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[Stanley Woo]

Ninotchka wrote...
We are still at about the 'rational' level of tizzy about an issue that's tizzyworthy.

As long as the tizzy is about gender politics and marketing, i can not participate in this thread. If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can. Sorry, kind of a resolution this year.

[namedforthemoon]

Foxvos wrote...

Also it's insulting to say that we're "tizzying".
We've been asking and we've been waiting patiently for many months.

Sorry, I'm the one that used the word tizzy, Stan's just quoting me. I think.

[Drizzt ORierdan]

I'm reeaaally dissapointed. I thought we might have some reveal about this by now...

Having said that, its clear to me that Bioware decided that this is not an important issue. Or maybe that releasing a demo in which they also include the Lady Hawke, is more than enough.

EITHER WAY, I think that hammering a point which I absolutely agree with, only serves the purpose of adding salt to the wounds. Though I share the frustration wholeheartedly, I'm not into self-flagelation.

Lets hope that in a week someone can post some footage of her somewhere. I'll be thrilled I'm sure. I'll drink to that. :-)



Stanley: You are indeed  a funny guy... One thing is to say "You're not getting her voice, live with that..." Im perfectly OK with that. The other is to "recommend" us to talk about "her awesome voice " when there is none. Are you just "funny" or just mocking us? 

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 05 février 2011 - 04:09 .

[Stanley Woo]

namedforthemoon wrote...
Sorry, I'm the one that used the word tizzy, Stan's just quoting me. I think.

I've been using the word "tizzy" all week to describe some of the "excitement" we've seen recently, so perhaps we're quoting each other.

[Foxvos]

It's not about gender politics! It's about showing us a clip!

Really! It doesn't have to go into gender politics if we see atleast more marketing for female hawke.





Seriously and it's not like we're fighting for the cover and blur trailer.



We want a single maybe 30 second clip.

[tigrina]

Stanley Woo wrote...
If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can.

Does she makes Sirens cry?
Can she sing?

/thinks Woo is doing headology on us
/also got a unicorn spark of hope! just maybe..

Modifié par tigrina, 05 février 2011 - 03:53 .

[Foxvos]

She better make all the sirens cry if we have to wait this long.

[Stanley Woo]

tigrina wrote...
Does she makes Sirens cry?
Can she sing?

Sadly, no singing.

[PoisonTheCity]

Foxvos wrote...
We want a single maybe 30 second clip.

I'd enjoy a simple name at this point.

[namedforthemoon]

tigrina wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can.

Does she makes Sirens cry?
Can she sing?

/thinks Woo is doing headology on us
/also got a unicorn spark of hope! just maybe..

More importantly, does she make the dolphins cry?

[yoshibb]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Ninotchka wrote...
We are still at about the 'rational' level of tizzy about an issue that's tizzyworthy.

As long as the tizzy is about gender politics and marketing, i can not participate in this thread. If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can. Sorry, kind of a resolution this year.

That's an interesting resolution 

In all seriousness, if I ever had a chance to, I would definitely like to have conversation about gender politics in marketing with someone in the business, particularly someone who markets games that are both male and female oriented. It really doesn't effect me too much. I know that I'll get great female characters from Bioware games. But I do feel like it is limiting Bioware's overall market for continuing in this way.

Perhaps, there's more research that I'm not aware of. Like a game that totally bombed because the company marketed both protagonists.  

[Foxvos]

PoisonTheCity wrote...

Foxvos wrote...
We want a single maybe 30 second clip.

I'd enjoy a simple name at this point.

Seriously Bioware we're asking this much.

[Malevolence65]

It's my opinion that this whole thing is completely pathetic (on Bioware's end, the people in this thread are being civil and polite). I may not know much about marketing, but I do know that this isn't the way it's usually done.

[Ziggy]

Stanley Woo wrote...

If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can.

We'd love nothing more than to be able to talk about how awsome her voice acting is but unfortunatly we haven't heard it yet.

[Stanley Woo]

namedforthemoon wrote...
More importantly, does she make the dolphins cry?

Live is one of my favourite bands. And i think LadyHawke's voice will make you run to the water. in my opinion, Merrill's voice makes the dolphins cry (in a ood way, of course).

[marquiseondore]

Maybe we'll find out who are the main VA's during Warrior Week.

[Foxvos]

yoshibb wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Ninotchka wrote...
We are still at about the 'rational' level of tizzy about an issue that's tizzyworthy.

As long as the tizzy is about gender politics and marketing, i can not participate in this thread. If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can. Sorry, kind of a resolution this year.

That's an interesting resolution 

In all seriousness, if I ever had a chance to, I would definitely like to have conversation about gender politics in marketing with someone in the business, particularly someone who markets games that are both male and female oriented. It really doesn't effect me too much. I know that I'll get great female characters from Bioware games. But I do feel like it is limiting Bioware's overall market for continuing in this way.

Perhaps, there's more research that I'm not aware of. Like a game that totally bombed because the company marketed both protagonists.  

I think one of the Dev put Jade Empire as that reason.

Though I blame it on the setting.
It's a mythical Chinese game with kungfu. Already that's a small niche.
Though that game is the most underrated game ever.

[Foxvos]

Em23 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
If we're still talking about LadyHawke voice acting and how awesome she is, then I can.

We'd love nothing more than to be able to talk about how awsome her voice acting is but unfortunatly we haven't heard it yet.

That's practically trying to tell a deaf guy what a sound is...
Gah I suck at analogies.

[tigrina]

Stanley Woo wrote...
Live is one of my favourite bands. And i think LadyHawke's voice will make you run to the water. in my opinion,

I really like the song.. but I'm curious of what this means?

[Merci357]

yoshibb wrote...

That's an interesting resolution 

In all seriousness, if I ever had a chance to, I would definitely like to have conversation about gender politics in marketing with someone in the business, particularly someone who markets games that are both male and female oriented. It really doesn't effect me too much. I know that I'll get great female characters from Bioware games. But I do feel like it is limiting Bioware's overall market for continuing in this way.

Perhaps, there's more research that I'm not aware of. Like a game that totally bombed because the company marketed both protagonists.  

Well, there are games that did not that well - and had a female lead. Mirror's Edge comes to mind. Even though a possible sequel to that one is still up in the air, afaik - and I've no idea if Faith was the reason ME did somewhat poorly. On the other hand, there are dozens of games that bombed, and had the typical male lead. Since there are movies (of any possible genre) that did well with a female lead, why should games be any different?
*Edit* And, in BioWare's case, we aren't even talking about a female lead, "just" a co-lead.

Modifié par Merci357, 05 février 2011 - 04:08 .

[Stanley Woo]

Foxvos wrote...
That's practically trying to tell a deaf guy what a sound is...
Gah I suck at analogies.

That's fine, Foxvos. Then I will stop.

[TheRevanchist]

Well ladies I'll tell ya...the gameing audience mainly is men. Not just men either...big strong manly men who need to be reminded they can play as big strong manly men as offten as possible in order to remind themselves they are big strong manly men and that theres no way a woman is capable of doing the job of their big strong manly man or else they would feel less like big strong manly men which might cause them the break the #1 manly men rule...no crying EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER even if your arms cut off. 

Modifié par kylecouch, 05 février 2011 - 04:15 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

PoisonTheCity wrote...

Foxvos wrote...
We want a single maybe 30 second clip.

I'd enjoy a simple name at this point.

I second that. 

[Collider]

I wonder if there's going to be a similar disparity in quality of the voice acting between male and female Hawke, as there was with Shepard (imo).

[Foxvos]

kylecouch wrote...

Well ladies I'll tell ya...the gameing audience mainly is men. Not just men either...big strong manly men who need to be reminded they can play as big strong manly men as offten as possible in order to remind themselves they are big strong manly men and that theres no way a woman is capable of doing the job of their big strong manly man or else they would feel less like big strong manly men.

Everytime somebody says big strong manly man
I think of Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.

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