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[Andraste_Reborn]

This came up in another thread, and I was curious: quite some time ago, a developer (I think it was David Gaider?) mentioned that data from DAO showed that only a small percentage of players ever played as anything other than a human, and that dwarves were especially neglected. Does anyone remember what the stated percentage was, or what thread that was in?

As for the relevence of this question to the DA2 forum: I realise this is not the only factor behind the human protagonist in the sequel - most players play warriors, and they're not taking out the other classes, and most players play male characters but they're not taking out the women. However, I think it was probably one factor in the choice to make the single more personal origin of DA2 revolve around a human rather than, say, a dwarf. If the metric had shown that 80% of players were choosing to be elves, it's possible that we might all have pointy ears now.

Modifié par Andrastee, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:04 .

[Potato Cat]

Well I hardly ever played as a human. They are just mean. I've never actually completed either of the Dwarf Origins, despite the possible achievement. I nearly always played as an elf, I only played as a human twice, once to become King and once to become Queen.

[UndercoverDoctor]

I wish they would release these statistics like they did Mass Effect 2.

[Potato Cat]

Also, I've never played as a warrior, except once with Alistair to see if it was worth it, (it wasn't). I just find it so utterly boring.

[errant_knight]

Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender, but I also think that people tend to have a 'personal canon' playthrough that tends to be their own gender (hence more male PCs in that more males play) and favorite origin. For me, that personal canon playthrough was human warrior (love playinig warriors) and female, and I think that was the case for many--the human part, not the female. Not sure how many people played warriors. Seemed like there were more rogues to me.

The thing is, elves were also very popular, and I don't think that the dwarf origins were less played because they were dwarves, but because dwarven culture is so immensely unpleasant. Some people really liked the level of emotion that evoked, but for others, it just wasn't very fun and the politics was vastly annoying. So it's really hard to say. Did people dislike dwarves or their politics? Did that many people really play only once or only play one origin? What a waste of an awesome game, if true!

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:10 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

Did that many people really play only once or only play one origin? What a waste of an awesome game, if true!

Apparently a majority of players didn't even finish the game the first time! (And it's not just that they didn't like Dragon Age. Apparently most purchased video games never get played through to the end. As someone who has abandoned exactly two games since 1995, this astonishes me, but there you have it.)

I see what you mean about the dwarf origin stories. The City Elf one is also grim, but at least there you're being oppressed by a different race - in Orzammar, it's your own people or even your own brother who are kicking you in the head/stabbing you in the back. I love it myself, but I can see why not everyone does.

Modifié par Andrastee, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:14 .

[MarchWaltz]

The play through that I will be "importing" for my first play through in da2 is from a city elf.

[Big I]

My favorite origin was elf mage, followed closely by dwarf noble.

[Potato Cat]

I thought the City Elf origin was the best by far. Just couldn't really care about the Couslands. I think the City Elf was easier to relate to myself.

[Addai]

Andrastee wrote...

This came up in another thread, and I was curious: quite some time ago, a developer (I think it was David Gaider?) mentioned that data from DAO showed that only a small percentage of players ever played as anything other than a human, and that dwarves were especially neglected. Does anyone remember what the stated percentage was, or what thread that was in?

All that I recall is that it was "the vast majority."

I'll be importing elf mage or Dalish, not sure which first.

[DarthCaine]

I've played through Origins twice. First time City Elf, second Dalish Elf (which is my canon Warden)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:19 .

[obnoxiousgas]

Considering that most people who played ME 2 played a soldier, there's obviously no accounting for taste.

I'd imagine that the majority would play humans, if only because of the level of self-insert fantasy that seems to come about in RPGs where you can create your own character. (Not judging, but I'd be interested to know how many people used their own name for their Warden.) Add in the fact that warrior is arguably the 'manliest' of the classes, and I wouldn't be surprised if human/warrior makes up the largest percentage in origins/class. Looking on here would probably skew the data though - I'd imagine the majority of people here have multiple playthroughs for different origins, and while I played through as a human the first time round I'm probably going to be importing my dwarf commoner first.

[Urazz]

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender, but I also think that people tend to have a 'personal canon' playthrough that tends to be their own gender (hence more male PCs in that more males play) and favorite origin. For me, that personal canon playthrough was human warrior (love playinig warriors) and female, and I think that was the case for many--the human part, not the female. Not sure how many people played warriors. Seemed like there were more rogues to me.

The thing is, elves were also very popular, and I don't think that the dwarf origins were less played because they were dwarves, but because dwarven culture is so immensely unpleasant. Some people really liked the level of emotion that evoked, but for others, it just wasn't very fun and the politics was vastly annoying. So it's really hard to say. Did people dislike dwarves or their politics? Did that many people really play only once or only play one origin? What a waste of an awesome game, if true!

I don't know about everyone else but I did play through all the origins but I only completed up to the ending of the origin and no further other than the mage and human noble origin.  My favorite was the human origins followed by the city elf.  My least favorite one is the dalish one though.

Modifié par Urazz, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:22 .

[Shepard Lives]

I have three elf playthroughs and four humans.

[JasonPogo]

I played through first as a human. But I had the most fun with my female Dwarf Nobal and Male Dawlish elf. I am a fan of Dwarves so it is sad how David seems to push them to the side.

[Erani]

I've finished the game with humans/elves only. Both dwarf origins were really cool but eventually I lost interest and switched to another race

[Maria Caliban]

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender...

The majority of people never finished the game. The majority of people who finished the game, only did so once.

[David Gaider]

errant_knight wrote...
Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender, but I also think that people tend to have a 'personal canon' playthrough that tends to be their own gender (hence more male PCs in that more males play) and favorite origin. For me, that personal canon playthrough was human warrior (love playinig warriors) and female, and I think that was the case for many--the human part, not the female. Not sure how many people played warriors. Seemed like there were more rogues to me.

The thing is, elves were also very popular, and I don't think that the dwarf origins were less played because they were dwarves, but because dwarven culture is so immensely unpleasant. Some people really liked the level of emotion that evoked, but for others, it just wasn't very fun and the politics was vastly annoying. So it's really hard to say. Did people dislike dwarves or their politics? Did that many people really play only once or only play one origin? What a waste of an awesome game, if true!

I suspect that most people, when selecting their race/origin, didn't really have much to base that decision off of other than their base preference for how a race looks and the written blurb-- if they read it.

As for the figures we have, our telemetry is able to break down unique accounts that play the game more than once or restart-- and the figures I quoted for DAO are the number of unique accounts that ever played an origin, whether it was all the way to the end or not. I'm not going to start rattling off figures (since I don't have them in front of me, and wouldn't be at liberty to start handing them out even if they were) but I do recall the dwarven origins being 5% of the total (3% dwarf noble, 2% dwarf commoner). The elven figure was higher, but still a fair distance from the human noble and human mage.

Again, is that indicative of anything? There are a lot of reasons a player might choose to do something and you don't want to make assumptions about their motivation. And just because a minority of players finish a game doesn't mean you don't put in an ending. Still, it's better to work from hard data than conjecture or anecdotal evidence when citing preferences of the player base as a whole.

Modifié par David Gaider, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:25 .

[errant_knight]

Maria Caliban wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender...

The majority of people never finished the game. The majority of people who finished the game, only did so once.

How bizzare, mostly in that while my hard drive is full of games I haven't finished, Origins Is one of the few that I was actually driven to finish--repeatedly.

[Acrn]

Out of my 16-20 playthroughs, only 3 non-humans. Also only 2 non-warriors. Yet all those human warriors still felt very different to me.

[Amyntas]

I mostly play humans. I enjoyed the dwarven origins as well, but could never finish a playthrough as an elf. The victim mentality turned me off and always felt like an excuse for elves to be self-righteous you-know-whats.

[errant_knight]

David Gaider wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender, but I also think that people tend to have a 'personal canon' playthrough that tends to be their own gender (hence more male PCs in that more males play) and favorite origin. For me, that personal canon playthrough was human warrior (love playinig warriors) and female, and I think that was the case for many--the human part, not the female. Not sure how many people played warriors. Seemed like there were more rogues to me.

The thing is, elves were also very popular, and I don't think that the dwarf origins were less played because they were dwarves, but because dwarven culture is so immensely unpleasant. Some people really liked the level of emotion that evoked, but for others, it just wasn't very fun and the politics was vastly annoying. So it's really hard to say. Did people dislike dwarves or their politics? Did that many people really play only once or only play one origin? What a waste of an awesome game, if true!

I suspect that most people, when selecting their race/origin, didn't really have much to base that decision off of other than their base preference for how a race looks and the written blurb-- if they read it.

As for the figures we have, our telemetry is able to break down unique accounts that play the game more than once or restart-- and the figures I quoted for DAO are the number of unique accounts that ever played an origin, whether it was all the way to the end or not. I'm not going to start rattling off figures (since I don't have them in front of me, and wouldn't be at liberty to start handing them out even if they were) but I do recall the dwarven origins being 5% of the total (3% dwarf noble, 2% dwarf commoner). The elven figure was higher, but still a fair distance from the human noble and human mage.

Again, is that indicative of anything? There are a lot of reasons a player might choose to do something and you don't want to make assumptions about their motivation. And just because a minority of players finish a game doesn't mean you don't put in an ending. Still, it's better to work from hard data than conjecture or anecdotal evidence when citing preferences of the player base as a whole.

So, does this data come from people logging in when they play? If so, I think your data may be wildly flawed. I don't log in when I play, and if that's how the data is gathered, I'm probably in these statistics as someone who didn't finish even once, when I've actually finished about nine times. (Okay, that's an exaggeration. I've finished it 4 times and have another 4 or 5 games of various origins in progress. But still....)

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:37 .

[coomber]

My first play-through was Dwarf Noble. Got right to the end but I built him so badly I couldn't finish the final battle so restarted as Elf Mage and finished it. If I'd built the dwarf better I'd never have tried another race/class. Glad I screwed up, really!

[Seagloom]

errant_knight wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I think many people played more than one origin and gender...

The majority of people never finished the game. The majority of people who finished the game, only did so once.

How bizzare, mostly in that while my hard drive is full of games I haven't finished, Origins Is one of the few that I was actually driven to finish--repeatedly.

~Raises hand~ Yo! I have restarted Origins more times than I can count. I have yet to finish it once. I like the game well enough. At least I have fun up to a point. Eventually I get bored or regret some nitpicky decision, or a hairstyle, or whatever else and feel compelled to restart. I had the same since launch. I still want DA2 as well. Ilogical really, since I have yet to finish the original, but there it is.

On a side note I tried every Origin, but the only games I had last were human mages or human nobles. Dwarven noble was fantastic, but I have no interest in playing dwarves or elves. That made origin quality a non-factor. Mage is one of the worst in my opinion, but it is my favorite class so I have seen it the most.

Modifié par Seagloom, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:31 .

[Bad King]

My mage is a human. The reason was so that I could get a beard (for some reason elves don't get beards). And to me, a mage without a beard is sacrilege.

The problem with dwarves is that they are always rather out of place. Most of the game takes place on the surface and dwarves are only really relevant to the underground (specifically Orzammar).

Modifié par Bad King, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:34 .