to this love especially when so many other people have what they want in the current game.

It is human nature to want a happy ending (for most people, anyway) I remember watching The Break Up (yes the clue might be in the name.....) and being very sad that it actually was a break up. My expectation at the beginning was that the break up would be the ground work for the story and the characters would find some way back to each other (yes I am a romantic)

I suspect that the Kaidan/Ash/Liara romancers are BioWare's romantic souls  The ones who believe that the true course of love doesn't run smooth and that it will all be alright in the end and that a quick fix will never beat a genuine connection. Not saying that the ME2 romances are wrong (but this topic isn't about them, iyswim?) I mean that having committed to a LI in one we feel we should give our all to that relationship to make it work.

[Sinmara]

me too. there was never a doubt, only waiting in ME2 until the DLC....

[Acturas]

Loyal to Liara all the way.......

[JrayM16]

Ah, the old "Rhetorical question title where OP pretends to be one sane man when he is in fact one of many" thread.

[LessThanKate]

Yes and no.

Very first playthrough I romanced Kaiden...as ME2 drew closer and I discovered Garrus was a romance option (I also discovered I liked Ash a little better so...yeah), so in a new game with the same Shepard I sacrificed him...altough I felt so bad about it, I eventually made a second female Shepard to stay loyal to him.

But I also have a male Shepard who will remain faithful to Ashley. Serves as a nice parallel, I think. I may even play ME1 as him again because I enjoyed her romance and there were some points I missed (namely the "thigh high boots" talk).

To be frank, Garrus was the only new romance option I was interested in. Tali's a sweetheart, but...that might actually be the problem. Too much like a little sister. I've entertained the idea of romancing Jack, although I would make a new Shepard (I don't like romancing different characters with one Shepard, it...seems odd to me), but other than that, the ME2 characters don't appeal to me on that level.

Jenova65 wrote...

I suspect that the Kaidan/Ash/Liara romancers are BioWare's romantic souls [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie] The
ones who believe that the true course of love doesn't run smooth and
that it will all be alright in the end and that a quick fix will never
beat a genuine connection. Not saying that the ME2 romances are wrong
(but this topic isn't about them, iyswim?) I mean that having committed
to a LI in one we feel we should give our all to that relationship to
make it work.

I like to consider myself a romantic, yes. And I believe this; no healthy relationship is without a few scuffles and misunderstandings. Perfection is boring. Horizon (and the first reacquainting

with Liara on Illium, to a lesser extent) may not have been a heartfelt reunion, but you don't just give up as soon as your partner stops agreeing with you on certain things. So, for the most part, I'm taking the long road and walking it. I'm fairly confident it will make ME3 that much more enjoyable.

...Of course, as I said before, not being all that tempted by ME2 romances helped.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:19 .

[lawp79]

Yes and no, I have sheps who are loyal, some who cheat and some who were single.

[Melindil]

fortunesque wrote...

I have yet to get the Paramour achievement and I plan on never getting it.

This.  I love Ash and Kaidan far too much.

[james1976]

Crusade wrote...

 I stayed loyal to ashley in me2 and had no romance and it will be my me3 save.
If you romanced her in me1 and did not romance any one in me2 following happens.

Shepard gazes at her picture for several moments and
smiles at it during the journey to the Collector station.


Also there is told to be benfits of staying loyal to your romance from me1 so i assume ashley and liara might be in me3 for hole game.

My first character romanced Liara, and other than minor flirting with Kelly and Miranda which didn't go far, I stayed loyal and continued the romance in LotSB.  I don't believe in cheating in any form, this character would also feel that way, and despite how Liara had changed from ME1 he stuck with her and remained loyal.

My second character didn't romance anyone in ME1 because Tali was my first choice and I wanted no prior romances before getting to ME2.  The only reason I didn't romance her the first time and chose Liara was because I didn't know Tali was an option in ME2 later.  So he is loyal to Tali and wouldn't cheat or even flirt with another as it isn't in his character.

My third character is a cold hearted ****!  She has no interest in romance beyond casual sex and thus far hasn't pursued any relationships.  Most likely will not be involved in a romance as it isn't in her nature to care for anyone.

Modifié par james1976, 25 janvier 2011 - 09:33 .

[Lord Zeuss]

None of the new love interests tempted me that much, frankly. Certainly not as love interests. My main Shep is militantly loyal to Ashley.



The only ME2 romance I plan on doing right now will be with my female Shep who stayed single. Cara's gettin' some Jacob lovin'!

[ReiSilver]

I have (so far) a renegade mShep who stayed loyal to Ashley, she's his Valkyrie and I couldn't see him with anyone else, Horizon wasn't going to change that for him. I have a paragade fShep who is faithful to Liara.

But my first play through was an earth born, sole survivor she romanced Kaidan and bought him along on most missions so I get the feeling they knew each other enough that she opened up about Akuze. As a result Horizon was probably to worst thing that could have happened for their relationship. I imagine being on a Cerberus ship, surrounded by Cerberus agents and being manipulated by the same guy who is responsible for Akuze was a time when she needed the man she loved by her side, not only does he abandon her in her time of need but calls her a traitor, right after hugging her. The context of the character I gave this shep makes it that much more brutal. I think she could eventually forgive him enough to remain friends but she's never going to be able to trust him again. Lucky for her there's a certain turian on the ship that's been there since the fight with Saren and has never left her side, though I imagine it took up until the omega 4 relay for her to admit her feelings for Garrus to herself.

[Sherbet Lemon]

phantomdragoness wrote...

Some people say that some of the fault should go to Shepard. So...what...blame her for dying?

See this is what bugs me more than anything It really isn't Shepard's fault she died.  S/He did the right thing by doing her very best to ensure that her whole crew made safely into the escape pods and unfortunately .  This makes Shepard a great officer.  S/he died and were brought back to life by Cerberus.  There was really nothing they could do about it.   I think the Horizon scene that comes across as terribly self-centered.  Coupling that with Garrus's and Tali's reaction to your return and Kaidan and Ashley don't come off well at all.  That doesn't mean that they deserve to be villified either.  It certainly makes them more human which I can appreciate.  I think I'm the only one thinks that is certainly within character for them to react the way do when they meet you on Horizon.  I just want the opportunity via DLC for my Sheps to tell them what's what.

That being said I hate to say that what happens in ME2 is cheating.  It's a bit more complicated than that as there all sorts of extenuating circumstances going on.  Shepard was dead for two years, and coping with that, dealing with that...I don't know.  Given that Shepard wasn't even sure s/he'd survive the suicide mission, I could see that sort of high pressure situation making emotions runs high.  I don't see it as a black and white cheating issue, it tends to occupy a more gray area one that is complex and deserves a fair bit of empathy for all parties.

My main/favorite Shepard was loyal to Liara as I play her as someone who didn't really settle down until she met Liara.  Furthermore, she was focused on the mission so there wasn't much interest in fraternizing.  The one Shep that romanced Kaidan was loyal and she was a Paragon Earthborn who went Renegade when she woke up.  The collector's ticked her off something fierce though I don't know if she will forgive Kaidan for turning his back on her after Horizon.  She was absolutely gutted after that.  My other favorite Shepard is single and content with that.  She's a diginfied by the book sort.  I haven't play ME2 with her yet so maybe she will romance someone in ME2 (if not there is always ME3 and hopefully Joker or Kasumi *bats eyelashes*).

[DaVanguard]

loyal to ash