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[David Gaider]

errant_knight wrote...
So, does this data come from people logging in when they play? If so, I think your data may be wildly flawed. I don't log in when I play, and if that's how the data is gathered, I'm probably in these statistics as someone who didn't finish even once, when I've actually finished about nine times.

Not everyone is included in the aggregate totals from telemetry-- there are going to be people like yourself who aren't logged in, for instance, or people who opt out entirely (which is an option). As with any statistical collection of data, there's a margin for error that's going to be based on the sample size... and in this case it's pretty large. I don't think we're too worried about it not being representative.

[marquiseondore]

I think most people would choose a human first to become King or Queen.

[ToJKa1]

I played human noble warrior twice or thirce, every other playtrough was with an elf, including all of them. With dwarwes i only played the origins. I'm a very visual person, and dwarves are the anti-eye-candy (don't let my avatar fool you)

Modifié par ToJKa1, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:36 .

[Russalka]

But how much will this knowledge shape any games developed in the future?

[Bad King]

Amyntas wrote...

I mostly play humans. I enjoyed the dwarven origins as well, but could never finish a playthrough as an elf. The victim mentality turned me off and always felt like an excuse for elves to be self-righteous you-know-whats.

Considering they are treated so unfairly I think they're allowed to complain.

[Andraste_Reborn]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not going to start rattling off figures (since I don't have them in front of me, and wouldn't be at liberty to start handing them out even if they were) but I do recall the dwarven origins being 5% of the total (3% dwarf noble, 2% dwarf commoner). The elven figure was higher, but still a fair distance from the human noble and human mage.

Thanks for the information - that's what I remembered it being. I'm sad that more people didn't see the dwarf origins; I thought they were the best of the lot. (Admitedly, it did take me a whole year to get around to playing a Dwarf Commoner, but that's because I was saving it up. I was not disappointed.)

Still, it's better to work from hard data than conjecture or
anecdotal evidence when citing preferences of the player base as a
whole.

Indeed. It came up in another coversation, and I think it's better to be able to say 'most players played humans' and then speculate about what that may or may not mean than it is to get bogged down in people arguing that this isn't true in the first place.

Also, I would like to thank BioWare for continuing to cater to minority interests by putting endings on their games .

Modifié par Andrastee, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:39 .

[errant_knight]

David Gaider wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
So, does this data come from people logging in when they play? If so, I think your data may be wildly flawed. I don't log in when I play, and if that's how the data is gathered, I'm probably in these statistics as someone who didn't finish even once, when I've actually finished about nine times.

Not everyone is included in the aggregate totals from telemetry-- there are going to be people like yourself who aren't logged in, for instance, or people who opt out entirely (which is an option). As with any statistical collection of data, there's a margin for error that's going to be based on the sample size... and in this case it's pretty large. I don't think we're too worried about it not being representative.

*learns lesson* Guess I better log in if I want to be counted, huh? Heh, I didn't realize that I was neglecting to vote. Too late for DA:O, I guess....

[_Aine_]

My favorite *appearance* wise to PLAY was elf, suited rogue. My favorite origin to play for pure effect was dwarf. Great starting stories and a shame that they weren't played more. I felt human noble was short, in comparison. I originally created a human because, well, I am human. My first character I suppose is the one that is more similar to me in RL. After that *first* time, I tend to branch out and just have fun creatively. It is sad that dwarf wasn't played more, because it really is worth it to experience. I plan to take a dwarf through the game again, just so I have a save file.

[C-Gamer90]

My first playthrough was with a human noble who made the ultimate sacrifice. I did some elf playthroughs but I was never able to get into playing a dwarf.

[Addai]

Acrn wrote...

Out of my 16-20 playthroughs, only 3 non-humans. Also only 2 non-warriors. Yet all those human warriors still felt very different to me.

  Srsly?!   I played DW warriors on my first two runs, but eventually found warrior class so boring that I got so I couldn't play anything but rogues and mages, and finally just mages.

Also can't fathom never finishing the game, unless we're talking casual players who just aren't that interested.

[Maria Caliban]

marquiseondore wrote...

I think most people would choose a human first to become King or Queen.

Most people wouldn't know that being human first would lead to being king or queen.

errant_knight wrote...

*learns lesson* Guess I better log in if I want to be counted, huh? Heh, I didn't realize that I was neglecting to vote. Too late for DA:O, I guess....

*looks at your achievements*

I think you were counted. I don't think you have to be logged in while playing as the information is stored until it's sent.

I might be wrong.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:43 .

[swirlwind]

I probably would've played as humans more than I did (out of 11 complete playthroughs I played seven elves, three humans and one dwarf) if there had been a human commoner origin. I played two human nobles (a warrior and a rogue) and a human mage, but after those, there was nothing new available for a human. The elven and dwarven cultures and perspectives were by far more interesting to me than the human noble. My favourite origins were the city elf and both dwarven origins. My least favourite is the mage origin, but since mages offer a lot more variation in terms of playstyle, it's the origin I've ended up playing the most. I will miss being able to play other races when DA2 comes along, but I hope we will get the opportunity in later Dragon Age games.

[AzuraLuna]

My main warden is a dual-wielding city elf warrior. Another one is a dalish rogue. I plan on playing through the intros of the other origins just to see what they're like, but that's it. Achievements aren't really my thing.

[In Exile]

errant_knight wrote...
So, does this data come from people logging in when they play? If so, I think your data may be wildly flawed. I don't log in when I play, and if that's how the data is gathered, I'm probably in these statistics as someone who didn't finish even once, when I've actually finished about nine times. (Okay, that's an exaggeration. I've finished it 4 times and have another 4 or 5 games of various origins in progress. But still....)

But if the tendency not to report data is randomly distributed (i.e. the is no systematic preference for race to vary with the desire not to report data, which seem reasonable) there is no reason to doubt the validity of the data.

For example, I almost played a CE the entire way through, and started but never finished a dwarf commoner/noble to see their origins (I happen to think the dwarf noble is the most brilliant of the lot, but I found origins to long to replay) whereas most of my playthroughs are human noble/mage, probably something like 7:1.

*looks at your achievements*

I think you were counted. I
don't think you have to be logged in while playing as the information is
stored until it's sent.

I might be wrong.

I think you have to check the "report data" box.

Modifié par In Exile, 24 janvier 2011 - 04:47 .

[Amagoi]

I know I've been playing humans a lot more than I did anything else, and I tried to be logged in as much as I could. Though I was human manly because of how many humans in our party there was, and I thought HN was more tied into the plot.



I think I've done.. 4 Human playthroughs, and 1 City Elf to completion. Though I've played every origin. It's odd, because I love dwarves.

[Seagloom]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think you were counted. I don't think you have to be logged in while playing as the information is stored until it's sent.

I might be wrong.

You also need to have "upload gameplay data" or whatever it's called toggled on.

[LPPrince]

I finished two playthroughs as human nobles(one male, one female, the female currently being my avatar).



I played all the other origins, but never went through much of the story with them.



I just felt I could connect with the Human Noble.

[Zabaniya]

Whenever I played on my friend's copy, I played HN first (we took turns playing that one), but eventually, he played only human mage, and the dwarf origin stories. I went on to play only Dalish and City Elf, with Dalish being the canonical one for me (any know if just copy his Bioware folder onto my PC will allow me to transfer the save file onto DA2?).

[Merci357]

I've played both dwarf origins out of curiosity, but never continued beyond that. I have, however, quite a few human and elven characters that finished the game. So my answer, why I've never played a dwarf - Why would I want to play as one, they are plumb and stocky.

There you have it, as simple as shallow. But - for me - humans and elves are more aesthetically pleasing to look at. And that might be the reason for many others as well.

[David Gaider]

Russalka wrote...
But how much will this knowledge shape any games developed in the future?

Hard to say. Just because, say, only 5% of players ever played a dwarven origin does that mean we shouldn't do one again? Does that mean we couldn't perhaps do them better, make it more appealing? It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg argument. Looking at the data, however, I would think it'd be reasonable to say our efforts would have been more rewarded had we done, say, only one dwarven origin and did another human origin instead (ignoring the hindsight aspect entirely, of course). Such figures are beneficial only in terms of not talking about what the players will do or not do based on assumptions (a lot more players played the same-sex romances than we had originally assumed, for instance), while at the same time recognizing that it shouldn't form the entirety of the basis for our decisions.

[Maria Caliban]

In Exile wrote...

*looks at your achievements*

I think you were counted. I
don't think you have to be logged in while playing as the information is
stored until it's sent.

I might be wrong.

I think you have to check the "report data" box.

It's an opt-out system. It starts checked.

[David Gaider]

Seagloom wrote...
You also need to have "upload gameplay data" or whatever it's called toggled on.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe you had to toggle it off in order to not be counted. By default you sent your telemetry in.

[marquiseondore]

Maria Caliban wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

I think most people would choose a human first to become King or Queen.

Most people wouldn't know that being human first would lead to being king or queen.

If they had the guide book they did.


I wonder if the data is from completed playthroughs.  I hope so, in my case I have close to 100 hf because of mod testng.

[Vaelidor]

As someone who played all of the origins all the way through to the end (including both human and elf mage) I personally prefer elves foremost. City elf was always my favorite origin to play through. I am about to play through as a dalish "canon" playthrough for DA2 in the coming weeks. Currently reading "The Stolen Throne" and "The Calling" before I replay Dragon Age Journeys and play the pen and paper game. Yes, I am currently running through all Dragon Age media chronologically before DA2 launches. I'm a DA nerd yes.....

[KJandrew]

does the count thing check whether we finished it or not, cause i've done all the origins to get the achievements. Out of my 5 full playthroughs 4 have been dwarf noble and the other is human noble