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[w0lfam0da1s]

Fuggyt wrote...

w0lfam0da1s wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

A Male Human Noble would probably be the default.

Personally though, narrativewise I think a Dalish Elf Warden makes the most sense. The Dalish Elf's story begun with the Eluvian Mirror and ended with it.

so yeah this is late and all but ill post any ways.

I dare say your right. Even in DA2 you have some link moreso then with any other. Maybe except the human mage. But that only connects you to Hawke and only as a second or third cousin. The fact that the Eluvian makes its way from game one to Witch Hunt then to DA2 leaves you with more then that crazy mirror feeling when playing DA2. Now if another mirror makes its way into DA3 then mabe we can say that Dalish Elf is cannon. But for now all I can say is it holds more water then the rest.

Yeah, this is late too, but this has been an interesting thread to read so I'll give it a shot.

The thread has spun a little bit away from the OP's original point.  I don't know about you, but I've played DAO through at least 20 or 25 times with various characters and orientations.  It's like rereading a book to me.  And I've had a couple of incarnations I've repeated and honed just because I found them so personally appealing.  I think the OP was asking for a biography of our favorite avatar. 

Mine was a male Human Noble dual-wield warrior, by the way, the greatest warrior in Ferelden and didn't he just know it?  He was a cad, though, who romanced Iona and then Morrigan, whom he ditched for Leliana, whom he ditched for Anora while giving Morrigan the golden mirror and performing the DR with her.  He also double-crossed Harrowmont in order to triple-cross Bhelen, just to let them know who was really calling the shots in Orzammer.  I also liked playing a female Elven Mage, who figured an amateur like Jowan deserved what he got for trying to hide blood magery from her in the first place.  She traded Connor's soul to the Desire Demon for its magic bean, naturally, and the only reason she nixed the DR is because she wanted to snag the AD's spirit for herself in order to arise from her tomb in Weisshaupt just in time for Awakening.  Why should Morrigan have all the fun?  I always thought Alistair was unexpectedly kingly at her funeral, too. 

But this thread has warped into a discussion of which origin story best fits with the common events from DAO and DA2.  The case for the Dalish Elf is a good one because the Eluvian is the only meaningful plot point that carries over between the two games, other than a variable cameo appearance or passing dialogue reference.  But how did the Dalish Elf's story end with the Eluvian?  As I recall, you go back to camp and when the Shrieks attack, one of them is Tamlen.  So is the Eluvian tainted?  In DA2 it's a doorway for a demon, or at least the lure a demon uses to ensnare Merrill and Marethari.  For Morrigan in Witch Hunt, though, it's something else again.  

And that's why I think the "canon warden" is still the male human noble.  Didn't I say he was a cad?  He's a better pedigree for the OGB than any of the other origins, and the Eluvian is all about OGB, and I know that because Sandal told me he heard it from Flemeth.  So there! 

that is all good and all. however lets look at Flemeth. yes that wounderful  "person" who shows up at strange but timely moments. she is the one person who i can point to and say....... connected to the same clan/tribe the Dalish elf warden comes from. just another pice to conect to the Dalish elf warden. the reason we know that she has a connection to them is beause of all the Dalish clan/tribe she sends you to find that one when your on your way to Kirkwall.

yes i know that its because that's the clan/tribe that's close to there because thats how it was written.
(but put that aside for the moment.)

why not have a conection with the clan/tribe that Ariane was from. the one who goes with you to find Morrigan in Witch Hunt. they have more knowledge on the Eluvian.
if I remember correctly the Dalish elf warden's clan was the same clan that Flemeth accounterd all them years ago. Along wit Maric and Loghan.
not only that but as far as we know the Dalish elf wardens clan keepers use the same type of magic that Flemeth does. we know this because it is stated when the Dalish elf warden talks to Morrigan about her shapeshifting magic.
she helps Alistair because she knows who he is. why or how she know is it might have something to do with Maric. but that is for another time. so her helping the Dalish elf warden would also be more binifiting for her because they hold the knowlege of how to release her from her trinket thingy. so that's all i have to say about that for now. if I find more then i may post it but for now this is all.

[Wissenschaft]

TBastian wrote...

I think the developers have pretty much given up on the idea of there being a canon warden. There's the trailer warden/s, the comics warden, the novel/books warden, the-multiple-backgrounds-from-DA2-wardens, and of course the player wardens, and all of them are legit afaik.

            

The developers haven't given up on anything. They never intended for there to be a canon warden. Nor are any of the events which happen within the game cannon.

[AustinPearce96]

 It looks like now they have revealed that a dalish warden IS the canon for the first game...

[BevH]

DAOfan23 wrote...

 It looks like now they have revealed that a dalish warden IS the canon for the first game...

It is NOT the canon warden, it is the default warden. This is for people who choose not to use an import, which, for them, would be the canon warden.

[CGG80]

BevH wrote...

DAOfan23 wrote...

 It looks like now they have revealed that a dalish warden IS the canon for the first game...

It is NOT the canon warden, it is the default warden. This is for people who choose not to use an import, which, for them, would be the canon warden.

"yes there is a default cannon. But you will be able to deviate."
"DAO: Dalish Elf, warden dead, Alistair king
DA2: Mage, sides with Mages"

- Mark Darrah
twitter.com/BioMarkDarrah/status/364898334911115264

Modifié par CGG80, 18 août 2013 - 02:15 .

[Blazomancer]

^Is it really so hard to grasp that BevH essentially meant the same thing? 'The default canon' is for people who choose not to use an import. The rest of us will 'deviate' with our own canons.

[BevH]

@ CGG80
You failed to read the rest:

"Does this canon serve the purpose like ME3 canon,in that new players do not miss many references from DA-DA2?"

Mark Darrah: "correct"

@Blazomancer: *hugs* 

Modifié par BevH, 18 août 2013 - 03:40 .

[CGG80]

Blazomancer wrote...
The rest of us will 'deviate' with our own canons.

for instance:
In DAO you can kill Leliana, but in DA2 you'll see her again - vitally alive.., because it's the official canon.
(so much to your own "canon" ;-) )

Modifié par CGG80, 18 août 2013 - 05:47 .

[Blazomancer]

My canon is still my canon messere, I didn't gut her. Thank you very much.

Gaider didn't deny that Leli died if you killed her. Whether that means her resurrection wil be explained in the future remains to be seen. It's not a case of forced canon but rather Bioware deciding what 'dead' and 'alive' means in the DA universe.

[DeathScepter]

Default is not canon; Canon is not Default.


With Default; you can deviate within your own canon.

With Canon, Everything you do is fanfic.

[Last Darkness]

CGG80 wrote...

Blazomancer wrote...
The rest of us will 'deviate' with our own canons.

for instance:
In DAO you can kill Leliana, but in DA2 you'll see her again - vitally alive.., because it's the official canon.
(so much to your own "canon" ;-) )

This and other choices and events means some aspects are Canon and others are not only complicates the matter more. 
There is no Canon Warden, but if there was it would be the Dalish Elf doing the Ultimate Sacrifice since this is the games default choice. (Which means the Awakening Warden was Orlesian in that scenario)

The events of the Dragon Age novels and comics are “part of Dragon Age canon”, meaning they contribute to the overall lore. They do not, however, override your game choices. Those events hay have happened very differently in your particular game continuity… meaning that, if Alistair was dead, then the events of the Silent Grove simply never occurred. If Alistair isn’t king, the Silent Grove could have still happened… but would have occurred somewhat differently.Does this mean the comics and novels could be referenced in your game? Possibly, but only if the context is correct… and, even then, we’d need to introduce characters and events on the assumption that you’ve never read the material. The Architect was introduced in Awakening assuming that the player never read the Calling, and needed to work as a new character. If you read the Calling, then great— you would have more insight into the game. It’s not designed to do more than that.If someone really wants to assert that ancillary media cannot exist if it contradicts their personal playthrough in any fashion, then so be it. You’re not required to read it. You can play Dragon Age without ever picking up the novels or comics or whatever else. It will, however, still exist. If the knowledge that there is story material out there which explores aspects of the story you didn’t choose in your game (all of which are equally valid) bothers you, then you’ll simply have to take a breath and either pick it up or live with it.And please stop with the crude language. You can dislike Alistair or Anora just fine without coming across as an inbred chimp. They are characters with very human flaws, and one can imagine many reasons to dislike them both… but your many feels do not make the rules of these forums irrelevant.

Thanks.David Gaider

Modifié par Last Darkness, 06 octobre 2013 - 05:15 .

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

I had a cool Dwarven commoner gal named Katalin.  She was a rogue with
lockpicking and trapmaking skills of 4 (most mechanical), and she used a
crossbow.  While crossbows are low-tech by today's standards, the
crossbow is still a machine and requires some engineering to make. 
Naturally, she specialized in archery.  I role-played a bit and gave her
a story - she worked in a machinist's shop as a cheap laborer as a kid
and teenager.  Here, she learned just as much about mechanics as her
boss knew, and basically did all the work.  He hired her to cut costs,
but in a sense, she got a free education.  When she was declared a
Paragon, she started her own thaig that focused on rebuilding the lost
Dwarven technology, as well as developing new technology.  In her story,
the battles with the Architect and the Mother were the last wars fought
with swords ... in the next great war, Grey Wardens would be using
firearms.  An underground high-tech society reminded me of what life on
another planet would probably be like.  I especially liked that one
place in the Dead Trenches that looked almost science fictionish (that
one spot where Oghren says "Bodammar (sp?) - I thought that this place
would have fallen to dust by now).  NOTE:  To make the crossbow a
worthwhile weapon, you'll need a mod.  There are 2 that you can use -
one makes damage determined by your strength, and the other makes damage
determined by your dexterity.  I used the dexterity mod.

Choices in a nutshell:
- Never killed innocent people and was good
- Let Jowan sacrifice Isolde since she volunteered, and she didn't want more of the villagers to die in the time that it would have taken to go get the lyrium from the tower
- Sides with Mages, Bhelen, Caridin, and forced Zathrian to break the curse
- Married Alistair to Anora, but recruited Loghain out of necessity (not because she liked him)
- Had Loghain do the ritual with Morrigan
- Sided with the Architect

[xXStretcHXx]

Old thread is old, but still cool.

 

There is no canon. There are assumptions, but no canon.

 

 

The richest choices or set paths (Multicanon?) to make your own canon imo would probably be (In no particular order)

 

Human female - Become Queen

 

Dalish(?) Male - Romance Morrigan have natural or God baby and go through the mirror.

 

Any race of female - remain King Allistair's mistress

 

And no matter what, don't die. Unless you really love the Orlisian Warden Commander.

 

 

The sad thing is Bioware probably DOES consider The Warden's Death to be canon, as they seem very afraid to bring the Warden back as that would mean "Ruining peoples experience by giving the Warden a voice" Even though The Warden probably talked more than any other protagonist. 

 

My main playthrough was a Dalish Female Rouge who survived and became King Allistair's mistress

 

Cocky, Funny, selfish, but yet still strived to do the right thing.

Chose to have the God child because she didn't want herself or Allistair to die.

Funny because during Inquisition The Warden is looking for a cure lol seems to be in character for my Warden.