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[StarGateGod]

Reallly should i kill him, and im thinking past the ethics of lettingthose people die, and thinking instead to the facxt that the reapers are coming, is it better for them to retain a powerful leader ship or should i cut of its head and let them crumble into dust?

[Bullets McDeath]

Are you talking about Zaeed's loyalty mission? I doubt whether Vido lives or dies will matter to the Reaper plot... it doesn't seem to slow the Blue Suns down too much, either. Do what you want to do.



Zaeed is one of my favorite squadmates, so I usually let him run the show on that mission. After all, YOU did not accept the contract to save the workers from the Blue Suns, Zaeed did. Zaeed blew off the main objective to go after something more important to him; since Shepard is there to help Zaeed accomplish his goal and not to fulfill Zaeed's contract, I just went with it.



I'm a Renegade anyway but that was my line of thought on the matter.

[SandTrout]

Paragon saved the workers and punched Zaeed in the jaw.



Renegade was pissed that Zaeed changed the mission parameters with no warning. It would have been nice to know going in that Zaeed was just there for revenge, but as outlaworacle said, it was his contract, let him do what he wants with it.

[jbblue05]

Vido is the brains behinds the Blue Suns.

With his death their will likely be a lot of infighting for control of the Blue Suns.



The Blue Suns will recover in time.and they could get nastier.



Living Vido alive could send him into hiding or it could lead to the Blue Suns being a constant thorn in Shepard's side in ME3

[JG The Gamer]

Let's break this down shall we?

1) Vido must die - Ultimately you decide to sacrifice the workers to make sure Vido is hunted down and killed. From what Zaeed has told you, Vido is a madman who has no problem hiring batarians (Zaeed says they're nothing but terrorists), which implies Zaeed may have been more ethical at one time or another. The Blue Suns are basically thugs under Vido and by stopping Vido, not another person dies by that man's hand. The consequence is that the refinery is destroyed which was what the company did not want, and that you get to hear the screams of the workers as they are burned alive. Zaeed is loyal to you as a result.

2) Save the workers - You forget about Vido for all of two minutes and you rescue the workers. Unfortunately, two minutes was all Vido needed in order to get away. However, you do save the workers and the refinery by putting out the fire. The consequences being that Vido gets away to set up shop somewhere else and that Zaeed is angry with you and disloyal as a result (can be rectified with the right morality check).

It's a tough call to make. Let a few people burn and stop a madman, or save innocent lives and let the madman go.

[Katamariguy]

The problem is that we don't know if killing Vido will actually harm the Blue Suns in the long run.

[Sidac]

I always kill him. Listening to the screams of the innocent being burned alive is like music to my ears. Such a symphony it is!

While I dont do it for that reason, I do it because I think blowing up an oil refinery will come to bit me in the arse in some way in ME3.

Modifié par Sidac, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:25 .

[magelet]

I've never not killed Vido. Abandoning the mission in order to save some random people seemed unShepard-like to me.



Vido is established as being dangerous, and the Blue Suns are often trying to kill you. Whereas it really doesn't make a difference in the wider scheme of things whether the workers live or die.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Oddly enough, it takes less time to go through the Paragon route than the Renegade route, because of the lack of combat. But you still miss Vido.

[fongiel24]

magelet wrote...

I've never not killed Vido. Abandoning the mission in order to save some random people seemed unShepard-like to me.

Vido is established as being dangerous, and the Blue Suns are often trying to kill you. Whereas it really doesn't make a difference in the wider scheme of things whether the workers live or die.

I actually reached the opposite conclusion. The mission wasn't to kill Vido - the mission was to take back the refinery intact. Zaeed misled Shepard and got him to go to Zorya under false pretenses. Only once Shepard was on the ground did Zaeed reveal that they were there to kill Vido.

As for Vido himself, he might be a dangerous individual, but there's no guarantee the person who replaces him will be any better. His only significance to me was that Zaeed was holding a grudge against him. Considering Zaeed misled me and brashly set the refinery on fire, I wasn't feeling very charitable toward him and let Vido go.

[Asheer_Khan]

Something tells me that tim do known Zaeed true intentions on Zorya since he (again) keep that part of the contract in secret from Shepard letting Zaeed to create "false" tale about refinery and hostages.



For my Shep Vido is just insignificant nobody... on the other hand... why many of you believe so unconditional in Zaeed's story about his "relationship" with Vido and Blue Suns?



Just because Zaeed is so "cool"?... let's not forget that we known only his side of the coin since he didn't get us any chance to even try to ask Vido what is going on?



All i known when comes to Zaeed is that he is just old gang leader offended that someone younger than he was able to kick him from the leadership throne... but pity for him he NEED to learn his place in Shep's team and if he once again will try "recreating" Zorya under my Shep's watch he will recive another bullet straight in his head without single word of explanation why.

[Da_Lion_Man]

I wouldn't kill him. Even if I did, it probably wouldn't make much of a difference. At best the company may be disoriented but someone will definitely step up in that situation and lead the company.

[Dean_the_Young]

How positively fascist of you, Khan.



You make baby gestapo cry tears of pride.

[Asheer_Khan]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How positively fascist of you, Khan.

You make baby gestapo cry tears of pride.

REPORTED

[Encarmine]

haha what the hell Asheer_Khan. report me also



How Positively fascist of you, Khan, you make baby gestapo cry tears of pride!!!



Zeig Heil Khan



i cba with these forums anymore anyway lol

[Xilizhra]

To be fair, Zaeed's the only squad member who's tried to outright betray Shepard. Not a good quality to have in a teammate when you're trying to save the galaxy.

[Gabey5]

my shepard is a grand scheme kinda guy.... killing vido is a favour to the galaxy.

[horacethegrey]

These are one of the decisions in the game that are pretty easy for me. Short answer: let Vido go. I don't care if Zaeed got half his face shot off and he wants payback, he deliberately misled Shepard to his true intents on the mission. The mission was of course to liberate the refinery, but Zaeed disobeyed and ignored Shepard's authority.

I like Zaeed, really I do. But he deserved a good ass kicking for his insubordination.

[Praetor Knight]

Xilizhra wrote...

To be fair, Zaeed's the only squad member who's tried to outright betray Shepard. Not a good quality to have in a teammate when you're trying to save the galaxy.

I've been mostly paragon in my playthroughs, and the last time I did that LM I decided to chose only the Renegade options to see how the conversation goes and it was certainly interesting. For me, I think that was pretty well written, and Shepard can decide what to do after that worker comes out telling Shep that they cannot reach the controls or what not.

So, I guess one way to see that mission is that you are doing Zaeed a favor, because when you first recruit him he tells you he just picked up a mission and that he wants to take care of it asap.

But outright betrayal? I dunno for sure how to think about that, but going the paragon route, Zaeed does sorta flip out and Shep then can put Zaeed in his place or leave him.

Also, I'd guess that TIM has outright betrayed Shepard two to three times through the course of ME2 with Horizon, the Collector Ship, and maybe with the dead Reaper. So Zaeed flipping out at the end of the paragon route is not an outright betrayal IMHO.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:30 .

[FlintlockJazz]

I leave Zaeed to die. Just wish I could put a bullet in his head as I leave but will just have to settle for him dying the same way he wanted to do to the workers. The mission might have been about gaining his loyalty but he failed to gain mine, just like he failed to keep the loyalty of the Blue Suns. If he survives and comes back to get me I'll joyfully kill him again, I just loved the way he cried out "SHEPARD!!!!" as I flew away. Cliched wannabe-be badasses deserve no better.

[Dean_the_Young]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How positively fascist of you, Khan.

You make baby gestapo cry tears of pride.

REPORTED

Khan, anyone who's proposed solution can be summed up as 'and then I shoot him in the head with malicious glee to show him his place' can be called a fascist.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 24 janvier 2011 - 03:47 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

To be fair, Zaeed's the only squad member who's tried to outright betray Shepard. Not a good quality to have in a teammate when you're trying to save the galaxy.

Betray?

That's more than a little overstating it. First off, betray you in favor of whom?

At worst, Zaeed can be accused of going too far in a confrontation you were already having.

[Flamewielder]

Saving the refinery pay more in terms of credits and loot than killing Vido off, plus it's what Zaeed was originally hired to do. So plenty of motivation to save the refinery (and workers) regardless of wether you are paragon or renegade.

Vido is not a threat to you personally. Plus, assuming you survive the mission and played LoTS, you can ask the SB for Vido's secret hidout location and even provide Zaeed with a hovertank armed with missiles... and once you showered the local landscape with Vido's miscelaneous bodyparts and demonstrated yourself the new leader of the pack, you can give the Blue Suns their old manager back and even use them against the Reapers.

Paragon, Renegade... the possibilities are endless...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:19 .

[Xilizhra]

Khan, anyone who's proposed solution can be summed up as 'and then I shoot him in the head with malicious glee to show him his place' can be called a fascist.

Fascism is political. How can a dispute between two soldiers be called that?

That's more than a little overstating it. First off, betray you in favor of whom?

It's impossible to betray someone in favor of oneself?

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Do whatever you want OP, Zaeed's a pretty chill cat - he'll go along with whatever you say easily enough.