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[Collider]

Yes, you're right Makenzie. It no doubt helps a lot. For Mass Effect, in contrast, there were female writers. The content for male and female Shepard is at least somewhat unequal.

[Stanley Woo]

As I've always said: if you cannot take no for an answer (or, in this case, no answer), it is no longer a request. It is a demand.

[namedforthemoon]

Em23 wrote...

They said to wait for the demo...

And that would have been fine, if the cake hadn't been a lie... 

But seriously. The whole "just because you ask for it doesn't mean we're going to give it to you" thing is really dumb when you take into context that Male Hawke's voice has already been heard by people in an official Dev Diary video. Doing the same with Lady Hawke shouldn't be such a burden to the company. If one of your big selling points is a voiced protagonist, then show BOTH voiced protagonists. I'm not going to play Male Hawke and I could care less about him. I want the details on the Female version of Hawke.

[Atakuma]

nevermind

Modifié par Atakuma, 05 février 2011 - 03:13 .

[BurtonSD]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Em23 wrote...

They said to wait for the demo...

And that would have been fine, if the cake hadn't been a lie... 

But seriously. The whole "just because you ask for it doesn't mean we're going to give it to you" thing is really dumb when you take into context that Male Hawke's voice has already been heard by people in an official Dev Diary video. Doing the same with Lady Hawke shouldn't be such a burden to the company. If one of your big selling points is a voiced protagonist, then show BOTH voiced protagonists. I'm not going to play Male Hawke and I could care less about him. I want the details on the Female version of Hawke.

I'm going to bake you a cake. We shall not have lies in here!

[namedforthemoon]

Stanley Woo wrote...

As I've always said: if you cannot take no for an answer (or, in this case, no answer), it is no longer a request. It is a demand.

Well Stan, that's the thing with us fans. You have to spell it out for us, or else we go into a tizzy. We've been asking for a proper confirmation of WILL WE HEAR LADY HAWKE'S VOICE BEFORE THE DEMO COMES OUT but no one has cared to respond to that.

If the answer is yes, then cool If the answer is no, then okay! At least we got a clear answer and we can go waste our time on something else.

[MKDAWUSS]

Merci357 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Well it's certainly clear now that Bioware has never had any intention of treating Lady Hawke as anything more than an afterthought to more important things, like Male Hawke's beard.

If you are talking about the marketing department, I'd agree. I really don't think the developers treated her as the stepchild.

But is it the marketing team that releases all pre-release material?

Maybe once the game comes out we can see how much of the blame the devs share, but I do agree that as of right now, most of it falls to the marketing team.

It won't be too much longer until we can see what we want to see regarding the female Hawke.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Collider wrote...

One problem is that the lack of marketing, even if the content in the actual game is superb, means that many potential players wouldn't even know you could play as female in the game. The ability to choose your gender, class, love interest, etc is a big draw for Bioware games - it seems rather silly how underrepresented the female player character is. I mean, if nothing else, putting "play as male or female" on the back of the case wouldn't kill sales, would it?

That happened to me with Mass Effect. I was traveling at that time and had very limited time on the internet and didn't visit the forums at all. I saw some trailers and stuff and thought: 'eh, I don't wanna play as him'. Then I got the game for free when I got my xbox and tried it just because it's a BioWare game. Surprise surprise, you could play as a woman.

[Merci357]

Stanley Woo wrote...

As I've always said: if you cannot take no for an answer (or, in this case, no answer), it is no longer a request. It is a demand.

We get the demo, so maybe it isn't an issue. The demo itself is as surprising as nice, no doubt about that, and since you can use FemHawke in the demo, she is used for marketing purposes. So, in a way that's a lot of steps up compared to past games.

What *I* don't get is - why make a secret about the voice actors in general, especially this close to release? Would it hurt anyone if we'd knew who was her voice actor? Or the cast in general? Movies advertise with this, and you often use celebrities as well.

[Stanley Woo]

namedforthemoon wrote...
Well Stan, that's the thing with us fans. You have to spell it out for us, or else we go into a tizzy.

didn't Chris Priestly say this just a few pages ago, because that's where I found it, quoted a couple times by folks who were discussing it:

Here's a thought:
There is a DA2 demo coming.
You can play as male or FEMALE Hawke
Hawke will speak in teh dmeo.
Problem solved. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

It's almost like people have decided that getting into a tizzy is what gets results so y'all are tizzying way more than usual.

[tickles44]

I've been lurking on this thread for a while and thought I'd throw in my opinion. It's one thing to say that marketing wants to create an iconic brand or whatever and they don't want to confuse potential customers. I can accept that even if it makes gaming customers seem unintelligent. But if you have a company that is known for having gender choice as part of their games, and have had that company's game developers refer to Hawke as "The man or woman" that the player can control, and then only have the dev diaries show Male Hawke. Wouldn't that confuse potential customers? If I didn't know anything about the game and heard that I could choose my gender, then only saw one gender I would assume that they either misspoke or that the other gender was not as good as the one shown. Not to mention that since we know who voices Male Hawke, it wouldn't be too much of a hassle to reveal who at least voices Female Hawke. They don't have to show a clip of her speaking or anything, just a name. Then you would get the people who were curiour about Fem-Hawke excited, which would make them more likely to download the demo in order to hear her. More people playing the demo equals more people buying the game, which is good from a marketing standpoint.

*runs back behing lurking curtain*

[yoshibb]

Yellow Words wrote...

Collider wrote...

One problem is that the lack of marketing, even if the content in the actual game is superb, means that many potential players wouldn't even know you could play as female in the game. The ability to choose your gender, class, love interest, etc is a big draw for Bioware games - it seems rather silly how underrepresented the female player character is. I mean, if nothing else, putting "play as male or female" on the back of the case wouldn't kill sales, would it?

That happened to me with Mass Effect. I was traveling at that time and had very limited time on the internet and didn't visit the forums at all. I saw some trailers and stuff and thought: 'eh, I don't wanna play as him'. Then I got the game for free when I got my xbox and tried it just because it's a BioWare game. Surprise surprise, you could play as a woman.

Pretty much the same for me. I've said before that I never knew who Bioware was before Mass Effect. I almost skipped over it cause I thought it was another generic space marine game. I rented it and lo and behold it was the greatest game I ever played.

I just wonder how many girls there are that just decided not to give it a shot based on commercials, boxart, and marketing. 

[Ziggy]

So that's definitely it then?
The extent of femhawke marketing is one official screenshot and the option to play as her in the demo?

edit: i'm another girl who only picked up ME once a friend said you didn't have to play as maleshep

Modifié par Em23, 05 février 2011 - 03:33 .

[Collider]

I wonder if there's some fear that showing that you can create your character (as male or female) would somehow scare away people.

[Foxvos]

It should not take sixty billion dollars nor thirty billion hours to show a simple clip of female hawke speaking. You have thousands of clip with male hawke and about two clips with him talking. It doesn't matter if the demo is coming out soon- the fact that Bioware, the company that caters to almost every demographic in-game, is obstinate when it comes to releasing information about the female character and there's really no reason.

Edit:
Sorry Bioware but you took a step back from Dragon Age Origins when it comes to marketing;
you actually showed female characters and such.

With Dragon Age 2 because you put in voiced protaganist- you revealed the male but not the female? Give me a good reason.

Modifié par Foxvos, 05 février 2011 - 03:32 .

[Addai]

Merci357 wrote...

What *I* don't get is - why make a secret about the voice actors in general, especially this close to release? Would it hurt anyone if we'd knew who was her voice actor? Or the cast in general? Movies advertise with this, and you often use celebrities as well.

It is puzzling, for sure.  I thought that's usually a selling point- we've got so and so in the cast.  But the marketing scheme seems to be to keep a lot of stuff under wraps.  I'm sure there's a method to the madness, just not sure what that is.

And is anyone "tizzying"?  I don't see much tizzy.  This has been a pretty steady topic on the board since day one.  Not just the VA but femHawke in general.

[yoshibb]

Collider wrote...

I wonder if there's some fear that showing that you can create your character (as male or female) would somehow scare away people.

If people are somehow scared and against that you can play a female, I don't see how they would like Bioware's games to begin with. It implies some overly masculine anxiety more suited for games like Gears of War. 

[Collider]

yoshibb wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder if there's some fear that showing that you can create your character (as male or female) would somehow scare away people.

If people are somehow scared and against that you can play a female, I don't see how they would like Bioware's games to begin with. It implies some overly masculine anxiety more suited for games like Gears of War. 

Yep.

[Foxvos]

Also it's insulting to say that we're "tizzying".

We've been asking and we've been waiting patiently for many months.

[Eternal Dust]

Addai67 wrote...
And is anyone "tizzying"?  I don't see much tizzy.  This has been a pretty steady topic on the board since day one.  Not just the VA but femHawke in general.

Yes, we're being very reasonable people here. *hides the Murder Knife and the skinned cat*

On a serious note, nobody actually ever gave us an answer to the one question I think people were asking. "Will we get to hear FemHawke before the demo is released?" I guess Chris' remark that we'll hear her in the demo is an offhanded "no." Meh. Sometimes I wish I had evil BioWare powers...

[Ninotchka]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's almost like people have decided that getting into a tizzy is what gets results so y'all are tizzying way more than usual.

That's not fair. The people who went ape**** over the whole demo thing were tizzying more than usual (making threats, starting protest banners etc.)

We are still at about the 'rational' level of tizzy about an issue that's tizzyworthy.

[Minxie]

Collider wrote...
Yea. And I have to wonder what having generic trailers with generic male protagonist actually does to help sales.

Something I've always thought would be absolutely fabuleuse is if one of these male/female player character RPGs (like Baldur's Gate, KOTOR or NWN2 etc) got adapted into an excellent and well-received live action movie or high-budget tv miniseries... and the lead character was chosen to be a woman. Like a female Revan, a female Gorion's Ward, a female Kalach'cha. If that happened Bioware marketing would be tripping over themselves to feature the female player character in all future Dragon Age and Mass Effect advertising.

(It wouldn't even be that much of a stretch to imagine that those games I listed would make much better movies/series featuring a female main character. In particular I think this is true in the case of BG and NWN2. The heroic leading man at the center of the prophecy, the chosen one, has become a cliche these days, but not so for a leading lady I think.)

[Foxvos]

Gah- Bioware, I'm starting to have a love-hate relationship with you.

Your games are amazing and instant classics.

But your marketing makes me think of the Victorian ages sometime.



I mean seriously the male audience is not that stupid.

They will not be confused with a clip of the female character.

[tigrina]

Oh forget it.

Modifié par tigrina, 05 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[Altima Darkspells]

Collider wrote...

I wonder if there's some fear that showing that you can create your character (as male or female) would somehow scare away people.

This is a very real problem.  I hear it's very likely that playing--much less actually buying--a game where someone else can play a different gender (even if their own gender is that gender) turns people homosexual.

Clearly, they're doing the right thing by not showing LadyHawke.

Or...are they?  DUN DUN DUN.