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[Exile Isan]

didymos1120 wrote...
Uh, no they don't. No more than most humans other than a handful do, anyway. And, galactic civilization is perfectly aware that other races have existed in the distant past, as you can learn by reading the various planet descriptions.  Many of them mention archaeological sites and even various species names:

http://masseffect.wi...ackground_Races

The protheans are simply accorded greater importance because far, far more is known about them, their ruins are much more prevalent, even relatively common, and of course because of the belief that they built the Citadel and the relays. 

I know that didymos.  But according to this CDN this human scientist has discovered that some of the Mass Relays are older than they thought, and unless I'm misreading, the asari did similar tests and came to the same conclusion, but dismissed it because, basically, no other race could have possibly lived that long ago and spanned so far around the galaxy except the Protheans. Even though there is evidence of other spacefaring races. Time errodes quite a lot and a lot of evidence of these other races would have been lost to it, but why dismiss just out of hand that they couldn't have been as advanced as the Protheans? I mean Liara even says the Protheans built their empire on the ones that came before them. It just seems like the current races of the Citadel have jumped to the conclusion that the Protheans built the Citdel and the Mass Relays. I mean what evidence do they have that they did build them?

And yeah there is more known about the Protheans and that is why everyone gives them credit for everything. I guess if just erks me because the attitude they have about non Prothean spacefaring races is the same attitude that I often see scientist here on Earth give ancient civilization. That they were too stupid to do something so great.

[samurai crusade]

Liara also said there was almost no proof of the civilizations that lived before the Protheans and that here decades of research led her to believe that. If I recall correctly, the Protheans are the only species in ME whose archeological presence spans across more than one star system. It's not unreasonable then for species to asume that they did it because of how widespread they were. The base their asumption that the Protheans built it simply on the fact that they can prove they were there. You're right, it's just like Earth. Until someone proves the Inca didn't buld Machu Pichu, or the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids then everyone just asumes because that's all that they can prove.

[Dean_the_Young]

The CDN article doesn't say they came to the same conclusion hundreds of years ago.



The article simply says the Asari discounted it. That could well be because that the tests they (the old Asari) were fundamentally flawed, which is possible, or even turned up nothing to support such a theory (such as, by chance, testing on a 'new' mass relay first, and simply finding results that meet expectations).

[Earion-Lun]

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[Zavox]

samurai crusade wrote...

Liara also said there was almost no proof of the civilizations that lived before the Protheans and that here decades of research led her to believe that. If I recall correctly, the Protheans are the only species in ME whose archeological presence spans across more than one star system. It's not unreasonable then for species to asume that they did it because of how widespread they were. The base their asumption that the Protheans built it simply on the fact that they can prove they were there. You're right, it's just like Earth. Until someone proves the Inca didn't buld Machu Pichu, or the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids then everyone just asumes because that's all that they can prove.

No, there has been evidence of previous species spanning more than one solar system. Such as the 2 species that fought over 1 habitable planet. They had to come from somewhere else.

Modifié par Zavox, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:46 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zavox wrote...

samurai crusade wrote...

Liara also said there was almost no proof of the civilizations that lived before the Protheans and that here decades of research led her to believe that. If I recall correctly, the Protheans are the only species in ME whose archeological presence spans across more than one star system. It's not unreasonable then for species to asume that they did it because of how widespread they were. The base their asumption that the Protheans built it simply on the fact that they can prove they were there. You're right, it's just like Earth. Until someone proves the Inca didn't buld Machu Pichu, or the Egyptians didn't build the pyramids then everyone just asumes because that's all that they can prove.

No, there has been evidence of previous species spanning more than one solar system. Such as the 2 species that fought over 1 habitable planet. They had to come from somewhere else.

They don't, however, have to have come along Mass Relays, or to have been wiped out by anything but eachother.

[Zavox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

They don't, however, have to have come along Mass Relays, or to have been wiped out by anything but eachother.

Nor did I suggest they had to, I just responded to him suggesting there had been no evidence of species but the Protheans to go past their own solar system.

However, if there's no evidence of either species in the star cluster that habitable planet is in, one can assume they had to have come from somewhere else, and most likely through a Mass Relay. It's easy follow-up research. Furthermore, it's unlikely they have wiped eachother out. One has to win over the other to wipe one out completely.

Modifié par Zavox, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zavox wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

They don't, however, have to have come along Mass Relays, or to have been wiped out by anything but eachother.

Nor did I suggest they had to, I just responded to him suggesting there had been no evidence of species but the Protheans to go past their own solar system.

However, if there's no evidence of either species in the star cluster that habitable planet is in, one can assume they had to have come from somewhere else, and most likely through a Mass Relay. It's easy follow-up research.

Not really: there are plenty of reasons why there wouldn't be evidence. Time, for one. Prothean discovery/scavenging/destruction for another.

Furthermore, it's unlikely they have wiped eachother out. One has to win over the other to wipe one out completely.

Again, not really. All you need is a genophage equivalent on both sides pass the ability of either side to reverse (possible), or a Von Neumann weapon.

[Yakko77]

My Shepard(s) owe the good Dr. Kenson a drink!

[Zavox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Not really: there are plenty of reasons why there wouldn't be evidence. Time, for one. Prothean discovery/scavenging/destruction for another.

Could be, but looking at the other evidence on other races so far found makes it likely that especially their homeplanet still shows scars of bombardment and technology. Also, just looking for habitable planets in the star cluster, then look at the fossil record will show whether there has likely been sapient life.

I find it unlikely that we're able to find evidence of homeplanets that were destroyed 40 million years ago and cannot find evidence of a homeplanet that was destroyed at most 127.000 years ago. Not to mention being able to find a battlesite, which in all likelyhood should've been unable to be detected alot faster than a homeplanet

Again, not really. All you need is a genophage equivalent on both sides pass the ability of either side to reverse (possible), or a Von Neumann weapon.

I said unlikely, because on the unlikely circumstance that they are both of equal power, galaxy wide destruction of both species at the same time is unlikely. One has to destroy all the life on all the planets each has, and to top that off, all the fleets aswell. A genophage weapon may be possible though, yet it's again unlikely as the fleets would have to have been unaffected for some time, and it's likely at that time it has been discovered how the genophage is spread.

[Phaedon]

The scientific community is...conservative as hell?

What an unexpected turn of events, I would have never imagined it.

[Sergeant Conley]

Yakko77 wrote...

My Shepard(s) owe the good Dr. Kenson a drink!

Here here!!

Or is it "hear hear?"

[gogman25]

I get the feeling we may know who a Mass Effect 3 squad member may be.

[Yakko77]

Sergeant Conley wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

My Shepard(s) owe the good Dr. Kenson a drink!

Here here!!

Or is it "hear hear?"

LOL!

That's a good question.

[sth128]

The real question is, did the Reapers really create the relays (as Sovereign claimed) or were they created by some other race who also created the Reapers (who then destroyed them).



I hope Bioware will give us some closure on the Reaper story line and not end the third game with their true purpose hiding behind the veil...

[CroGamer002]

General User wrote...

I’m gonna miss CDN, probably more than I should.

I’m not gonna lie, I was more interested in reading the Cerberus News every morning than I was in reading the ‘real news.’

Considering RL news of today, I can't blame you.

[Yakko77]

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

I’m gonna miss CDN, probably more than I should.

I’m not gonna lie, I was more interested in reading the Cerberus News every morning than I was in reading the ‘real news.’

Considering RL news of today, I can't blame you.

If your referring to the bombing in Moscow, I understand.  On several YT videos there are already a bunch of fools blaming CoD with its Moscow airport massacre.

[cbutz]

Where is this species now?"

Darkspace. Oh and all theyw ant to do is eat your brains and turb you into goo. Well at least that makes two people outside Shepards circle that are on the right track.

[JRCHOharry]

Ah yes "Mass Relays"

[CroGamer002]

Yakko77 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

I’m gonna miss CDN, probably more than I should.

I’m not gonna lie, I was more interested in reading the Cerberus News every morning than I was in reading the ‘real news.’

Considering RL news of today, I can't blame you.

If your referring to the bombing in Moscow, I understand.  On several YT videos there are already a bunch of fools blaming CoD with its Moscow airport massacre.

Well I meant recession, corruption, immorality and tyranny all over the world and many douchebags getting away for their crimes, but that also.

Also that mission in MW2 was just pointless, unnecessary sadistic and raises a lot of plotholes.

Modifié par Mesina2, 24 janvier 2011 - 07:45 .

[jojon2se]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The CDN article doesn't say they came to the same conclusion hundreds of years ago.

The article simply says the Asari discounted it. That could well be because that the tests they (the old Asari) were fundamentally flawed, which is possible, or even turned up nothing to support such a theory (such as, by chance, testing on a 'new' mass relay first, and simply finding results that meet expectations).

...or a simple decision that the results does not pass a sanity check, with a following conclusion that the samples must be unreliable, with new and old material continously contaminating the wells. The use of the word "discounted" does indeed suggest that their tests yielded the same results.

[Apocalypse89]

Honestly I was hoping that the final CDN article(at least until it restarts for the DLC and ME3)  would be a bit more climactic, but I guess this is alright too. Looks finally some people outside of Shepard and co. are getting a clue.

[Sith Reaper]

SandTrout wrote...

I say this supports my theory that the Citadel indoctrinates its occupants. There are fewer humans on the citadel than most any other species, and the average human never goes there, so we as a species are not being subconsciously steered away from the obvious conclusions like the other races, who send their brightest minds to the Citadel.
This also fits with Liara figuring out the cycle as a relatively young Asari and being shunned by her fellow scientists. Even she notes that she prefers the dig-sites to a university, and therefore she would probably not have spent a significant amount of time on the Citadel, which is very densely populated.
The fact that Chorban was able to determine the cycle from the Keeper data seems like evidence against my theory except that he is only a recent arrival on the Citadel. He and his Volus colleague only came after they stole the schematics for the scanner he was using, and likely relocated off the citadel once they had the data.

Interesting theory, indeed!

[Yakko77]

Mesina2 wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

General User wrote...

I’m gonna miss CDN, probably more than I should.

I’m not gonna lie, I was more interested in reading the Cerberus News every morning than I was in reading the ‘real news.’

Considering RL news of today, I can't blame you.

If your referring to the bombing in Moscow, I understand.  On several YT videos there are already a bunch of fools blaming CoD with its Moscow airport massacre.

Well I meant recession, corruption, immorality and tyranny all over the world and many douchebags getting away for their crimes, but that also.

Also that mission in MW2 was just pointless, unnecessary sadistic and raises a lot of plotholes.

Yeah, RL  news is tough to watch overall let alone the events outside Moscow today.

As for that massacre scene in MW2, I pretty much boycotted when I saw my roommate playing it and saw him shooting everyone in sight during that part.  I know it's just a game but for me it was a bit much.

[armass]

Where is this species now? I'll tell you Dr. Aurana!



IN DARKSPACE AND THEY ARE COMING FOR US ALL!