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[RagingCyclone]

David Gaider wrote...

Seagloom wrote...
You also need to have "upload gameplay data" or whatever it's called toggled on.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe you had to toggle it off in order to not be counted. By default you sent your telemetry in.

Default was off both time I iinstalled my game. Perhaps some were shipped default on and some default off. I know many over the past few months have had questions about how to get their characters uploaded to have their own personal avatars. That's how I found out  about changing the toggle to on when  I first started to get active here at BSN.

[Autodoll]

swirlwind wrote...

I probably would've played as humans more than I did (out of 11 complete playthroughs I played seven elves, three humans and one dwarf) if there had been a human commoner origin. I played two human nobles (a warrior and a rogue) and a human mage, but after those, there was nothing new available for a human. ...  

I really wanted to see the Chasind origin. I've always been partial to the Chasind, I'd like to see more of them. But I agree - I played a human first, since I figured I would understand their culture a bit, and could learn about the others through the game so my next play-through would give me better perspective, but I definitely enjoyed the Dalish origin most. :happy:

I really wonder what the Devs play as, though. I think that would be a fascinating statistic to discover.

[AlexXIV]

David Gaider wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Tbh. I don't like this 'gathering information' thing Bioware did with DA:O. I turned it off as soon as I learned it is there. My fav is female dalish warrior, but I played almost every origin. However my problem with this data collecting system is that it for example doesn't tell which playthrough was the most rewarding, most liked one. It's like watching people at what they do and then assuming it's what they want to do. I find that quite naive and superficial.

We're not making any assumptions about what they did and didn't like-- only what they did. They can't have a favorite if it's something they didn't play, after all. We can tell what choices people made at the various plot points, at what point people stopped playing the game... things like that can be very helpful, so long as you're not ascribing motivations to those players that may not hold up. What would be naive and superficial is basing one decisions completely on anecdotal evidence and assuming that holds true for the whole, or assuming that "those other players" don't count simply because they don't come onto the internet to sound off on their opinions. We can lead a horse to water, after all, but we can't make him think.

I agree on the part that it depends how you evaluate the information you are getting. And yes, the fact that I never finished any dwarven playthrough might be a slight hint that I don't like to play a dwarf. And I understand the information when people stopped playing can be quite helpful in avoiding the same 'mistakes' again in future products. But honestly I would rather have you guys realizing your own vision without too much thought about 'what people want'. After all Bioware has been pretty succeessful before.

I would probably prefer some sort of customer feedback in which I answer questions about the game instead of having someone looking over my shoulder while I play.

[David Gaider]

marquiseondore wrote...
I don't know about anyone else but I come here to complain critique, congregate and see if there is any news.  Forums are fishbowls but so are focus groups.  Except forcus groups are handpicked fishbowls.  

True. I'm not a big fan of focus groups, but they can provide useful information so long as they are broken down acording to ther interests... I'd much rather hear from focus groups that consist of "hardcore RPG players", "fans of action games", "MMO players", things like that. You can get a better representation of attitudes than simply random groups. And focus testing is becoming much more sophisticated in that way.

So, yes, I guess you could say the people on our forums are something like a very large focus group.

AlexXIV wrote...
But honestly I would rather have you guys realizing your own vision without too much thought about 'what people want'. After all Bioware has been pretty succeessful before.

And yet it would be naive for us to assume that because we've been successful, that we know everything. Information is always useful. I don't think we've ever been afraid of going by our vision, even if it's not what's considered popular.

I would probably prefer some sort of customer feedback in which I answer questions about the game instead of having someone looking over my shoulder while I play.

Traditionally speaking, questionairres lie. People answer according to what they think the answers are or what they want them to be, rather than how they actually act. This is, as well, the problem with focus groups. They sometimes give answers that they think we want to hear, or provide criticism that they might not otherwise feel if they weren't in a focus group where criticism was the end goal. Thus, focus groups are sometimes more useful for how they actually play the game rather than for the opinions they express-- not that opinions don't play a part. It wouldn't be an RPG, after all, if people didn't feel as strongly about what's going on in their head as what's going on in the game.

Modifié par David Gaider, 24 janvier 2011 - 05:52 .

[lv12medic]

The problem with dealing with statistical data is that it only shows you information on specifically what was asked and that's it.

That said, if someone were to pull up my contribution to the data pot... People would assume I was a crazy lunatic.  There would be data points all over the place.  I've done all the origins, finished the game once as a human noble, and I have so many lost and forgotten characters at a whole bunch of different points in the game, and now I only have one Dalish Elf after formatting and forgetting to keep any of my old save files who just gotten into the linear-non-linear big world.

Probably explains my tendency to rabble at random on these boards as well...

[RAF1940]

Elf here

[Skiffee]

My first play through ever was a Dalish Elf, then City Elf, then Human... First class was Rogue, then moved on to a couple of Warriors and back to more Rogues. I've played through probably 10 different characters by now, male and female for achievements and story twists. Dwarves are by far my least played characters. I've only got one past the starting story and I hated it. I'm not usually a person for just 'looks' of something (ie; I don't equip the best looking armor/weapon, I equip the best stats), but I just HATE dwarves as a race. Dunno why, just do... So I find it hard to play them.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I generally played as a female Human Noble or a female City Elf as rouges.

I played Dalish Elves (My first time beating DA:O as a male on the PS3 which is my gender FTR was as a Dalish Elf) and I've beaten the games with both of the Dwarf origins. Generally I play as a Dalish Elf, Dwarf Noble, or as Dwarf Commoner, when I'm in the mood to do so.


I only played as a mage to get the achievements/trophies for completing them (and one of them on the Xbox 360 I used to get Witch Gone Wild achievement.) but I have never beaten DA:O with a mage and currently have no plans to so.

[Skiffee]

Also, I hate playing mages, in any RPG game, i'm just the "tank" type of person, so i've never leveled a mage past the origin story either.

[AlexXIV]

David Gaider wrote...
Traditionally speaking, questionairres lie. People answer according to what they think the answers are or what they want them to be, rather than how they actually act. This is, as well, the problem with focus groups. They sometimes give answers that they think we want to hear, or provide criticism that they might not otherwise feel if they weren't in a focus group where criticism was the end goal. Thus, focus groups are sometimes more useful for how they actually play the game rather than for the opinions they express-- not that opinions don't play a part. It wouldn't be an RPG, after all, if people didn't feel as strongly about what's going on in their head as what's going on in the game.

Ok, but for example you didn't get much info from me since I turned it off before I finished my fist playthrough. And since I could turn it on or off I could still just give you the info I want to. So it is also a bit flawed.

[RagingCyclone]

Oh I am sure I skewed the number a bit myself. Making morphs for people that requested certain types, and then creating a character multiple times to test the face ingame, Yeah those numbers counted that I did not realize would. About 300 of them. lol

[JaylaClark]

I'm going to say something here-- well three things.

First, thank you Mister Gaider.  Lord, if ME2 players had more dev interaction than Stanley Woo grumbling at them and Chris Priestly shouting 'don't you know how awesome we are?!', we'd be much happier human beings.  No fooling .

Second, a few friends have gotten worried that this is the same system that BW uses for Mass Effect statistic gathering, and been going off 'oh, dear lord, that one man Shep I did entered me into the system as a manShep player despite my seven femSheps!'  (We tend to be people who are 'meh' to 'bleh' on the guy ... your mileage may vary but I'll just say Mark Meer didn't get nominated for a VGA and return to topic.) 
To clarify, or to actually ask the question now, does DA:O log players exclusively as a player using one origin, does it log a player once for every time it uses an origin, or does it log a player once for using an origin the first time?  (If it's the second, I have a lot of apologizing to do to my friends... EVERY SINGLE PLAYTHROUGH I have completed and all but five I have started have been as a Cousland daughter.  I think I even started calling Bryce 'Daddy' in my head .)

Third, do they log finished stories separately or is it just initiations?  That'd be a decent indication of enjoyment, but it might be too many stats to keep track of.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Skiffee wrote...

Also, I hate playing mages, in any RPG game, i'm just the "tank" type of person, so i've never leveled a mage past the origin story either.

I generally tend to play more as rouges/thieves because I like the ability to pick locks. I mean hell that is how I generally tend to money and even find decent weapons, armor, potions, and etc when you're starting out plus you get extra XP as well. I tend to play a rouge more as a warrior but the way DA:O is set up once I get the lock picking ability and duel-weapons skills maxed out I focus on Strength, Dexterity and Constitution based skills and abilities. 

If warriors had the ability to smash or pick locks I would probably play as them more.

[13commander]

My first playthrough was as a dwarf rogue noble.
It was an interesting origin  to say the least, Especcially when I went to Denerim for the first time and i met my old "friend"/"bodyguard". And i so LMAO when I returned to Orzamar (i hope i spelt corectly) and i found out that i got a dwarven woman pregnant and i had i child (Morrigan was so pissed  ) , anyways one of the best playthoughs ever.

My second one was with a female mage which i really loved.

My third one was a female Rogue, because I wanted to become queen.

I started about 3 elven origins but i haven't finished one.

Finally I starded my male rogue origin, with which i really took my time, i explore 100% of the world and I think I completed almost all of the quest i could find, i think i had 100% game completion ????.

Anyways of them all my best playthough was my dwarf so i don't know why there is such a low rating for dwarven origin story ( Maybe I am just wierd or a little bit of a freak ).

Sorry guys for my misspeling i live in Romania and I kinda skipped a few english classes .

Modifié par 13commander, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:04 .

[Fidget6]

I'll admit, I've never played as a dwarf. My "canon" file is a human female warrior (even though my favorite class is actually rogues, I've always really liked the concept of super strong female characters) I'm currently playing through as a male Dalish elf archer and I'm having a blast.   Definitely one of my favorite playthroughs so far.

[AlexXIV]

JaylaClark wrote...

I'm going to say something here-- well three things.

First, thank you Mister Gaider.  Lord, if ME2 players had more dev interaction than Stanley Woo grumbling at them and Chris Priestly shouting 'don't you know how awesome we are?!', we'd be much happier human beings.  No fooling .

Off topic, but that's because the people at the ME/ME2 forum are raving lunatics. I'd post alot more there as well if they were as decent as people on this board. Well, relatively decent.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:06 .

[IrishSpectre257]

Only time I played a non-human was to see all the different Origins. Other then that, my actual characters were all human.

[Face of Evil]

MarchWaltz wrote...

The play through that I will be "importing" for my first play through in da2 is from a city elf.

Ditto. City Elf for life.

I did try all of the Origins just to see what I'd like best. I stuck with the CE origin.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:49 .

[Wynne]

How odd. I can imagine a lot of reasons for that, though. Human is safer when you're not sure about what being a "Dalish Elf" or "City Elf" will mean. Same with the exotic dwarven underground--to newcomers, I'd imagine it seeming intimidating.

I think the HNO was also the most often shown in videos. Marketing may make a difference, as well as the fact that if you're playing a game where you're not sure what to decide, the words "Human" and "Noble" sound un-intimidating and cool, respectively.

[JaylaClark]

AlexXIV wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

I'm going to say something here-- well three things.

First, thank you Mister Gaider.  Lord, if ME2 players had more dev interaction than Stanley Woo grumbling at them and Chris Priestly shouting 'don't you know how awesome we are?!', we'd be much happier human beings.  No fooling .

Off topic, but that's because the people at the ME/ME2 forum are raving lunatics. I'd post alot more there as well if they were as decent as people in this board. Well, relatively decent.

I'm one of them yet I can't disagree beyond a 'chicken and the egg' issue ... then again, we get really, really passionate about our favorite characters.  And there's something to complain about for every one of the original party except for Wrex.  Here... about all there is to complain about is that DA2 is going to be an entirely different game than the damn awesome DA:O, and truth be told, I'm wary, but have my hopes up that it'll be as awesome, knowing that they're trying something completely different.

Whereas ME2 for the PS3 made me worry about BioWare in general, just from what I've heard about the bugs, DA2 has me excited.  May have to pick up TOR when it comes out to break the tie.

[JediHealerCosmin]

13commander wrote...
Sorry guys for my misspeling i live in Romania and I kinda skipped a few english classes .

Stai linistit  

Anyway, as for me I always finished the Human Noble Origin. As for the others, I have played all of them up until Ostagar (mostly for the achievements), but I just didn't have the patience to push them until the end.
As to why I prefer the human... I really can't say. I also played a human in WoW, and I'm planning one for TOR.

I think one of the main reasons is the fact that even in video games, humans are absolutely not perfect (as much sense as that makes). The other races view them sometimes as ruthless, hard to live with etc, and I always want my characters to be the ''example'', or the ''living proof'' that humans can be good too in dire situations.

[Tempus Frangit]

My main file is a city elf. I rather liked that origin story. Although the only other one I've gotten to play is human noble. Thanks, college. XD

[WingsandRings]

This may have been asked already, but was the data only gathered from PC games, or from Xbox/PS games as well?

EDIT: Just to add my own little unofficial record, I've played through every origin (to get the achievements, and of course just to see), finished games with my HNF (warrior) and CEF (rogue), and I just finished the landsmeet with my elf mage female.  I plan on playing at least once with my DNM so that I can romance Morrigan and be a total assw*pe character -- get all those "sided with the templars!" "sided with the werewolves!" "sided with the cult of Andraste!" achievements I haven't gotten yet.

Personally, my favorite so far was definitely CEF.  From the origin story on, she just seemed to have a totally different experience than my already played through HNF, and in my opinion, it was a much richer experience.

Modifié par WingsandRings, 24 janvier 2011 - 06:20 .