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[White_Buffalo94]

I have never been able to finish a non-human playthrough. I have given the other two races and every origin multiple chances, but I prefer being human

[Maria Caliban]

Dayshadow wrote...

REALLY???

REALLY????

Why wouldn't a person even so much as play the origins?  I can see a person not playing the whole game through as a dwarf or elf but why would you not even play the beginning? 

REALLY???

That's like paying for cable, but only watching Supernatural.  It boogles my mind.  That like... wasteful!! The sheer waste.  And these people complain about paying $60 when they are perfectly fine not getting their money's worth for $50?

MIND BOOGLING!!!

I played the game as a human warrior. Once. That was 75 hours for me.

I just played through the mage origin earlier this month after owning the game for over a year. I am in Ostigar right now and will probably not continue I played through the dalish origin a few months ago. I've started the city elf origin three times but only gotten as far as my Soran (sp?) giving me a blade. I've never touched the dwarven origins.

I've already gotten my DA:Origins experience and am not sure why it's so mind-boggling to you that I haven't gone through all the origins.

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

REALLY???

REALLY????

Why wouldn't a person even so much as play the origins?  I can see a person not playing the whole game through as a dwarf or elf but why would you not even play the beginning? 

REALLY???

That's like paying for cable, but only watching Supernatural.  It boogles my mind.  That like... wasteful!! The sheer waste.  And these people complain about paying $60 when they are perfectly fine not getting their money's worth for $50?

MIND BOOGLING!!!

I played the game as a human warrior. Once. That was 75 hours for me.

I just played through the mage origin earlier this month after owning the game for over a year. I am in Ostigar right now and will probably not continue I played through the dalish origin a few months ago. I've started the city elf origin three times but only gotten as far as my Soran (sp?) giving me a blade. I've never touched the dwarven origins.

I've already gotten my DA:Origins experience and am not sure why it's so mind-boggling to you that I haven't gone through all the origins.

Because an origin is only like half an hour to an hour, and it gives you more insight in the different cultures. Sure you can read everything up somewhere in codex or wikipedia, but why not just play it, doesn't take long for the origin alone. I mean you may have a good reason, but I for example don't like playing dwarf. I still played both origins and the noble even half-through the game. Ok playing half-through is probably a waste of time, but ... only the origins surely isn't.

[Vena_86]

Thats wierd. The dwarf commoner was my first playthrough. I didn't even touch a human origin yet. Man, humans are so biased and afraid of the unknown.



My decision to play a dwarf was certainly influenced by a fantasy novel series that has dwarfs as main characters.

[lazuli]

I found the dwarf noble origin the most enjoyable and well done, but I have yet to take a dwarf through the complete game. I prefer humans.

[tmp7704]

Dayshadow wrote...

REALLY???

REALLY????

Why wouldn't a person even so much as play the origins?  I can see a person not playing the whole game through as a dwarf or elf but why would you not even play the beginning? 

REALLY???

YA, RLY.

Personally i don't like the idea of playing "just the origin" and then leaving a character to rot, but i'm also not very keen on revising "story" created by completing a playthrough. So there's parts of the game that remain unknown to me and i don't feel like i have to know them -- just being aware there actually are alternatives i haven't explored is enough to enhance overall experience.

[HolyAvenger]

Finished a canon playthrough with a human noble warrior through DAO, Awakenings and all the DLCs, but currently playing a city elf which is helluva lot of fun. I'm gonna import that save game into DA2 as well I think.

[elearon1]

I rarely played a human - didn't care for mages over much (just not a class I often play in games any more - not since they moved away from the DnD model, personal preference) and the noble didn't really interest me - nor was I particularly interested in Dalish Elves ... in fact I think the longest I ever played one was through the Origin just to see how it went. Mostly I played Female City Elves - whose background I preferred over the male's - or Dwarves (one of each gender, and each origin); the Dwarven culture being my favorite in the entire game. (loved the politics, though I hated the repetition of the deep roads later on)



So I guess I fall right outside the predicted demographic.

[Kajan451]

David Gaider wrote...

As I already said, the data is collected from all playthroughs-- completed or not. We can tell how many unique accounts played the game, didn't finish, started several times, finished several times, etc. The parsing on the telemetry is pretty sophisticated, as I understand it, it just needs for us to ask the right questions.

And this Datamining is the bane of the modern industry. Instead of making the best possible quality of Product, the Data is used to analyze what the majority does and thus does produce a game that is shortcomming for a minority of people. Said minority will probably not pick up the next game in the series and continued Datamining will mean design decisions will future focus on that new mass, cutting more edges and corners until the Thing is so steamlined that the imperfections which allowed everyone to find a truely remarkable experiance have only an hallow and superficial gaming experiance with a medicore game and probably graphics to make it up.

I for one am less then thrilled about the new design decisions of DA2 gameplay, which surely were made based on this Datamining. And i do expect DA2 to fall Short behind DA:O, just like Masseffect 2 came up way short for the same streamlining behind Masseffect 1.

I seriously would love the industry to go back to their old ways. They might not have been that much better, but at least from my perception of things, my gaming experiances have been a lot more rewarding as most of the new mainstreamlined games that hit the markets.

And i personally can't imagine a Baldur's Gate Like Game in nowdays.. its intense depth and Story made it a game i never truely finished, but i still pick it up at times and play it, because its always kind of different and even if i might never feel compelled to put in the weeks of gaming time to finish the game... i really love that you can play that much and that the story doesn't give out.

As opposed to modern games who were datamined and design decisions being made that the game could have easily be 10 hours shorter on Story and Gameplay, because the majority of people only played 20 instead of 30 hours.

Or to cut out skilloptions and even whole playstyles because only 5% used them. 5% of a Million are still a lot of people.

And in my opinion DA:O wouldn't have been the game it was if it had someone Datamining beforehand and mainstreamlining the whole thing.

[The Night Haunter]

I played 4 Human Nobles, 1 Human Mage, 1 Elven Mage and 1 of each of the other origins (still playing the Dwarf Commoner). My fav character are human nobles, but my fav origin story is the Dwarven Noble. It was by far the most intriguing and exciting.

[Maria Caliban]

AlexXIV wrote...

Because an origin is only like half an hour to an hour, and it gives you more insight in the different cultures. Sure you can read everything up somewhere in codex or wikipedia, but why not just play it, doesn't take long for the origin alone. I mean you may have a good reason, but I for example don't like playing dwarf. I still played both origins and the noble even half-through the game. Ok playing half-through is probably a waste of time, but ... only the origins surely isn't.

I'm an admin at the wiki, so it's not like the origin story will give me new information about the dwarven culture.

Moreover, if I am not interested in something, I'm not going to play through it for a half hour.

[Morroian]

Kajan451 wrote...

I for one am less then thrilled about the new design decisions of DA2 gameplay, which surely were made based on this Datamining. 

Such as? If you mean only being able to play as human you'd be wrong there are clearly other factors at play.

[Avilia]

I think my first playthrough was human - never played it again after that. I probably finished the game 10 or so times (yes I have no life) 99% as an elf (City, Dalish and Mage). My canon save is a DC though...loved her to bits.

Modifié par Avilia, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:18 .

[Dark Specie]

Well, now... I've played the game as a human and elf and I'm currently on my first Dwarf (commoner) playthrough. However, playing as a non-human was never my first choice, nor do I think it would ever be, as long as I had the option to play as a human...

[Shiratori]

I'm not even sure how many characters I made for 1 reason or another and deleted relatively soon afterward just because I either just wanted to play through the Origin or was experimenting something. But for complete playthroughs, I've covered all the Origin stories (3 Human Noble, 2 City Elf, 2 Dalish Elf, Elf Mage, Human Mage, Dwarf Noble, and Commoner) and as many different endings as I could think of. So, statistically, I'm probably very boring since I tried to do "everything" (though I know there are still some things I've missed after all this time).

Plus statistics don't tell the whole story. They're good for a guide and general trending, but (esp. as some people have mentioned here), they don't give a complete insight into the player. Just because someone may have done the Human Noble the most times doesn't mean they didn't like the City Elf or Dwarf Commoner a whole lot better (like me, in fact I didn't even plan on playing Human Noble that much but was just experimenting and needed a male and female). So I'm sure they're using all this as indicators, but not as the sole factor in making their decisions. After all, I'm sure at least a few things have been added to the game to appease the vocal minority. (Can't wait to see the deranged mage pining away for his Desire Spirit.)

Modifié par Shiratori, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:37 .

[Xayasha]

That statistic system seems pretty brilliant. I'd love to see how it works/ those stats...

Of course it doesn't show our degree of appreciation for our different playthroughs, but it does mean something when 95% of players don't even try an origin...

[Nefla]

I've only ever played through as a human twice (one male and one female Cousland) but I have 4 gamer profiles full of elves and dwarfs of every origin. (plus several games I deleted before I realized I could make more gamer profiles just for my DA files...stupid character limit) I just found playing as a dwarf or an elf to be much more interesting and fun. I mean in almost every other game you're a human male warrior.

[David Gaider]

Xayasha wrote...
Of course it doesn't show our degree of appreciation for our different playthroughs, but it does mean something when 95% of players don't even try an origin...

I said this in an interview recently, but I think there's some appreciation among RPG players for knowing that a path exists-- whether or not they actually chose to take it. You do have to couple that with the knowledge of just how many people are actually making those choices, as well, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. So long as we're not making our decisions based solely on numbers, it's not a bad thing-- and we haven't, just to be clear. As someone else pointed out above, there are numerous factors that go into any major design decision, and info like that acquired from telemetry should be used as support only.

[LPPrince]

David Gaider wrote...

Xayasha wrote...
Of course it doesn't show our degree of appreciation for our different playthroughs, but it does mean something when 95% of players don't even try an origin...

I said this in an interview recently, but I think there's some appreciation among RPG players for knowing that a path exists-- whether or not they actually chose to take it. You do have to couple that with the knowledge of just how many people are actually making those choices, as well, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. So long as we're not making our decisions based solely on numbers, it's not a bad thing-- and we haven't, just to be clear. As someone else pointed out above, there are numerous factors that go into any major design decision, and info like that acquired from telemetry should be used as support only.

This is why I'm SO glad David works as hard as he does for Bioware.

Bow down to the glasses, ladies and gentleman. That's an order.

By the way, that means you only heed it if you are an Indian and if you want to.

Damn it.

Modifié par LPPrince, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[crimzontearz]

Dayshadow wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
So, does this data come from people logging in when they play? If so, I think your data may be wildly flawed. I don't log in when I play, and if that's how the data is gathered, I'm probably in these statistics as someone who didn't finish even once, when I've actually finished about nine times.

Not everyone is included in the aggregate totals from telemetry-- there are going to be people like yourself who aren't logged in, for instance, or people who opt out entirely (which is an option). As with any statistical collection of data, there's a margin for error that's going to be based on the sample size... and in this case it's pretty large. I don't think we're too worried about it not being representative.

REALLY???

REALLY????

Why wouldn't a person even so much as play the origins?  I can see a person not playing the whole game through as a dwarf or elf but why would you not even play the beginning? 

REALLY???

That's like paying for cable, but only watching Supernatural.  It boogles my mind.  That like... wasteful!! The sheer waste.  And these people complain about paying $60 when they are perfectly fine not getting their money's worth for $50?

MIND BOOGLING!!!

Dean: b*tch
Sam: jerk

[David Gaider]

crimzontearz wrote...
Dean: b*tch
Sam: jerk

Castiel: How you two get anything accomplished is beyond me.

[crimzontearz]

David Gaider wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
Dean: b*tch
Sam: jerk

Castiel: How you two get anything accomplished is beyond me.

Robo-Sam (soul-less sam): I don't sleep!

[Xayasha]

David Gaider wrote...

Xayasha wrote...
Of course it doesn't show our degree of appreciation for our different playthroughs, but it does mean something when 95% of players don't even try an origin...

I said this in an interview recently, but I think there's some appreciation among RPG players for knowing that a path exists-- whether or not they actually chose to take it. You do have to couple that with the knowledge of just how many people are actually making those choices, as well, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. So long as we're not making our decisions based solely on numbers, it's not a bad thing-- and we haven't, just to be clear. As someone else pointed out above, there are numerous factors that go into any major design decision, and info like that acquired from telemetry should be used as support only.

I do appreciate that there are many paths to choose from, like most players, and I'm glad you don't just look at numbers to make your decisions. But if I try to put myself in the shoes of a company who has to make profit/be successful and whatnot, I'd take such a strong statistic (5-95%) strongly into account; you don't want to spend too much of your budget on a feature most people won't get to enjoy, right?

[AlanC9]

Kajan451 wrote...
I for one am less then thrilled about the new design decisions of DA2 gameplay, which surely were made based on this Datamining. And i do expect DA2 to fall Short behind DA:O, just like Masseffect 2 came up way short for the same streamlining behind Masseffect 1.

I hope every future Bio game fails as badly as ME2 did.

Not trying to restart that war here -- when I want some of that action I just hop over to the ME board. Just pointing out that your personal tastes are not universal truths.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I found myself enjoying all the origins and completed each origin at least once and the full game twice (almost 3 times now). I made at least two characters for each origins though I have not had the time to play through all of them of course. Only two characters are human out of twelve and only two characters are warriors. I must be in the severe minority of DA:O players, finding the dwarves and elves more appealing than the human PCs. I don't tend to play a fantasy game to play as a human character.
This thread's information is a potential storm cloud to me, looming over future Bioware releases. Not enough people with an interest in roleplay seemed to of played this RPG and the cold statistics seem to have a significant hand in determining the future of the franchise.

I hope future releases won't have the PC locked in a solely human perspective. If I buy DA 2 at some point, I can't imagine playing it very much for quite a few reasons now, and this is certainly one of them.