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[ZLurps]

Uh huh....



Sorry, but I don't think ME2 is going to change. For me this sounds like you don't really need content filter anyway, but new wife.

[AdmiralCheez]

rrp said...
who said she is trying to talk? she looks up from reading her book and
sees a stripper in my video game. lets ask you Admiral Cheez say you
have a boyfriend who is playing a video game and all of the sudden you
look up from something you are doing and you see a stripper on the
screen? how do you feel? jealous? angry? irritated? what would you do?
well my wife doesn't like it, it makes her angry! that is why i bring up
making it OPTIONAL not because of me i pay no attention to the
strippers i care to much about the dialogue so am reading the subtitles,
but my wife doesn't care she only cares about the strippers in the
background. am i coming through clearly now or do i need to use smaller
words?

Smaller words? Seriously? Sigh.

No, I wouldn't. Because 1.) I play a lot of the same games my boyfriend plays 2.) understand that he didn't buy the game for the strippers and 3.) don't get jealous of scantily-clad polygons.

And I'm pretty sure my BF doesn't get all up in a tizzy when I watch a movie with shirtless men in it.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 26 janvier 2011 - 12:17 .

[IrishSpectre257]

I don't know whether to laugh or facepalm while reading this topic. Maybe an awkward combination of both?

[DetailedSubset]

we should make the sex in books optional to. There should be wee little post-its over the naughty bits so you don't have to read them.

[Spartas Husky]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

rrp said...
who said she is trying to talk? she looks up from reading her book and
sees a stripper in my video game. lets ask you Admiral Cheez say you
have a boyfriend who is playing a video game and all of the sudden you
look up from something you are doing and you see a stripper on the
screen? how do you feel? jealous? angry? irritated? what would you do?
well my wife doesn't like it, it makes her angry! that is why i bring up
making it OPTIONAL not because of me i pay no attention to the
strippers i care to much about the dialogue so am reading the subtitles,
but my wife doesn't care she only cares about the strippers in the
background. am i coming through clearly now or do i need to use smaller
words?

Smaller words? Seriously? Sigh.

No, I wouldn't. Because 1.) I play a lot of the same games my boyfriend plays 2.) understand that he didn't buy the game for the strippers and 3.) don't get jealous of scantily-clad polygons.

And I'm pretty sure my BF doesn't get all up in a tizzy when I watch a movie with shirtless men in it.

I dont wish to be rude but... my girlfriend's doesn't get ****y just because of a videogame. Fact of the matter is... either someone udnerstands it is a simple entertaining medium design to be more immersive or they dont.

I guess my gf and I being gamers both dont care really. But to be an ass... no I dont want a filter, because to appease individuals like yourself who have wife or husbands who are prejudice or judgemental of a simple game would take time and resources better spent creating something else.

[BatarianBob]

rrp wrote...

You are right going into chora's den was necessary to get to fist, but there where no alien dancers. also the gore in video games and in 300 was unecessary the message is sent without the gore. hence the content filter. everyone is missing the point of my comments i am just saying make it optional not saying one is better than the other. and for admiral cheez i have taken anatomy. A science class is is not even relevant to this topic i am saying to make it OPTIONAL. maybe if i put it in capital letters everyone will understand the point i am trying to make. i am not trying to say violence is good and nudity is bad i am trying to say it SHOULD BE OPTIONAL!

It is optional.  You have the option of not buying the game.

[Spartas Husky]

Taranatar9 wrote...

rrp wrote...

You are right going into chora's den was necessary to get to fist, but there where no alien dancers. also the gore in video games and in 300 was unecessary the message is sent without the gore. hence the content filter. everyone is missing the point of my comments i am just saying make it optional not saying one is better than the other. and for admiral cheez i have taken anatomy. A science class is is not even relevant to this topic i am saying to make it OPTIONAL. maybe if i put it in capital letters everyone will understand the point i am trying to make. i am not trying to say violence is good and nudity is bad i am trying to say it SHOULD BE OPTIONAL!

It is optional.  You have the option of not buying the game.

I dont agree with such an agressive option of simply not buying it.

He has the right to enjoy the game. But also resources should not be diverted to appease his wife or others who might be annoyed by it.

The solution here is.
A: play when those who might be bothered are not around.
B- explain to those individuals there is nothing wrong with the game.

[matt-bassist]

LOL @ hubby being too busy to talk to his wife because of calibrations. I lol'd HARD at that. ha ha ha finally something positive and not insane in this thread!

[Bogsnot1]

rrp wrote...
romance scenes are not the issue they are optional

Going into Choras Den is optional. You dont need to get Fist, or Tali, to complete the game.

rrp wrote...
who said she is trying to talk? she looks up from reading her book and sees a stripper in my video game. lets ask you Admiral Cheez say you have a boyfriend who is playing a video game and all of the sudden you look up from something you are doing and you see a stripper on the screen? how do you feel? jealous? angry? irritated? what would you do? well my wife doesn't like it, it makes her angry! that is why i bring up making it OPTIONAL not because of me i pay no attention to the strippers i care to much about the dialogue so am reading the subtitles, but my wife doesn't care she only cares about the strippers in the background. am i coming through clearly now or do i need to use smaller words?

Perhaps you should try using the smaller words with your wife, and not here. We are not the ones with the emotional retardation who get upset by a dancer wearing a one piece swimsuit. Use those small words to explain to your wife that both you and her are in this plane of existance as a direct result of sex between your respective parents. In many states, a marriage is not considered legally binding until it has been consumated. How about complaining to your local authorities that the law requires you to be "pervs" just so you can be legally married?
M ratings are there for a reason, warning people that ADULT content is present in the game. Adults should have the emotional maturity to be able to deal wtih adult concepts.

[rrp]

adding a content filter would not change the game for anyone who did not want it. and i apologized for saying "not all gamers are pervs" but i still stand behind the statement not all gamers are pervs. but some are pervs i was playing Call of Duty Black Ops online and 3 out of ten of the embelms i saw were not only offensive but just weird. I dont know why everyone in this conversation is throwing a tantrum like a two year old who didn't get a toy at the store. i am wondering if they are going to add a content filter (which doesn't change the game for anyone who leaves it off) to ME3 i would even pay more for one, to pay for the developers time to add one.

And to Bogsnot don'd pretend to know everything about everthing it makes you look foolish. Emothional retardation, are you really that heartless to not recognize that there can be emotional scarring to a hypothetical family who has had a loved one addicted to pornography? that even an image of a blue alien in a "one peice" would bring up that scarring? i fully understand the rating system and appreciate that it is in place. and i fully understand that "adult content" will be in "M" rated games i am not arguing that i am asking why isn't it OPTIONAL like in the first Mass Effect why did it change? and the way to fix it, while not taking away from the gamers who enjoy the strippers, is to add a content filter that is OPTIONAL, so it can be turned on by people like me who enjoy the game and the story but do not enjoy the strippers and the romance scenes and the language and gore. it works in other games why not in Mass Effect? Why not Dragon Age? If other game developers and designers and producers are adding it to their "M" rated games why not Bioware?

[Dexi]

Yes, because in our perfect world kids don't even know what to swear means until 18, they do not know what sex implies until they're 18, and they certainly don't know that a knife stuck in a brain kills a person until 18.



In my country, gypsies get married at 10, they have their first kid at 12, they start their "jobs" ( stealing ) before they learn to talk, and 5/8 words they say are curses.



And our kids grow with these kids around them...



Age ratings are stupid.



P.S. I'm not racist.

[ZLurps]

It's difficult to see the point really.
ME and ME2 are adventures that show as many things in ME world. We get moving scenes, we get to witness violent acts and of course kill lots of "bad guys".
Some element that makes this adventure interesting and believable is that we go to places like Chora's Den and Afterlife. How would either place present what they do if there weren't strippers? How believable would be crime syndicate boss who doesn't swear?

I'm usually all for options but Mass Effect series is one of the game titles where strippers (whom never remove their clothes anyway) are in the game for a reason.

I don't usually pay a lot of attention to debates like this, but in this case I wonder, so Ok you get your content filter. Now, of course that someone can be better person than somebody else, there would be need to find something else that is offending again no matter the context. Where would this stop?

Hell, there are lot of much darker things happening in the world we live. People sold into slavery for prostitution rings, illegal organ traffic and lot many things.
But video games, adult guy playing game where we don't even see real nudity, yeah, that's the problem.

Modifié par ZLurps, 26 janvier 2011 - 04:34 .

[desonnac00]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And why would ME3 need a content filter? To appeal to the kiddies?

[Bogsnot1]

I do not pretend to know everything about everything, I just happen to be very well read, logical, and in possession of a decent memory.

We are not throwing tantrums, we are pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of your own words, when you have problems dealing with exotic dancers, yet you find high level swearing and extreme ultra violence to be perfectly acceptable.

Do you have any idea of how much extra time, effort and money it would cost to implement an optional "feature" such as a content filter would take? Especially to cater for all the whingers out there who demand special treatment? First it would be dancers, then bloodshed, then swearing, then anyone with tattoos, the list goes on.

If you dont like it dont buy it. If your wife doesnt like it, dont play it when she is around. YOU are the content filter, not me, not Bioware, not EA, YOU.

You remind me of all those tightwads who listen to Howard Stern, simply so they can become offended and register a complaint against him.

The power is in your hands. If you are too lazy to exercise it, thats your problem. Or more specifically, your wifes.

Now, translate my sig, and find out how it applies to you.

[darknoon5]

Just to clarify, in England ME1 is a 12 and ME2 is a 15. I'm pretty sure in Germany ME2 is a 16+, and in Australia as well.



So ME isn't an 18+ full stop, as some would like to quote, but I agree a content filter isn't really needed. Maybe a language filter if people can't take a bit of swearing but don't mind all the violence, which makes no sense to me.

[matt-bassist]

a content filter for a Rated M for Mature game is just stupid. thats like going and watching an R-rated movie about child abuse, then complaining because a kid died. the OP's topic really is THAT devoid of logic.

[rrp]

Bogsnot i agree i am the content filter, but when it is not optional to go into afterlife and to see the dancers i can no longer be the content filter. The reason i buy the game or any game is because i enjoy it. Mass Effect has one of the most entertaining storyline out there, i have not played a game near its caliber. I disagree, i feel that everyone is throwing a tantrum because you are all feeling like i am expressing an opinion that will change your gameplay or your experience and this comes from the same love we all have for this series. It is fantastic. i am sorry you feel like i am saying extreme violence a language are better than nudity, i am not saying that at all. a content filter would remove and does remove all of these items. I am not one of those people who go around looking for something to complain about. I am merely expressing an opinion about something that i feel would improve my already fantastic experience with the Mass Effect series. I know it would take extra effort and time to implement a Content Filter, but that does not change my opinion i pay just as much as everyone else so why should my experience and opinion be of less value to the creators of the game? why is my opinion wrong and yours right?

[Gemini1179]

DetailedSubset wrote...

we should make the sex in books optional to. There should be wee little post-its over the naughty bits so you don't have to read them.

This made me laugh. With the "Money for nothing" scandal going on here in Canada, I wonder if sometimes North America is taking a step back in terms of social progression...

[sth128]

The fact that it's rated M is already a content filter. The more "adult" content is being sacrificed for the sake of greater marketability. If you make an AO game then most major carriers will not sell it (ie. Walmart).

As for "appeasing the kiddies", I don't really think the ratings help that much. I've only been carded twice when buying games, not that this is proof of anything since I'm 28 (I guess I look 17?!). I've seen many times young kids buying M rated games w/o so much as "do you have a photo ID".

Or maybe they just share the same "look 10 years younger" gene that I have...

[ZLurps]

darknoon5 wrote...

Just to clarify, in England ME1 is a 12 and ME2 is a 15. I'm pretty sure in Germany ME2 is a 16+, and in Australia as well.

So ME isn't an 18+ full stop, as some would like to quote, but I agree a content filter isn't really needed. Maybe a language filter if people can't take a bit of swearing but don't mind all the violence, which makes no sense to me.

I had no idea, thank you for posting this.

This doesn't change how I feel about this what comes to adults but if some kids parents feel that this isn't suitable for their kid I think that is their business. For example...

Warning ME1 Spoiler:


In first ME Garrus guest was about organ trafficker, IMO quite disturbing reference to real life (like antagonists total disregard for value of life) Things like this makes ME series great, but IMO is not exactly stuff for small kids.


/ end spoiler.


That said, I think those who make decisions about age ratings are likely to be much better informed than I'm. Then, man.. I don't know how exactly I could explain to some 12 years old what is this about or answer if this kind of things happen for real, uh.

However, what comes to adults, content filtering ME would imo take away elements that makes it what it is in the first place. What's the point of immoral and dark system run by crime syndicate if you take away all the things that makes it dark and "immoral". I think that would actually be the worst thing to happen, because crime boss would then become just another person and world created by him/her like any other place.

[Uszi]

rrp wrote...

...but my wife doesn't care she only cares about the strippers in the background

Well, I for one, specifically bought the game for the erotic dancers.  They aren't really strippers cause they never strip, lol! Maybe I haven't got that DLC or something.

Anyway, the point is: I demand that no one be able to turn them off.  For they are awesome.

My first play through is stuck in Chora's den, 297+ hours.

Well, when I first saw the dancers, I assumed that I had beat the game an was reaping the rewards.  Now that people tell me there's more content, I'll have to think about checking it out.

Modifié par Uszi, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[ZLurps]

Uszi wrote...
... Now that people tell me there's more content, I'll have to think about checking it out.

:lol:

I totally bought ME2 because of Miranda butt scene... Took a long time to get there and now I wonder if there is more into ME2 too...

Modifié par ZLurps, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:29 .

[rrp]

ZLurps the content filter would be optional so you wouldn't lose the environment that makes it dark and immoral you just would not turn the content filter on. i don't mind sacrificing the dark and immoral parts in the game and even Uszi could still spend 297+ hours in Chora's den with a content filter option in Mass Effect.

Modifié par rrp, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[Uszi]

rrp wrote...

ZLurps the content filter would be optional so you wouldn't lose the environment that makes it dark and immoral you just would not turn the content filter on. i don't mind sacrificing the dark and immoral parts in the game and even Uszi could still spend 297+ hours in Chora's den with a content filter option in Mass Effect.

NO.  The game is about erotic dancers doing their thing.  You would compromise Bioware's artistic expression.

I demand that there be dancers on the Elevators too.  So that they would be awesome instead of boring.

I heard that ME2 doesn't have elevators anymore and it has static loading screens. I wouldn't know because I'm still at Chora's Den, but a lot of people said they don't like the static loading screens.  This could easily be fixed with static erotic dancer loading screens.

[sth128]

rrp wrote...

ZLurps the content filter would be optional so you wouldn't lose the environment that makes it dark and immoral you just would not turn the content filter on. i don't mind sacrificing the dark and immoral parts in the game and even Uszi could still spend 297+ hours in Chora's den with a content filter option in Mass Effect.

Why should Bioware hide the universe of their creation just because a small sector of audience choose to take a different moral view on things? The whole idea of FICTION is to explore the different cultures and moralities of our imagination. If you want a fiction that conforms to your own moral compass, read the bible or whatever religious text(s) you prefer.

I mean, once you start censoring contents, what’s next? Perhaps Bioware could put in a filter for Muslins so that Shepard is banned from all bars in the Milky Way, a filter for Catholics so that Shepard cannot have sexual encounters without a marriage proposal first, and cannot use mass-effect condoms when doing it.

Whatever content Bioware chooses to put in the game that’s their choice. If the game features Shepard running about the galaxy buck naked that’s their choice. If you don’t like it, do not buy the game. They already included different dialogues of moral paths, now you’re asking them to block their own effort because you disagree?

No.

Modifié par sth128, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:38 .