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[Sbri]

rma2110 wrote...

I am a Kaidan and Ashley fan, and I would be greatly disappointed if we don't get a conclusion. I feel like Kai and Ash fans have been given the short stick with horizon and Liara's "Shadow Broker" DLC was just rubbing salt in the wound.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed LoTSB and I am happy for the Liara fans. I just want to know when it'll be our turn?

Edit: Let's face it: the reason some us feel shafted is because we have been.

 I couldn't say it any better.

[Dexi]

101 ideas of VS DLC = 101  wishes for what the chars could be like/ 101 ways to fix the chars...

If you'd be ok with what they are you wouldn't craze your mind with ideas for DLCs... why do I need a DLC? I love the chars and I see them perfect, nothing to fix with a DLC ( because, many wish a DLC because they want to "fix" the VS... if I'd get a penny for every post which has "DLC", "VS", and "fix", or a contextual synonym of "fix", I'd be quite rich)...

You don't understand the very basic psychology if you don't understand where the urge of DLC of the VS fanboys/girls comes from.
Or yourself are the minority of minority and really like the chars.

But there's really nothing to be liked at them... Ashley is ugly, she has a lot of women stupidity ( that specific stupidity only women seem to posses - not making women stupid, but stupid women have a stupidity of their own-), and her poetry is pathetic.
As for Kaidan... Carth Onasi with new haircut... and I'll stop here.

Modifié par Dexi, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:27 .

[_John Crichton]

Brodyaha wrote...
Do the minority of people like them?  You could ask the 760 people who joined the DLC group, see the 101 pages of ideas in the Kaidan and Ashley DLC Wishlist thread, or you could go look and see how many people requested Kaidan and Ashley as lithographs.

Not trying to be rude, but 760 people is a minority. When they make a DLC they have to consider what will motivate the most people to buy it. There are millions of Mass Effect 2 players, yet only 760 people that really want a VS DLC.

[MarchWaltz]

I just want my old crew back.

[AdmiralCheez]

I was never fond of Kaishley Willenko, but for the sake of those that do, I hope (s)he gets better treatment in ME3/the last ME2 DLC. Liara was an embarrassment as well, at least until LotSB. Seems like Wrex is the only one who knows how to do a proper in-game cameo.

[Batlass8]

Dexi wrote...

101 ideas of VS DLC = 101  wishes for what the chars could be like/ 101 ways to fix the chars...

If you'd be ok with what they are you wouldn't craze your mind with ideas for DLCs... why do I need a DLC? I love the chars and I see them perfect, nothing to fix with a DLC ( because, many wish a DLC because they want to "fix" the VS... if I'd get a penny for every post which has "DLC", "VS", and "fix", or a contextual synonym of "fix", I'd be quite rich)...

You don't understand the very basic psychology if you don't understand where the urge of DLC of the VS fanboys/girls comes from.
Or yourself are the minority of minority and really like the chars.

But there's really nothing to be liked at them... Ashley is ugly, she has a lot of women stupidity ( that specific stupidity only women seem to posses - not making women stupid, but stupid women have a stupidity of their own-), and her poetry is pathetic.
As for Kaidan... Carth Onasi with new haircut... and I'll stop here.

Well, if you've noticed the number of times "VS" has been paired with "fix" or a synonym of "fix," you've probably also noticed that that phrasing occurs in the context of wanting to fix the character mangling that occured on Horizon, rather than wanting to fix characters that were perfectly fine in ME1. 

I would also argue that there isn't a deep psychological reason that fans of Ashley and Kaidan want to see them in DLC that stems from flaws those characters that fans have been willfully ignoring.  I actually believe that *gasp* those of us who are fans of Ashley or Kaidan are just that: fans.  We like these characters for who they actually are, not who we delusionally imagine they are. (In case there's still some confusion, I give you the third definition of "fan" according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary).

And honestly, if you find nothing likeable about either character, that's your opinion, just as it's my opinion (as a fan) that they are both interesting and excellently written characters.  (Horizon aside; though even there, I think it was in character that neither one immediately jumped on the "Shepard couldn't possibly have made a mistake" bandwagon).  I will ignore the specific-I hesitate to call them reasons, but I suppose it can't be helped-reasons for your dislike of the characters.  Especially of Ashley.  <_<

Modifié par Batlass8, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:48 .

[jeweledleah]

the reason people want Ash/Kaidan DLC is because their story is the only one unresolved so far. its not because they need to be fixed, its not because they are less compelling then other LI's, its because they are the only characters with not currently resolved story arc. if you go into ANY character support thread, not just Ash/Kaidan, you will see fans defending them from people who don't like them. Every single character in a game has their fans and people who dislike them. Ash and Kaidan are not special in that regard, they are only special in the fact that writers didn't finish developing their stories...yet.



Moreover, just because someone is not part of the group doesn't mean they are not supportive of it. I'm far too realistic to think that I'm a special snowflake of a fan who never joined a single group. Heck, a lot of the players never even join the forums. its unrealistic to think that entirety of the game's fan base posts here.





P.S. Horison was awful, emotionally. it was wrenching. but aside from couple of responses, it was realistic. I've read a piece of Shenko fanfic yesterday and as I was reading it, all I could think of - wish fulfillment fantasy. and I kept on expecting the last sentence to be about Shep waking up in her cabin alone, on her way to Omega 4 relay or something, realizing that it was all a dream.



real relationship, deep relationships are never perfect. people don't just mesh seamlessly and always say the right thing. we screw up. a lot. Kaidan and Ash screwed up and their e-mails weren't perfect. they were awkward. Shep wasn't exactly a model of good communication either. that to me makes their relationship more compelling then perfect little ME2 romances.

[hawat333]

TheButterflyEffect wrote... Hmph.

Let's see.
Someone important to you dies. You know that this person is dead.
For two years every night and day you deal with this loss. The pain. The anger. Blaming yourself that you couldn't do anything against it.
You don't get any messages, not even a one line long mail, that he/she is alive. Suddenly the person just shows up, out of the sudden, acting like normal, as it was a casual and common situation.

I would love to see your reaction.
You know what it's called? Human reaction.

[oyukichan]

Getorex wrote...

ShepardOsiris wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Now now...if you played your cards right, you get a little email message after that little bit of cattiness apologizing for the bad behavior and saying it's all good. Thus that little email promises to allow you to bed Ashley again come ME3! Of course, you had to have chosen her in ME1 AND remained faithful up to that little fight...

I assume something similar concerning Kaiden for those who cannot accept the reality of a male Shep and played as a chick fantasy >:-)

   Yeah, I'm well aware of the half ***ed email.  I'm not saying the door isn't open for a return of some sort, but I'm saying in my view, from a character and story perspective, it's a near completely busted relationship.   Every other LI, has a deeper connection now, no matter your choice, they were there and they stood by you when it counted.  Even Liara had a damned good reason and you got a chance to work through it.  

   Bioware wrecked that for Ashley and Kaidan. They took away the option for them to be there for your Shepard through thick and thin.  There is still atleast a chance left to fix it, and even if they just reunite you with them, on some levels it's still a realistic relationship to some degree, as many people that aren't exactly perfect for one another stay together.  However for people that liked Ashley or Kaidan, right now anyway, it seems almost impossible for your Shepard to have a relationship with those characters on the same level as all the other LIs in the series. 

I was being (halfway) facetious. The thing is, I am not expecting some oscar-worthy performance from characters in a video game. A LOT of dialog in the game is hackneyed and forced (but some small bits here and there are fine). See, sure I was bent about how the writers had Ash behave on Horizon. Hell, I was bent about Garrus and a series of other characters before that all UNNATURALLY acting before the miraculous re-appearance of a dead Shepard! Garrus was all "ho-hum" as if he sees dead friends reappearing every day. Tali barely registered surprise at your reanimation. Liara...OK, you can give her SOME excuse since she handed your crispy carcass over to Cerberus and possibly had SOME inkling of what the deal was. Ash, your LI (presumably, or at least a trusted friend/colleague) comes forward and...shakes your hand and is pretty blase about your resurrection. So yeah, on THAT aspect I was already kinked out of true so the infantile anger and rejection of Horizon was just lemon juice on the papercut - but that email washed SOME of the lemon juice away.

There are all sorts of things concerning plot and character development/response/dialog that one can fault here so I just cannot get way too off kink because of the one. Again, I am not expecting "The King's Speech" or "Up in the Air" dialog levels here so water on a (dampened) duck for me.

I'm sure this resurrection thing and the other characters' reaction to it has been discussed 100 times over since ME2 came out, but my take on it is thus:

Resurrection is still not a thing done, even in the future. Liara, Joker and the Cerberus crew are the only ones who really knew Shepard was dead (or "almost dead", though "mostly dead" is how I like to look at it). To everyone else, resurrection is not possible. Only Joker saw Shepard spaced. For all the rest of the galaxy knew, Shepard was presumed dead (KIA, with no body recovered), so Shepard popping back up 2 years later had to have meant that (s)he was alive and out of contact for some reason or another. This is why everyone seems so blase about Shepard's reappearance. Because they just cannot grok the death and resurrection part. Because even in the future, that stuff's just not possible.

So the VS vehemence on Horizon is due to the "you could not possibly have been resurrected so you must have been hiding from me for two years" mind set. It is perfectly logical and reasonable (to me) to have characters behave this way.

What the majority of the VS fans are angry about the Horizon scene is the fact that Shepard is absolutely unresponsive to the VS anger and frustration. This makes Shepard seem like a cyborg and not like the same Shepard they feel like they play as. I know this is what infuriates me the most.

But I KNOW that Bioware will not let me down. Eventually. Right guys?

Modifié par AurinShepard, 24 janvier 2011 - 07:03 .

[syllogi]

Dexi wrote...
But there's really nothing to be liked at them... Ashley is ugly, she has a lot of women stupidity ( that specific stupidity only women seem to posses - not making women stupid, but stupid women have a stupidity of their own-), and her poetry is pathetic.
As for Kaidan... Carth Onasi with new haircut... and I'll stop here.

Yep.  You should really stop there.

Many, many people like Ashley and Kaidan just the way they are...deal with it.  You can't even articulately express why you don't like them (seriously, look at that quote, look at your choices...), so it's probably for the best that you just go away quietly and stop making yourself look silly.

Unless you want to tell us more about "women stupidity."   Really.  Tell us more.

[Getorex]

There IS the possibility that we wont get an Ash/Kaiden DLC because they will be thoroughly dealt in with ME3 and any "issues" with their characters and Shepard will be ironed out there. If they are back on the crew then that pretty much assures this. One or the other is dead, depending on what you did in ME1 so let's consider them one character: they are the only character at this point that hasn't been fleshed out with a DLC. The reason would seem (Occam's Razor) to be because their character will be back in ME3 and that gives the entire game a chance to resolve their situation.

[Cru Hunter]

I didn't mind the way things turned out on Horizon. Initially it was kind of weird, but I kind of accepted the way things were I guess. They'll be around for ME3 for sure. Bioware's made promises of rewards for faithful fans of Ash/Kaidan ever since the game's release.

[Getorex]

TeenZombie wrote...

Dexi wrote...
But there's really nothing to be liked at them... Ashley is ugly, she has a lot of women stupidity ( that specific stupidity only women seem to posses - not making women stupid, but stupid women have a stupidity of their own-), and her poetry is pathetic.
As for Kaidan... Carth Onasi with new haircut... and I'll stop here.

Yep.  You should really stop there.

Many, many people like Ashley and Kaidan just the way they are...deal with it.  You can't even articulately express why you don't like them (seriously, look at that quote, look at your choices...), so it's probably for the best that you just go away quietly and stop making yourself look silly.

Unless you want to tell us more about "women stupidity."   Really.  Tell us more.

That whole Dexi "thing" was quite something. Hell, I wouldn't say all that SORT of thing even when I'm in a mood to light a forum fire and mess with people.

As for Ash's poetry being "stupid"...hey Dex, it is pretty much not HER poetry. It is Walt Whitman (O Captain, my captain...) and other notables. Dex, may not like her delivery or her heavy-handed addition of same to normal conversation but so what - I'd say he is talking JUST to ****** certain people off.

Personally, I'd say Ash was rather hot. Her image reminds me of someone but I cannot identify who that is or if it is a woman from my own past or a celeb. All I know is her look rings my bells the right way. Kaiden...I've already said what I thought of him previously, adn I have no desire/patience/need to look up Carth Onasi.

As for the whole "woman stupid in a way only women can be stupid"...I've known stupid in my life and I cannot say it had a gender bias. The entire Teabagger Party, for instance, full of intense and singular stoopid that is neither male or female dominated. Perhaps Dex hangs out with a particular crowd of woman so that he self-selects for a particular kind of stupid.

[Funkcase]

John Crichton wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...
Do the minority of people like them?  You could ask the 760 people who joined the DLC group, see the 101 pages of ideas in the Kaidan and Ashley DLC Wishlist thread, or you could go look and see how many people requested Kaidan and Ashley as lithographs.

Not trying to be rude, but 760 people is a minority. When they make a DLC they have to consider what will motivate the most people to buy it. There are millions of Mass Effect 2 players, yet only 760 people that really want a VS DLC.

It is compared to the whole ME fanbase, but not on this site it ain't, that's just people from this site. I am sure if it covered more sites it will be a higher number. You cant assume that it's only people on this site that want a VS dlc. There are people who ain't members (or dont post on BSN) who want to see Ash and Kaidan again, and that groups is growing almost everyday.

Edit: Dexi is just trolling, (he ain't being subtle) just dont respond to him.

Modifié par Funkcase, 24 janvier 2011 - 07:49 .

[Getorex]

Funkcase wrote...

John Crichton wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...
Do the minority of people like them?  You could ask the 760 people who joined the DLC group, see the 101 pages of ideas in the Kaidan and Ashley DLC Wishlist thread, or you could go look and see how many people requested Kaidan and Ashley as lithographs.

Not trying to be rude, but 760 people is a minority. When they make a DLC they have to consider what will motivate the most people to buy it. There are millions of Mass Effect 2 players, yet only 760 people that really want a VS DLC.

It is compared to the whole ME fanbase, but not on this site it ain't, that's just people from this site. I am sure if it covered more sites it will be a higher number. You cant assume that it's only people on this site that want a VS dlc. There are people who ain't members (or dont post on BSN) who want to see Ash and Kaidan again, and that groups is growing almost everyday.

Edit: Dexi is just trolling, (he ain't being subtle) just dont respond to him.

People do tend to misconstrue this forum space with the overall gamespace made up of the set of ALL ME players. This place is merely an EXTREMELY small subset of greater set. As a matter of fact, this locale is a self-selected extreme set of ME players and likely to be largely NOT representative of the greater ME player set. At all. Forum polls are thus largely useless and meaningless outside the forum population itself.

The end.

[Getorex]

Link removed to prevent continual expectations of the ME2 music stream.

Modifié par Getorex, 24 janvier 2011 - 08:36 .

[_John Crichton]

I don't *really* think there's only 760 people that want a VS DLC, I was actually trying to say that the number of people in the group isn't a majority number. Even if the actual number of people who want the DLC is 100 times that it still isn't a majority.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not in the group and I'd buy it.

Modifié par John Crichton, 24 janvier 2011 - 08:28 .

[Getorex]

Nuts...computer fart. Probably shouldn't have posted the link but I couldn't get anything to GO IN AND POST.



Also...most of ya'll probably don't have the open/free codecs to listen to that stream anyway...It is the ME2 soundtrack... (I see at least one person has the codecs as they are still connected).

That said, what is "VS" that people keep posting?

Modifié par Getorex, 24 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[Batlass8]

@Getorex: "VS" means "Virmire Survivor"

[Getorex]

Batlass8 wrote...

@Getorex: "VS" means "Virmire Survivor"

Gracias senor/senora/senorita.

[shinobi602]

Dexi wrote...

Kaidan and Ash suck. Get over it.

I love arrogant asses like this.

They make topics fun.

[shinobi602]

John Crichton wrote...

Not trying to be rude, but 760 people is a minority. When they make a DLC they have to consider what will motivate the most people to buy it. There are millions of Mass Effect 2 players, yet only 760 people that really want a VS DLC.

You have to trolling here...there's just...come on man. LOGIC.

Hey look, there's only 1275 fans of Liara out of the millions and millions of ME players. Proof? Right here in a group on a website.

http://social.biowar...p/1044/#members

There's also only around 3000 Tali fans out of the millions of ME players too. You're gauging the entire ME player populace based on a little website?.......................

[_John Crichton]

I covered that in my last post.



Not everyone on the internet is trolling. No, I don't think there's only 760 people on Earth that like Kai/Ash. I also don't think that the majority of Mass Effect players are Kai/Ash fans. I was saying that citing 760 members in a group on BSN in not indicative of the entirety of Mass Effect fans.



Is that trolling?

[Babli]

John Crichton wrote...
Is that trolling?

No, you just dont make sense,

DLC wouldnt be about VS like LotSB wasnt about Liara. It was about Shadow Broker and you could continue romance. Same it would be with some Alliance DLC where could be VS. Thats all.
No one is saying here that they want "Romance VS DLC". Just DLC where is VS featured.