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Bennyjammin79 wrote...

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Funny thing about this. If you play on Insanity and do this, you will die. Why? You take damage when ramming and Featherhead cannot survive more than a couple shots.


Bullsh!t. I only play on insanity and it works fine. It also works for many other people.


Apparently not considering Featherhead is one of the most complained about additions.

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 No it's complained about by people who think they'e cool because they say "FeatherHead". Note that I said turrets. Ramming a group of enemies can get you killed pretty quick but done right and it's handy.

To further show that one doesn't need to blast missiles from miles away.

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Bennyjammin79 wrote...

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You best be trolling, dude. You say his play style is at fault, when you're just blindly defending the game. Ram the enemy and render the missiles absolutely useless. Why have missiles at all then? It's a valid complaint. If the hammerhead can't soak up bullets worth a damn then how is ramming multiple enemies through a level a good idea? Sure it works but it's DUMB. 

I guess we should just all go around saying the Hammerhead is perfect and that Bioware has created the perfect weapon. That way they know that they have nothing to improve on and can use it in ME3 unchanged. 

Still no excuse to call someone a noob because they don't like something that you do. Damn.


That's not trolling and I'm not "blindingly defending the game". Learn how to play the internet. 

OP: It's boring to shoot missiles from far away.
Me; Then don't shoot missiles from far away ******. Mix it up.
People like you: OMG you're trolling! Fanboy!

I will point out that at no point did I say the HammerHead is better or that I liked something more. Ironically the only source of consistent b!tching and trolling has come from folks who don't like that I'm not supporting the OP. I don't even completely disagree with what was said originally. Many of the Firewalker missons are boring. A better and more accurate title for this thread would've been  "HammerHead should be retired" because really, do you all think that Bioware is going to reinsert the same missions in ME3? No.

My gripe is that these forums don't need another Mako>HH, HH vs MAKO style of thread. They're already out there.
The OP is on record as saying they don't care what anybody else thinks and that this thread was made simply so they could give their opinion. So what's the point of this thread? NONE.



Way to ignore what everyone is saying with your temper tantrums. 

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Way to ignore what everyone is saying with your temper tantrums. 


Yeah 'cause that's what I'm doing. <_<

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So when you see a feedback box in front of a store you drop "All these other people are stupid I love this place" kind of note? You wouldn't do that, because if anyone else saw your note you'd get beat up. Calling people names isn't the best way to discuss things... If your tired of something then go take a walk, avoid it, and LET IT GO.

Modifié par Mabari Owns High Dragon, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:04 .


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Really I don't see much use for a tank that cant take the shots. If you want a fast moving recon unit, we have already seen the gunships in game. (Fast, manueverable, and can take plenty of damage before being shot down)



In game, its just not that fun being killed so easily outside of harder difficulties. The platforming was a fun and refreshing change sure, but the combat? Sometimes I wondered why they even bothered...

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Silmane wrote...

That isn't the point, though. It's about giving the dev insight on what the fans think of things.



there is a difference between useful insight and outright whining, which is what most of the "insight" on the forums is.

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people...IT IS FREE! You get what you pay for and you paid NOTHING.

I had to pay for Cerberus network
my only complaint (I do love ramming speed) is that it can't walk, or hover, on anything remotely hot much less fire. And its weather protection seems to be worse than Shepard's from ME1.

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If you're having difficulty with the Hammerhead, the easiest thing to do is to keep moving.  When you're in a fight, strafe your way around constantly.  Remember that you can simply move sideways, unlike the Mako (one of the main benefits of wheel-less vehicles).  Also use jumping religiously to avoid incoming fire and boost your way around to the other side of the enemies, swing around and blast them before they can turn.  There is also the aforementioned ramming and the ability to jump on top of enemies as well (this often kills them).  Jumping on top of enemies is by far the easiest way to take out the pop-up turrets in the last Firewalker mission, but it does cause damage, so don't do it when being swarmed.

Following this advice will not only make things more interesting, it should help loads in keeping you alive (especially on higher difficulties). ;)

But yeah, this topic has been done to death.  I personally like the Hammerhead because it is quick and maneuverable.  There's just so much you can do, unlike most other vehicles in games where you basically just trade blows until one of them dies.  Wars of attrition aren't as fun as blitzkriegs in my opinion.

Modifié par wizardryforever, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:38 .


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Bennyjammin79 wrote...

 No it's complained about by people who think they'e cool because they say "FeatherHead". Note that I said turrets. Ramming a group of enemies can get you killed pretty quick but done right and it's handy.

To further show that one doesn't need to blast missiles from miles away.


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1. Ramming targets works much better and is faster than the missiles, so stop being a p*ssy and fight up close. That should make it less boring.


Note, no you did not and here is your post. You specify "ramming works much better" and now have contradicted yourself when I called you on it. The video you posted displayed no ramming whatsoever and was merely tactical maneuvering. Efficient and a tactic I am employed myself. It does not dismiss the argument the Hammerhead is a glass water pistol.

Furthermore, to destroy this post completely. There are only three uses of the word "turret" in this entire thread. The one originating from your post and my subsequent post quoting and responding to you.

Featherhead insinuates the Hammerhead is incapable of surviving more than a few shots. Whilst meant in mock, it is not an inaccurate title. Regardless, perhaps I am not up to date on what is "cool." If trolling and calling someone a "p*ssy" is the quota. I'll pass then thanks.

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My bad, I believed that I had used the word turret. And how the hell did I contradict myself? Did I say "This video contains ramming?"  No. So f*ck you, don't put words in my mouth. Also,  at no point did I EVER say the HH WASN'T made of paper. You've destroyed nothing.  

Clearly you're not up to date on what trolling is. The OP b!tched about how fighting from a distance is boring. I said get your ass up close then. Does that involve you somehow? No. I didn't think so. 

@Mabari

I've never said everybody else here is stupid. Nice try. And WTF is that post anyways? 

You started a pointless thread, it's not even a discussion. It's you disagreeing with anybody that disagrees with you. Funnier thing about it is that I never disagreed with you. 

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@Wizard: Actually I do all that and I still get the same results. Tried that before coming here to post :P.

@Benny: What you said is this was a noob thread and started yelling at other people. What I think is you should go do something useful instead of wasting your time arguing with people who think your ridiculous! Ok, then, we'll call it a debate! I'm simply stating my point, and they're stating theirs. The difference is you come in here like you know everything and everyone else is wrong, well let me tell you something.. Your the only one on your side, I didn't come here to whine, I came here to give my two sense. If you don't like it, get a life instead of screwing with mine.

Modifié par Mabari Owns High Dragon, 24 janvier 2011 - 05:01 .


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Hey, Benny, if you do not want to participate in a thread here is a thrilling suggestion:



Do not participate in the thread.



No one forced you into this thread to post, no one is making you stay. If you are sick of Hammerhead threads then why participate in one? The OP cannot be blamed for not using the search function because this sites search function is an absolute joke.



Why are you being so hostile and insulting?

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@Benny: What you said is this was a noob thread and started yelling at other people. What I think is you should go do something useful instead of wasting your time arguing with people who think your ridiculous! Ok, then, we'll call it a debate! I'm simply stating my point, and they're stating theirs. The difference is you come in here like you know everything and everyone else is wrong, well let me tell you something.. Your the only one on your side, I didn't come here to whine, I came here to give my two sense. If you don't like it, get a life instead of screwing with mine.


You fail on all counts. Here's my original post:

1. Ramming targets works much better and is faster than the missiles, so stop being a p*ssy and fight up close. That should make it less boring. 

2. See number 1.

3. All you did in the Mako was schlog around collecting minerals. 

4. Nope you can't get out. It sucks.

5. Have you played Overlord yet? 

6. Thanks for showing up to the party a year late and starting a new thread about an ancient topic. There's a search bar at the top of the page. Use it and post accordingly.

That's not yelling at anybody or calling this a "Noob Thread". That's not me thinking I know everything. That's me calling you out for being a  gimp who is complaining about something that's more your fault than the games. that's me agreeing with you that not being able to get out of the HH sucks ass, That's me telling you that there are MANY other threads out there about this very same thing and that you should've tried to find one.

I've never said that anybody and everybody else is wrong. I never said you or anybody can't give their 2 cents. I'm not even on a side. truth be told, I want both vehicles in ME3 (both need to be reworked) .And if you didn't come here to whine then maybe you shouldn't have tried to pass off your boring playing style in terms of combat, to a fault of the game. 

So why don't you get a life and learn how to read. 

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wizardryforever wrote...

If you're having difficulty with the Hammerhead, the easiest thing to do is to keep moving.  When you're in a fight, strafe your way around constantly.  Remember that you can simply move sideways, unlike the Mako (one of the main benefits of wheel-less vehicles).  Also use jumping religiously to avoid incoming fire and boost your way around to the other side of the enemies, swing around and blast them before they can turn.  There is also the aforementioned ramming and the ability to jump on top of enemies as well (this often kills them).  Jumping on top of enemies is by far the easiest way to take out the pop-up turrets in the last Firewalker mission, but it does cause damage, so don't do it when being swarmed.

Following this advice will not only make things more interesting, it should help loads in keeping you alive (especially on higher difficulties). ;)

But yeah, this topic has been done to death.  I personally like the Hammerhead because it is quick and maneuverable.  There's just so much you can do, unlike most other vehicles in games where you basically just trade blows until one of them dies.  Wars of attrition aren't as fun as blitzkriegs in my opinion.

Nothing is has fun as ramming straight into a Geth Colloussus and getting out to gun it while it is down.

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Sajuro wrote...

Nothing is has fun as ramming straight into a Geth Colloussus and getting out to gun it while it is down.


Yeah I loved doing that. Always got out of mako and killed things because it was double or triple XP. Image IPB

I liked the Hammerhead missions ,but not that they were all like a platformer with many jumps of varying difficulty and had to be done in one go.

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Dude, I've just f*cking had it. I wasn't originally hostile but the fact that I got called out for trolling after my first post is just BS. Normally I would've walked away a long time ago but today just isn't that day. I dunno it could be a lot of things.

Yes, the search function here is a joke but you know what? Other people use it just fine. This place wouldn't suck balls as much as it does if more people would just take 2 seconds, alright 2 minutes with the search thinger here, and post in the right place.

Guess I'm fed up with the fanboy/girl crap, the slagging of the devs, the whining bout the VS, half assed moderating of these endlessly same topics, the console wars,  fan entitlement etc. etc. I know I don't have to explain it to you.These forums would be a lot nicer if people just took that extra bit of time. Instead of 20 threads about something, we'd have 12. People wouldn't be so b!tchy. I  wouldn't be so b!tchy. 

For the most part I don't care but this was the breaking point. Consider it the final straw that broke the camels back.

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actully Bennyjammin79 has a point

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Bennyjammin79 wrote...

AntiChri5...

Dude, I've just f*cking had it. I wasn't originally hostile but the fact that I got called out for trolling after my first post is just BS. Normally I would've walked away a long time ago but today just isn't that day. I dunno it could be a lot of things.

Yes, the search function here is a joke but you know what? Other people use it just fine. This place wouldn't suck balls as much as it does if more people would just take 2 seconds, alright 2 minutes with the search thinger here, and post in the right place.

Guess I'm fed up with the fanboy/girl crap, the slagging of the devs, the whining bout the VS, half assed moderating of these endlessly same topics, the console wars,  fan entitlement etc. etc. I know I don't have to explain it to you.These forums would be a lot nicer if people just took that extra bit of time. Instead of 20 threads about something, we'd have 12. People wouldn't be so b!tchy. I  wouldn't be so b!tchy. 

For the most part I don't care but this was the breaking point. Consider it the final straw that broke the camels back.


They aren't making you be ****y, only you can control the ****y output that comes from your keyboard (that and the  gnomes who troll while you aren't looking) and the threads fade fast enough it doesn't really matter.

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Why are you guys complaining about the Firewalker? It was fine, better than using the Mako though I liked that as well. It has better usage in Overlord. The mission pack was alright, hell it was FREE.

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Stupidus wrote...

Why are you guys complaining about the Firewalker? It was fine, better than using the Mako though I liked that as well. It has better usage in Overlord. The mission pack was alright, hell it was FREE.

It wasn't free for people who bought ME2 used, no one knows, the trouble I have seen, no one knows my sorrow :blush:

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Thank you, that has made my day on so many levels.

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I'm actually rather surprised at the amount of hate the Hammerhead got. Coming from someone who thinks the Mako is one of the absolute worst things to ever be included in a good game, (And one of the worst things in any game...) I actually found the Firewalker missions to be fun.

The points about the Hammerhead not being able to take much damage and having poor weapons are perfectly valid, though I believe people make these out to be worse than they actually are. Ok, so not the weapons, but about how much damage it could take... I personally found the Mako to be much, much worse. Especially having to sit around for 5 minutes to repair the freaking thing. But the Hammerhead is so incredibly fast, that it isn't very hard to outrun just about any attack. It's fun to have a more tactical approach to the vehicle gameplay, where I spin around the enemy to avoid the attacks instead of sitting on a hill 50 yards away completely still and slowly take out enemies, as it was with the Mako. It gives you a sense of urgency, basically. Though I completely understand why you listed this as a negative point and I wouldn't mind it being patched up a bit.

On top of this, I find that the Hammerhead controls perfect. Hell, despite the repetitive design, I think that if BioWare just dropped me into any of the side quest planets the Mako could land on, I would have a blast just wandering around terrain filled with nothing. The reason I hated the Mako was because of how sluggish it moved (Also throw in the controls) and how most of the problems could have been easily fixed had either the design of the Mako or the areas it traveled in been changed to accustom one another.

Also, I find your complaining about the variety rather... questionable. I suppose I can see how having to completely slow down, stop, get out of the vehicle, and walk over to a rock and go through a mini-game to collect a resource is a variety from shooting things, though is it a preferred variety? (Though on another note, I do agree with your note of how you cannot exit the Hammerhead) Not to mention, the platforming sections were a great variety that I personally enjoyed. I also enjoyed finding the secret collection spots. I always groaned every time I found one in the Mako, and had to... well, shown above. But I actually felt giddy every time I found an area I could hop to that happened to have a collection site near it.

The Hammerhead has the controls and design, and the Mako has the weapons and armor. (Though not a design that really works with the weapon or armor setup) I'm hoping ME3 finds a nice balance between the two to create something everyone can enjoy. I know it won't happen, though it would be nice for ME3 to have one that most people like. Just keep the speed, controls, design, and overall fun and fast feeling of the Hammerhead, but give it a weapons and armor upgrade. On top of this, drop us on planets that HAVE STUFF. I don't care if the thing can only land on 5 planets. If the planets are busy, lively, and full of things to do, then I'll be happy! I don't want the empty barren wastelands with absolutely NOTHING on them that ME1 had. I don't want the rather narrow areas the Hammerhead often had to travel through. I want freedom. I want to be able to zoom around over various planets. But if the only different between Planet A, Planet B, and Planet C are the elevation in mountains and the color scheme and there's nothing to DO but another boring side quest, then I don't see the point of making those three empty planets when you can make one lively one.

EDIT: I'm in no way insisting that I'm right or that my opinion is valid and yours isn't. I just find it curious as to how some pan the Hammerhead while adoring the Mako. I haven't really gotten a straight answer from anyone. Not any that made sense to me, anyhow. But I suppose there's something I seem to miss about the Mako's charm and something you seem to miss about the Hammerhead's. To each his or her own, no?

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Sajuro wrote...
They aren't making you be ****y, only you can control the ****y output that comes from your keyboard (that and the  gnomes who troll while you aren't looking) and the threads fade fast enough it doesn't really matter.


Meh, you're right. i really shouldn't let this place ****** me off to the point that I have to type about it.  I do apologize.

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