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[Spartas Husky]

LorDC wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Liara?

While you can(in theory since she changed a lot) trust Liara can you trust SB organization? Making her study it alone is not a best thing to do.

Spartas Husky wrote...
Not because I dontknow yet does it mean I have to blow it up.

So you think that some force that is able to pull out the benefit from CB and is trustworthy enough will appear out of the blue on the galactic scene? I am afraid you have to decide now my friend;)

Spartas Husky wrote...
Chorban. Dont know yet but I would like to have kept it. And give small amounts of data to different people.

Chorban? Seriously? A lone salarian whom you barely know and who was involved in some shady stuff.

1st. Yep much better than TIM.

wth is CB?.... wth do you mean by the second one...your not making sense.

On the 3rd one yeah. Scientists at heart are hard to find, he is one of them. He can surely go in and catalog w/e without hoping to gain from it... he is the type to just want to research for the sake of knowledge. Those are trust worthy since they have no greed.

[Isaidlunch]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

The Reapers did not desire you to take the Collector Base... lol

Taking that is getting tech the Reapers didn't expect or intend for you to have.

What
Sovereign meant by what he said there is only referring to the Citadel
and the Relays.  Embracing technology that wasn't understood or
engineered specifically for use by the people using it.

THANK YOU

As for saying it TIM gives him too much power, if that technology may mean the difference between beating the Reapers and being Reaper chow then he will share it. He's done more than enough (at least in my opinion) to prove he can put his own ambitions aside in favor of defeating the Reapers.

[LorDC]

Spartas Husky wrote...
1st. Yep much better than TIM.

Making Liara to study it alone is pretty much the same as blowing it up. She is archaeologist, not engineer or physician. Making SB organization study it... well it is definitely worse than Cerberus. You know nothing about them.

Spartas Husky wrote...
wth is CB?.... wth do you mean by the second one...your not making sense.

CB=Collecor Base. My point was that saving base "to give it to someone later" doesn't make any sense since all forces that can possibly extract benefit from it already present on galactic political scene.

Spartas Husky wrote...
On the 3rd one yeah. Scientists at heart are hard to find, he is one of them. He can surely go in and catalog w/e without hoping to gain from it... he is the type to just want to research for the sake of knowledge. Those are trust worthy since they have no greed.

You don't need "scientists with hearts" you need "scientists with brains" and biggest possible amount of them to use CB. Chorban didn't struck me as a brilliant scientist and anyway he alone is not nearly enough to get anything.

Modifié par LorDC, 24 janvier 2011 - 09:28 .

[Cesilan]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

The Reapers did not desire you to take the Collector Base... lol

Taking that is getting tech the Reapers didn't expect or intend for you to have.

What Sovereign meant by what he said there is only referring to the Citadel and the Relays.  Embracing technology that wasn't understood or engineered specifically for use by the people using it.

Excellent point.  With the Collector's Base, Cerberus can potentially gain technology that, while it's still Reaper tech, the Reapers aren't expecting us to have.  Like someone else pointed out earlier, when Sovereign was defeated at the Citadel, the Reaper's plans were already disrupted.  They were further disrupted when the Collectors were defeated.  This is more than any other race has done in recorded history.  Furthermore, Cerberus is too small to fight the Reapoers alone.  Even TIM mentioned that allies would be necessary.  Which means sharing what was learned from the CB with them.  Not doing so would just be shooting ourselves in the foot before a major battle.

[tvr321]

I am very much leaning towards keeping the base.



I also don't want to alienate Cerberus in ME3 and be forced the crawl back to the Council and the Alliance, and least TIM always listens to you and lets you do your job.

[Wulfram]

Ideally, I'd stick Mordin in charge of the place, and invite the Council to send scientists. TIM can no doubt infiltrate some agents, but that's OK. I don't want to cut him out entirely, necessarily. Just stop him from having total control of the place



Liara would have useful expertise, I think. Being a prothean expert would presumably mean experience in dealing with advanced ancient alien technology.

[Spartas Husky]

LorDC wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
1st. Yep much better than TIM.

Making Liara to study it alone is pretty much the same as blowing it up. She is archaeologist, not engineer or physician. Making SB organization study it... well it is definitely worse than Cerberus. You know nothing about them.

Spartas Husky wrote...
wth is CB?.... wth do you mean by the second one...your not making sense.

CB=Collecor Base. My point was that saving base "to give it to someone later" doesn't make any sense since all forces that can possibly extract benefit from it already present on galactic political scene.

Spartas Husky wrote...
On the 3rd one yeah. Scientists at heart are hard to find, he is one of them. He can surely go in and catalog w/e without hoping to gain from it... he is the type to just want to research for the sake of knowledge. Those are trust worthy since they have no greed.

You don't need "scientists with hearts" you need "scientists with brains" and biggest possible amount of them to use CB. Chorban didn't struck me as a brilliant scientist and anyway he alone is not nearly enough to get anything.

well I much rather have kept it in secret until I found the right person.

Chorban is a scientist... title alone means he has brains.

And no I dont want to give it to cerberus, I wish I could have kept it for myself... weird that they didn't give you the option to do so. But oh well.

Liara running the shadow broker organization is pretty good she can find someone who she trusts to study the base.

Those would have been my choices. Unfortuantely they weren't given... oh well.

[Ieldra]

gogman25 wrote...
Quick point - using reaper tech further progress us down the route the reapers wish.
So yeah...even if we destroy the reapers we may end up recreating them accidently and KABLAMO.
WE WOOSE!

The reasoning Legion is giving amounts to not using a wheel because it was invented by someone else. That's just ridiculous. I don't subscribe to it.

The problem is that the species of Citadel Civilization have made no effort to *understand* the technology. They don't understand the science behind it and thus can't develop their own usage of the underlying concepts.

[Spartas Husky]

Ieldra2 wrote...

gogman25 wrote...
Quick point - using reaper tech further progress us down the route the reapers wish.
So yeah...even if we destroy the reapers we may end up recreating them accidently and KABLAMO.
WE WOOSE!

The reasoning Legion is giving amounts to not using a wheel because it was invented by someone else. That's just ridiculous. I don't subscribe to it.

The problem is that the species of Citadel Civilization have made no effort to *understand* the technology. They don't understand the science behind it and thus can't develop their own usage of the underlying concepts.

To add more to it... and using your analogy.

Someone made a wheel used by very very old carriages. Is made out of wood... not very flexible.

Your entire civilization is based on using that wodden wheel. But you dont look for alternatives. Rubber, stone etc. You know how to replicate the exact thing... but not to get diviations from it... Imho

[Markinator_123]

Same old arguments from some base destroyers are present. Cerberus this, Cerberus that, Cerberus, Cerberus, Cerberus, Cerberus! I don't know Cerberus was the only group to take the fight to the Collectors while everyone else had their heads up butts including Ashley/Kaidan. It seems like some people are willing to risk massive human casualities just because they are so focused on Cerberus they are underestimating the threat the Reapers pose. They can have fun relying on the council (the same council that basically tells Shepard that he is full of crap.)

[Ryzaki]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The reasoning Legion is giving amounts to not using a wheel because it was invented by someone else. That's just ridiculous. I don't subscribe to it.

The problem is that the species of Citadel Civilization have made no effort to *understand* the technology. They don't understand the science behind it and thus can't develop their own usage of the underlying concepts.

We're not using a wheel though. We're using a car and having no idea what parts it has or the why the seperate parts exist. For all we know the car could randomly blow up because it was programmed to do so. (And hell that's pretty much what the Citadel does).

That's the CB. A giant thing you don't understand.

Sure you can study and maybe gain some comprehension (and not have it blow up in the meantime) or you can simply never understand it fully and that part you don't fully understand might be one of the keys to getting it to work on your own terms.

So there's good and bad points to saving/destroying it.

Frankly I wish they had kept the Reapers more mysterious instead of this "LOL we need to have babies!" nonsense. <_<

They're nigh invicible machines. What do they need more of them for? 

Unless BW pulls some "Oh the Reapers are afraid of X." out of thin air.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .

[Count Viceroy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Frankly I wish they had kept the Reapers more mysterious instead of this "LOL we need to have babies!" nonsense. <_<

They're nigh invicible machines. What do they need more of them for? 

Unless BW pulls some "Oh the Reapers are afraid of X." out of thin air.

I found it refreshing that they turned out to have a sensible motives rather than just being synthetic destroyers of the universe for no apparant reason.

I'm also fairly certain they'll have an even bigger role in me3. Like saving us from ourselves, I like the theory that mass effect fields is be causing the build up of dark matter , and what they are doing is just damage control. And the only reason they haven't just wiped organic life forms completely is because then they wouldn't be able to reproduce.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:18 .

[Ryzaki]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I found it refreshing that they turned out to have a sensible motives rather than just being synthetic destroyers of the universe for no apparant reason.

I'm also fairly certain they'll have an even bigger role in me3. Like saving us from ourselves, I like the theory that mass effect fields is be causing the build up of dark matter , and what they are doing is just damage control. And the only reason they haven't just wiped organic life forms completely is because then they wouldn't be able to reproduce.

Frankly I felt it weaker and more facepalmy that they're doing it to have babies.

Also: I don't mind the saving us from ourselves reason but the reproduction just irritates me.

Also if they're so concerned about resources why are they wasting it on building so many more of them. You'd think they'd just want a low number that was highly efficent.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:51 .

[lolwot]

 
If the Reapers wanted you to use technology found within the Collector Base, then it wouldn't be so heavily guarded by Collectors. It would be left unguarded to be found by later civilizations, like the Citadel.

[The Spamming Troll]

i dont see a single reason why youd want to destroy it as long as you can contain it. i dont think that decision will affect ME3 in anyway anyways. youll just get an email from a collector saying hes pissed you blew up his bug eyed girlfriend.

[kamen rider spectre]

If you're having decision problems just remember WWSD.

What Would Sisko Do?

[kazumasoju]

He seemed to me that he wanted to use it to take over especially after he realized that they were making a human reaper - you could see that he was just looking to the reapers as a source as opposed to a threat. Shepard and her/his team were the pawns

[blakecra]

On my first play though I saved the base because of what it could do for humanity, but I then changed my mind when I replayed the game on insane. Play insane on the derelict ripper and then experience how inadequate anybody is at studying the reapers and indoctrination. Look at saren and his research into indoctrination. The dead body of a reaper still warps the minds of humans and etc. Think what would happen if cerebus and the illusive man attempted to make a human reaper. Used volunteers or captured people to recreate what the reapers were doing, but it would fight for humanity. That is a dangerous thing to do and is the radical kind of thinking the illusive man would do. He is also too manipulative trying to get to to side with him at the last minute by not revealing that option sooner. I doubt he didn't know about the radiation bomb until the last second. Think about all the times he has put sheperd in a bad situation without telling him the full deal like the first encounter on the reaper ship. Then think about how he created the encounter by sacrificing turian ships to keep the prothean/ reaper controlled ship in the area for sheperd to reach it. If you notice there is civil unrest towards the alliance in the outer rim areas and it could grow. I would not be surprised if cerebus would take advantage of that to gain control. Also remember how the illusive man is in favor of any human advances even if they are mostly cybernetic. I would not be surprised if he could be persuaded to turn humanity into reapers or a combination of it like following the same path of the reapers. If the reaper base could be used on a smaller scale to research against them then it would not be too bad. Whoever made the comment of not following the same technological path of the reapers and it not being effective against them and the indoctrination problem means it is safest to destroy the base. It is so tempting to save the base though. I wonder if you can acquire all power and rule as a dictator over the galaxy. That would be funny to see.

Modifié par blakecra, 30 janvier 2011 - 05:37 .