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[InvincibleHero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ah, so apparently Shepard's actually a Dutch underwear model. Good to know!

 I don't want to know how you knew that factoid. He's just the default facial reconstruction of male Shepard anyway. oh wait his face is just marketing Shepard or is that iconic Shepard.?

[SithLordExarKun]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

We all KNOW male shep is canon

No we don't. 

Woo says otherwise because if not it would be bad publicity to alienate a community's female gamers

Woo isn't the only Biowarian to say otherwise. You can invent all the reasons you like for why what they've said doesn't really count, but that doesn't change the facts.

all marketing done with shepard is male
default everything is male

The first time I ever realized that you could be female in this game was after I bought the game. I didnt really follow dev comments

I'm not really inventing these reasons. It's bloody common sense where this is all going, and why "canonicity" is such an edgy topic. The easiest solution of course is to say there is no canon

If the default was male, why is there even an option to select for female?

[AdmiralCheez]

InvincibleHero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ah, so apparently Shepard's actually a Dutch underwear model. Good to know!

 I don't want to know how you knew that factoid. He's just the default facial reconstruction of male Shepard anyway. oh wait his face is just marketing Shepard or is that iconic Shepard.?

Hey man, with your logic, default/marketing = canon.

Therefore, Shepard is a Dutch underwear model.

[Mecha Tengu]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

We all KNOW male shep is canon

No we don't. 

Woo says otherwise because if not it would be bad publicity to alienate a community's female gamers

Woo isn't the only Biowarian to say otherwise. You can invent all the reasons you like for why what they've said doesn't really count, but that doesn't change the facts.

all marketing done with shepard is male
default everything is male

The first time I ever realized that you could be female in this game was after I bought the game. I didnt really follow dev comments

I'm not really inventing these reasons. It's bloody common sense where this is all going, and why "canonicity" is such an edgy topic. The easiest solution of course is to say there is no canon

If the default was male, why is there even an option to select for female?

because in the 21th century wimminz play video games

[SithLordExarKun]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

We all KNOW male shep is canon

No we don't. 

Woo says otherwise because if not it would be bad publicity to alienate a community's female gamers

Woo isn't the only Biowarian to say otherwise. You can invent all the reasons you like for why what they've said doesn't really count, but that doesn't change the facts.

all marketing done with shepard is male
default everything is male

The first time I ever realized that you could be female in this game was after I bought the game. I didnt really follow dev comments

I'm not really inventing these reasons. It's bloody common sense where this is all going, and why "canonicity" is such an edgy topic. The easiest solution of course is to say there is no canon

If the default was male, why is there even an option to select for female?

because in the 21th century wimminz play video games

And this is defined as canon how?

[Mecha Tengu]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

We all KNOW male shep is canon

No we don't. 

Woo says otherwise because if not it would be bad publicity to alienate a community's female gamers

Woo isn't the only Biowarian to say otherwise. You can invent all the reasons you like for why what they've said doesn't really count, but that doesn't change the facts.

all marketing done with shepard is male
default everything is male

The first time I ever realized that you could be female in this game was after I bought the game. I didnt really follow dev comments

I'm not really inventing these reasons. It's bloody common sense where this is all going, and why "canonicity" is such an edgy topic. The easiest solution of course is to say there is no canon

If the default was male, why is there even an option to select for female?

because in the 21th century wimminz play video games

And this is defined as canon how?

RPGs have choice, but to keep a main basis for the story, canon establishes shep as male

I bet eventually mass effect will have a spinoff game FPS or action game, and they will take into basis on what a male shepard has done in a default game

[SithLordExarKun]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

RPGs have choice, but to keep a main basis for the story, canon establishes shep as male

According to who? Some random joe like you or the devs who stated theres no canon?

Mecha Tengu wrote...
I bet eventually mass effect will have a spinoff game FPS or action game, and they will take into basis on what a male shepard has done in a default game

And you will likely lose that bet

[JKoopman]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

We all KNOW male shep is canon

Woo says otherwise because if not it would be bad publicity to alienate a community's female gamers

then again I don't think there is any justification for trying to establish canon in an open ended, customized RPG

How do we KNOW that male Shepard is "canon"? The only thing we KNOW is that, according to BioWare, there is no canon Shepard. Jebus people, how can you argue with that?

"But male Shepard is used in all the advertising!" I hear you say. It's advertising! They have to use someone. Should they create some androgynous, gender-neutral amalgam Shepard so that neither side feels left out?

BioWare says THERE IS NO CANON SHEPARD. THERE IS ONLY AN ICONIC SHEPARD USED FOR MARKETING PURPOSES. End of story. There's no point arguing it.

then why not have some trailers market with femshep in them

Because that would be confusing to consumers.

Also, there are plenty of gameplay videos on the Mass Effect site that show FemShep.

Modifié par JKoopman, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:21 .

[Joram Talid]

mecha tengu: idiot, troll or long lost twin? taking all votes!

[didymos1120]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

RPGs have choice, but to keep a main basis for the story, canon establishes shep as male

So that's why all those canon materials like the novels and comics refer to Shep as male...hey wait a minute:  no, they don't.

[didymos1120]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Hey man, with your logic, default/marketing = canon.

Therefore, Shepard is a Dutch underwear model.

Unless you're playing ME1, in which case "canon" Shep is really just some random dude on the cover:

[JKoopman]

didymos1120 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Hey man, with your logic, default/marketing = canon.

Therefore, Shepard is a Dutch underwear model.

Unless you're playing ME1, in which case "canon" Shep is really just some random dude on the cover:

Or go by the cover for Mass Effect 2 where Shepard looks like a soccer hooligan.

[didymos1120]

BTW, since marketing material is apparently the final word, I'm still waiting for my answer about whether it's "canon" that the M-490 Blackstorm gun opens a portal to some random toilet. It's in that Gamestop commercial, so it must be "canon" right?

[habitat 67]

I don't understand what OP guy's point is.

[Lycidas]

BW used an iconic warden for the Dragon Age trailers yet this specific warden was not even in the character creator as a preset. How does that fit your theory?

[ODST 5723]

There are canonical points to Shepard regardless of each players choices. There are also some canonical outcomes of certain events which are shown in the books/comics.



The majority of the minutia is in flux, but the main plot points are intact and canonical.

[Praetor Knight]

adam_grif wrote...

The canon policy of a given fictional universe is entirely up to the creators. Bioware has not layed out their canon. Cutscenes, Codex and Gameplay all contradict each other on numerous things. Which one of the three is the "most canonical" (i.e. overrides the others when contradictions happen) is unknown.

I like how the ME universe is done, where there are unknowns,

but, for better or for worse, the Codex trumps all in the Wiki.

[InvincibleHero]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

So, canonically, Saren's head is larger than Shepard himself?

Promotional art is never a source of canon, and that includes game boxes.

That's just silly to suggest. It's simple the Commander is depicted as male on both boxes. They have stated they want to market Shepard as male. It is just semantics to say they are separate, but they are one and same. The male is the brand identitiy they established and would be the basis for any lawsuits over IP rights.

There are also many laws at least in US about truth in packaging. It is why we have some really stupid disclaimers, but someone would sue if they are not there like plastic bags saying do not put over head. If a game truly went overboard and showed a dog as the main character and then there is nothing but a pig in the game someone could presumably sue over false advertisement.

It's simple logic they told you we market as male Shepard, male Shepard is on both boxes, and they have established a male in that role in countless videos and promo materials. They say he isn't canon male, but if you showed ten people the boxes and gameplay video I'd say at least 9 of ten would say man. That is their goal even if they say no he's not man. reality and perception not to mention logic says they set canon as male regardless of what they say because with marketing the results are planned.

[InvincibleHero]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

We all KNOW male shep is canon

Woo says otherwise because if not it would be bad publicity to alienate a community's female gamers

then again I don't think there is any justification for trying to establish canon in an open ended, customized RPG

Not really seems like just the two of us using logic.

The rationale is weak. When Nintendo when they revealed in Metroid the main character was Samus Aran sales didn't drop. The Tomb Raider series has done well for itself. The female characters in Soul Calibur and other fighting games are among the most popular so in this day of over 3 decades of video gaming why do they feel the necessity to say we have to market Shepard as male, but that doesn't mean he really is male. It insults the intelligence if you believe that IMO. Apparently some people push company worship too far. I love BW and have bought almost every game they have made for the PC and this is not any criticism of them.

Can't be ME when you say open ended and RPG together.

[Lumenadducere]

Ryzaki wrote...

The hilarity of iconic Shepard being a SS and there being practically no mention of Akuze in ME2 is not lost on me.

Isn't iconic Shep Ruthless?  I thought it was Earthborn & Ruthless...I guess I'll have to check again.

And OP is ignoring anything that goes against his ideas in order to prove some inconsequential point.  Even dismissing dev posts after saying devs are the only ones that can determine what canon is.  I don't think this topic is going anywhere.

[Ryzaki]

Lumenadducere wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The hilarity of iconic Shepard being a SS and there being practically no mention of Akuze in ME2 is not lost on me.

Isn't iconic Shep Ruthless?  I thought it was Earthborn & Ruthless...I guess I'll have to check again.

And OP is ignoring anything that goes against his ideas in order to prove some inconsequential point.  Even dismissing dev posts after saying devs are the only ones that can determine what canon is.  I don't think this topic is going anywhere.

According to one of the devs he was a SS.

Which makes the whole Akuze thing a wallbanger.

And I agree there really isn't a canon Shep there's a default.

And no this thread isn't going anywhere.

[InvincibleHero]

didymos1120 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
Wrong Sheploo is Commander Shepard that is the IP right there. Doesn't matter how they try to explain it away.

Oh, so if there's a trailer or commercial with Sheploo in it, it's canon, even if the actual events in the game don't happen that way, or don't happen at all?

So is this is "canon" then, or does the perma-helmet make it magically not count?



I mean, it's clearly marketing material and it's using the "Sheploo" voice and it also includes a shot of the game box, complete with Sheploo cover art, so it must count right?

You know very well the only thing is male or female shown in anything related to BW. Of course things show pre-release might not make it into the game or be altered. Just if they show the male Shepard +1 and that's it. Anything else is irrelevant in this thread. Though I agree the thread title allows such a topic such was not my intent.

The game box itself and the actual gameplay within the release version should certainly be canon. However, I never made a ludicrous assertion that the box can be used to justify whether something else is canon. Don't try to reach as i know for sure it doesn't make me look bad.

As for the actual comment quoted they can use "Sheploo" to promote breakfast cereal for all I care. They will use Sheploo and not femshep. That is my point they reinforce this male representation is Commander Shepard and certainly no alternatives. This creates the perception and reality that the canon Shepard is male but people want ot buy the it's just for marketing hokum.