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[TheButterflyEffect]

 All male characters get the opportunity to become dads by the end of the game.

How come, despite all the "attempts" with Alistair and Zevran, do us girls never get to have any chillens? Not fair... I wanted my Warden to become a badass momma...

BTW, this is from a discussion about this double standard on another gaming forum.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:08 .

[HolyAvenger]

Umm, doesn't only the DN get to have a kid? There was definitely no opportunities for offspring during my Human noble playthrough...

[TheButterflyEffect]

Well all males can with Morrigan by the end.

[HolyAvenger]

Ah I get you. Haven't done a DR playthrough yet but fair complaint I suppose.

[fighterchick]

Because doing the dark ritual with Morrigan was a plot point in relation to the game as opposed to fan service for your warden to have a child. It served a purpose for the male to have a child, yet having a pregnant female warden would accomplish nothing.

Modifié par fighterchicks, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:25 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Well that just grossed me right out, but I'm still jellin that a female warden remains barren. The pregnancy with Morrigan happens without any magic involved, why doesn't the same occur with a female warden? If the male warden's testicles are still jumping why can't the female warden's ovaries still be in working order?

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 24 janvier 2011 - 12:32 .

[fighterchick]

Morrigan referred to it as old magic, so I'm assuming that there was more to it then just sleeping with her to accomplish that, but it wasn't shown in-game cut scenes. And again, it would play no significant role in the game, so why would it be included? I'm pretty sure the developers didn't want a female warden in origins running around pregnant while trying to battle the blight. It would just be silly.

[TheButterflyEffect]

It would make a nice thing if she found out at the end...



And what I meant was, if you slept with Morri but declined the DR, then you find out she got pregnant anyway, as in, totally naturally... no sweet demon baby magic required.

[fighterchick]

Indeed, that's a good point because I did forget about that. I don't know then, it's probably just an over sight. I'm still going to go with it really plays no significant role in the game. Either way, it doesn't technically matter though, does it? Even if the male warden became a father, Morrigan left with the child unless in witch hunt they cross through "beyond the fade together". It just seems like a small detail to me that's not very significant to the game.

[sonsofanarchy10]

I like it the way it is. I don't want this game to turn into Fable or anything.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Fable wasn't very good... but the concept was excellent,

[errant_knight]

Well, it's partly because there's clearly some future issue with Fereldan succession that's being set up. It can't be an accident that no matter what ending you pick there seems to be a fertility issue with the monarchy. And it's partly because it's really hard to save the world with a belly out to here, or a toddler clinging to your massive armor.

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well that just grossed me right out, but I'm still jellin that a female warden remains barren. The pregnancy with Morrigan happens without any magic involved, why doesn't the same occur with a female warden? If the male warden's testicles are still jumping why can't the female warden's ovaries still be in working order?

Nope, it's a magic ritual, strongly implied to be a form of blood magic.

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:13 .

[Zjarcal]

Well, it IS possible for Morrigan to become pregnant without magic, at least that's what the epilogue for a warden who romanced her (and slept with her at least once) and refused the DR says.

[errant_knight]

Zjarcal wrote...

Well, it IS possible for Morrigan to become pregnant without magic, at least that's what the epilogue for a warden who romanced her (and slept with her at least once) and refused the DR says.

Really? What does it say?

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Well, it IS possible for Morrigan to become pregnant without magic, at least that's what the epilogue for a warden who romanced her (and slept with her at least once) and refused the DR says.

Really? What does it say?

I've never seen it in game, but the wiki mentions it (it's the fourth one)

http://dragonage.wik...ilogue#Morrigan

[Face of Evil]

Yeah, we males sure are lucky. We get to avoid certain death by partaking in a magical sex rite with a woman that we may not even love, father a kid who is transformed into Maker Knows What and then never see said child because the mother runs off to another plane of existence.

It's the feel good story of the year.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[errant_knight]

Face of Evil wrote...

Yeah, we males sure are lucky. We get to avoid certain death by partaking in a magical sex rite with a woman that we may not even love, father a kid who is transformed into Maker Knows What and then never see said child because the mother runs off to another plane of existence.

It's the feel good story of the year.

I assumed that the OP was about the dwarven PC, but if not, I have to agree. Fathering a child whose soul is utterly destroyed and replaced by something inhuman... Not a nice daddy story. More something you'd wake up screaming about.

[ejoslin]

Well, as it's been mentioned, Morri does end up pregnant if the male warden made love to her, even if he refuses the DR, so something is working.



And while Alistair and the warden cannot have a baby by natural means, I'm not sure it follows that Zevran and the femWarden cannot. that there is no mention of it in epilogue slides or whatever is a good point, but you can't really say it can't happen.

[errant_knight]

Zjarcal wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Well, it IS possible for Morrigan to become pregnant without magic, at least that's what the epilogue for a warden who romanced her (and slept with her at least once) and refused the DR says.

Really? What does it say?

I've never seen it in game, but the wiki mentions it (it's the fourth one)

http://dragonage.wik...ilogue#Morrigan

Interesting! But I'd take that to mean that Morrigan may have done the DR without the Warden knowing. He'd likely be dead in that scenario unless he had Alistair or Loghain to do it, so I don't know how that would work, but it may be a hint that the God Baby will exist whatever choice you made. I have a feeling it will. That whold plotline has 'important' written all over it.

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Well, it IS possible for Morrigan to become pregnant without magic, at least that's what the epilogue for a warden who romanced her (and slept with her at least once) and refused the DR says.

Really? What does it say?

I've never seen it in game, but the wiki mentions it (it's the fourth one)

http://dragonage.wik...ilogue#Morrigan

Interesting! But I'd take that to mean that Morrigan may have done the DR without the Warden knowing. He'd likely be dead in that scenario unless he had Alistair or Loghain to do it, so I don't know how that would work, but it may be a hint that the God Baby will exist whatever choice you made. I have a feeling it will. That whold plotline has 'important' written all over it.

No.  She could not have done it without the warden knowing as someone dies.  This slide appears only if the DR was turned down but he and Morrigan have made love.

Edit:

True to her word, Morrigan vanished the same night she made her offer at Redcliffe Castle. Someone of Morrigan's description was later seen traveling alone, heading west through the Frostback Mountains... and she may even have been with child.

Whose child it might be is unknown, but some whisper that the witch was once the lover of <FirstName/> himself. Either way, her ritual was never completed... and there was no word of her after that.

Second edit: Another epilogue card disregarded for the, well, ummm, whatever it is.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[AlanC9]

I'm pretty sure the devs are on record that choosing whether or not to do the DR was a real choice, so Morrigan didn't do it if you didn't know about it.

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, as it's been mentioned, Morri does end up pregnant if the male warden made love to her, even if he refuses the DR, so something is working.

And while Alistair and the warden cannot have a baby by natural means, I'm not sure it follows that Zevran and the femWarden cannot. that there is no mention of it in epilogue slides or whatever is a good point, but you can't really say it can't happen.

 The thing is, we've been told that a warden having a child is almost impossible, and when it's two wardens, it's not going to happen by natural. To me that says that the possibility is so remote as to be almost non-existant. Now, in fanfic, that seems to be interpreted as 'can only have 2 to 5 children, although one is conceived immediately after first time sex,' but I'm pretty sure that when they say almost impossible, they mean it, and the 'almost' is only there to give them a loophole if they change their minds.

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Well, as it's been mentioned, Morri does end up pregnant if the male warden made love to her, even if he refuses the DR, so something is working.

And while Alistair and the warden cannot have a baby by natural means, I'm not sure it follows that Zevran and the femWarden cannot. that there is no mention of it in epilogue slides or whatever is a good point, but you can't really say it can't happen.

 The thing is, we've been told that a warden having a child is almost impossible, and when it's two wardens, it's not going to happen by natural. To me that says that the possibility is so remote as to be almost non-existant. Now, in fanfic, that seems to be interpreted as 'can only have 2 to 5 children, although one is conceived immediately after sex,' but I'm pretty sure that when they say almost impossible, they mean it, and the 'almost' is only there to give them a loophole if they change their minds.

Except, of course, Fiona.  It's not outside the realm of possibility.  I personally don't care, but "almost impossible" is not the term used for ONE gray warden to have a child.  The word used for that is "difficult."

Edit: Hee's the line:

Alistair: The taint makes it difficult for one Grey Warden to have a child. For two, with each other? Next to impossible.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:55 .

[errant_knight]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm pretty sure the devs are on record that choosing whether or not to do the DR was a real choice, so Morrigan didn't do it if you didn't know about it.

Really? I can't imagine setting something like this up and then throwing it away, but hey, what do I know?

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Well, as it's been mentioned, Morri does end up pregnant if the male warden made love to her, even if he refuses the DR, so something is working.

And while Alistair and the warden cannot have a baby by natural means, I'm not sure it follows that Zevran and the femWarden cannot. that there is no mention of it in epilogue slides or whatever is a good point, but you can't really say it can't happen.

 The thing is, we've been told that a warden having a child is almost impossible, and when it's two wardens, it's not going to happen by natural. To me that says that the possibility is so remote as to be almost non-existant. Now, in fanfic, that seems to be interpreted as 'can only have 2 to 5 children, although one is conceived immediately after sex,' but I'm pretty sure that when they say almost impossible, they mean it, and the 'almost' is only there to give them a loophole if they change their minds.

Except, of course, Fiona.  It's not outside the realm of possibility.  I personally don't care, but "almost impossible" is not the term used for ONE gray warden to have a child.  The word used for that is "difficult."

Hmmm. Good point. I haven't read the books so I tend to forget about that. Anyone else feel like we're getting mixed messages here?

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .