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[Lumikki]

I mean is Mass Effect violent enough, does it has even enough some content to be filtered. I mean if you look some other games (example Age of Conan mmo), the blood splling over, head cut off, nudity and so on. There is where I really want the content filter. Mass Effect may be "M" content but it's really very mild ways about it.

MATURE

Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category
may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

TEEN

Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

I mean little half nudity caused Mass Effect to be M category, but it's very close to T one.

Modifié par Lumikki, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[Harmless Crunch]

Uszi wrote...

lol dude, read the the back of the box next time

it tells you why it's rated m:
 

That sir is a fake the ESRB does not use the description "Sexy Times" or "Strippers".

[JHU_P4NDA]

To me, a content filter is just a shifting of responsibility. If you make a decision, like the decision to play a game rated M, be prepared to reap what you sow. What you will sow is a neutered game with no blood, no violence, no partial nudity, no nothing. The Collectors invited the Normandy SR2 crew to a tea party back in their base. When you point your gun and click, you brainwash them into disintegrating.



Nobody in their right mind would censor fully clothed strippers before they censor you blasting mercenaries in the face and watching their blood spurt in slowmo through Adrenaline Rush.



If you find it questionable, deal the **** with it. It's a game that's rated M. An Omega without dirty dancers is NOT the story that Bioware is trying to tell. Instead of trying to ask them to tell a different story for you because you find yourself troubled by cross-species eroticism (and a race that does not actually exist, by the way), then buy a different game.



Might I suggest Kinect Adventures?

[Capeo]

rrp wrote...

i don't care if the hypothetical content filter doesn't block the dancers. i just think it should be optional. like in Mass Effect. i dont think i can make a point more clear than this. a content filter should block gore and language. if the dancers are blocked i would not care. but the point i am trying to make is it needs to be an option. and boo to me for being the only one in this thread who thinks so. Opinions matter no matter what they are, if you disagree or agree with them. and my opinion is this i do not like the dancers i dont like to see them i dont like to be forced to see them and to go into that enviroment. you can show a dirty enviroment or even a club enviroment without dancers, it happens in real life? do i need to go into a strip club to see a dirty environment? no! the arguments against a content filter make no sense it is not changing the game for anyone who does not use it, but it is improving the game experience for those who would like one. i may be the only one in this thread but i know i am not the only one in the world otherwise the term would not exist.

It wouldn't be "improving" the game experience for people using a content filter that blocks major portions of the game, it would be changing it.  How precisely are they supposed to portray an exotic dance/sex club without dancers?  That's what Afterlife is.  It's a skeezy joint that mercs and other folks go to FOR the dancers.  Thats the point.  Removing them (and the giant screen in the middle of the stage) destroys what the place is.  There's also the aspect that all the dancers being asari has a reason.  Changing that messes with the in-game universe.  They'd also have to change dialog, remove the table mechanics, and other things that don't even come to mind at the moment.  All for what?  So people don't see clothed female forms dancing?  Really?

I'd just say ME2, and pretty much every other M rated game, is not for you.

Man, the last thing I want BW wasting resources on is a worrying about how they could make every area content filterable.

Modifié par Capeo, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:32 .

[JHU_P4NDA]

Harmless Crunch wrote...



That sir is a fake the ESRB does not use the description "Sexy Times" or "Strippers".

I believe that was the point, good sir

[Capeo]

Lumikki wrote...

I mean is Mass Effect violent enough, does it has even enough some content to be filtered. I mean if you look some other games (example Age of Conan mmo), the blood splling over, head cut off, nudity and so on. There is where I really want the content filter. Mass Effect may be "M" content but it's really very mild ways about it.

True that.  God of War 3 it is not.

[Spartas Husky]

JHU_P4NDA wrote...

Harmless Crunch wrote...



That sir is a fake the ESRB does not use the description "Sexy Times" or "Strippers".

I believe that was the point, good sir

:lol::lol: that made me lul.

[Spartas Husky]

Lumikki wrote...

I mean is Mass Effect violent enough, does it has even enough some content to be filtered. I mean if you look some other games (example Age of Conan mmo), the blood splling over, head cut off, nudity and so on. There is where I really want the content filter. Mass Effect may be "M" content but it's really very mild ways about it.

Well That is items, not themes to be filtered.

Personally I dont think filtering blood, filtering profanity or simply filtering nudity is the same as filterning a stripper.

A stripper .... is a stripper.

YOu add clothes to the nude, say d.a.m instead of fu.c.k  is a filter I agree with.

Now relating to what the guy before was implying taking out a stripper takes the entire point away from the Afterlife club... is like removing the strippers from ....that club in ME1. Or removing the "spikes" frome den prime. There is a reason they are there.

Now if the strippers were totally naked... then yeah a filter to add some pieces of clothing would be acceptable.

So I agree with what I think your trying to imply. Filtering "items" is a good thing and doesn't necessarily take away resources: Example you hack people with a chainsaw... but you choose to see or not see blood.

, but filtering THEMES all together is not something I agree with hacking someone with a teddy bear because the person next to you doesn't like the act of "chainsawing" somebody

[Luvinn]

If this guy played "The Witcher" he probably would have a heart attack.

Also on a side note, is it me, or does the description of the game on the back of the box just make every one sound lame? I mean look at the game box a few posts up! I mean just by reading that, I probably wouldn't of bought Mass Effect.

Modifié par Luvinn, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[Kangasniemi]

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

Every kind of censorship is wrong, be it optional or not. It always starts small but soon you will be living in Australia that bans every single game ever except Hello Kitty adventure island. So no content filters in ME or any other game.

Edit: There actually were asari dancers in ME2? Completed the game 5 times and I don't remember seeing them...

Modifié par Kangasniemi, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:48 .

[Lumikki]

Spartas Husky wrote...

, but filtering THEMES all together is not something I agree with hacking someone with a teddy bear because the person next to you doesn't like the act of "chainsawing" somebody.

Yeah, I get you point, filtering hole idea of theme is wrong. 

How ever, even in T-rating has "suggestive themes". So, this OP person doesn't just content filtering because M-rating stuff, because there isn't one. Mass Effect is more close to T-rating anyway. What is age above 13 year old. So, if the OP wife can't handle 13-year old stuff. WTF?

[JrayM16]

Censorship puts the 'ship' in dictatorship. That is all.

[Spartas Husky]

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them?

amen... amen

[Uszi]

Spartas Husky wrote...

JHU_P4NDA wrote...

Harmless Crunch wrote...



That sir is a fake the ESRB does not use the description "Sexy Times" or "Strippers".

I believe that was the point, good sir

:lol::lol: that made me lul.

I wonder if rrp is done with the most successful trolling attempt in this forum's history, or if he'll be back to push it to the limit.

I mean, 5 pages is a pretty good accomplishment.

But I'd be dissappoint if he didn't try to shoot for 10 pages, especially since 5 pages in people are still taking him seriously.

Modifié par Uszi, 27 janvier 2011 - 12:43 .

[ZLurps]

rrp wrote...

i don't care if the hypothetical content filter doesn't block the dancers. i just think it should be optional. like in Mass Effect. i dont think i can make a point more clear than this. a content filter should block gore and language. if the dancers are blocked i would not care. but the point i am trying to make is it needs to be an option. and boo to me for being the only one in this thread who thinks so. Opinions matter no matter what they are, if you disagree or agree with them. and my opinion is this i do not like the dancers i dont like to see them i dont like to be forced to see them and to go into that enviroment. you can show a dirty enviroment or even a club enviroment without dancers, it happens in real life? do i need to go into a strip club to see a dirty environment? no! the arguments against a content filter make no sense it is not changing the game for anyone who does not use it, but it is improving the game experience for those who would like one. i may be the only one in this thread but i know i am not the only one in the world otherwise the term would not exist.

Content filtering:
Swearing. Voice needs to be recorded twice, one for for oh **** and one for oh damn. Or needs additional edits to insert bleeb or silence.
Gore... blood on or blood off, okay that might be easy. Separated limbs, exploding heads, can't say if they could just use existing models and set visual damage presentation off when content filter is off.
Dancers, now they aren't nude and... uh, you want filter to Bowdlerize ME.

There was a company that made that for movies called Family Friendly DVD's.
They still have a website, though they don't sell anything anymore. www.familyediteddvds.com/index.html
"No graphic violence, no sex scenes, no profanity, no nudity."

More info: arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/11/hollywood-studio-sue-over-bowdlerized-dvds.ars
"...The flicks that Family Friendly tidies up and resells for ten bucks a pop are not. They include Bravehart, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, and Glory."

It might be interesting to see their version of Saving Private Ryan. Not.

Even ME games are fiction, I don't see reason for content filter because things in ME games are in general there for good reasons and make sense in game universe.
I hope we see some sort of armours and ME1 style helmets in ME3 but if not, I can live with that. It would be nice if in some WW2 shooter player encounters 17 years old wounded German kid crying in pain begging for mercy. Perhaps the poor bastard didn't hated anyone but was just trying to buy some time for his parents, sisters whatever to get hell out from Berlin. Something to make people think.
I don't think I'm ever going to see that kind scene in games but I guess I must live with that.

[idoless24]

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

This is actually quite sexist. I'm a woman or the "wife" and I don't get furious if I see some strippers in a game especially when they are fictional blue aliens. Maybe this thread should be less about assumptions about the OP and more about the actual question: whether or not a content filter should be an option.

[Kusy]

idoless24 wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

This is actually quite sexist. I'm a woman or the "wife" and I don't get furious if I see some strippers in a game especially when they are fictional blue aliens. Maybe this thread should be less about assumptions about the OP and more about the actual question: whether or not a content filter should be an option.

Nothing in that post was sexist as he was reffering to a single woman, not all ladies in general. If something, it was racist because he used a generalisation when talking about american people. Read before you get all aroused about sexism.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:54 .

[Spartas Husky]

idoless24 wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

This is actually quite sexist. I'm a woman or the "wife" and I don't get furious if I see some strippers in a game especially when they are fictional blue aliens. Maybe this thread should be less about assumptions about the OP and more about the actual question: whether or not a content filter should be an option.

I think he ment it just for that situation. Most likely is he ment if whoever complains about the game the course of action usual americans pick is to blame the game rather than to inform the person who doesn't understand the game is just that a game.

Dont think he was actually referring to all women or something of the sort.

[Whereto]

Wow, swear words and dancers are so minimal, it's soooo pointless. Get over it, of u don't like it, don't listen. I really don't know how many times a swear would was used in mass effect, but it was so little, it's wasted effort

[Kusy]

Whereto wrote...

Wow, swear words and dancers are so minimal, it's soooo pointless. Get over it, of u don't like it, don't listen. I really don't know how many times a swear would was used in mass effect, but it was so little, it's wasted effort

Polish Voice Over of Mass Effect 1 had Wrex using fucks instead of commas.
Yet there was not a single news flash about it in TV, not a single mother scared about future of it's child, not a single person whining about it on the forums.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 27 janvier 2011 - 02:06 .

[idoless24]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

This is actually quite sexist. I'm a woman or the "wife" and I don't get furious if I see some strippers in a game especially when they are fictional blue aliens. Maybe this thread should be less about assumptions about the OP and more about the actual question: whether or not a content filter should be an option.

Nothing in that post was sexist as he was reffering to a single woman, not all ladies in general. If something, it was racist because he used a generalisation when talking about american people. Read before you get all aroused about sexism.

I actually didn't get all "aroused" about it. I merely pointed out that it was indeed sexist and then tried to bring it back on topic.

Hypothetical or not, if the statement is that its the "American way" for women to be threatened by images in a video game...then its both sexist and generalizing.

[Whereto]

I'm speaking of the English side, I didn't no the polish side used swear words that common, but this guy is on about the English side, so lets keep to that.



If anyones wife/girlfriend or even boyfriend/husband, have a problem with their game having sexual characters in it, I suggest they talk to them. If they do not understand, it is their problem and not the rest of the gaming populations problem. Mass effect comes in a few different languages so all of those would have to be censored and then all the other censoring for a little minority isn't going to be cost effective. If this was a game for 14 year old I could understand how that would increase sales slightly and maybe off set the cost but this is for adults so it wouldn't do anything for the majority

[Kusy]

idoless24 wrote...
I actually didn't get all "aroused" about it. I merely pointed out that it was indeed sexist and then tried to bring it back on topic.

Hypothetical or not, if the statement is that its the "American way" for women to be threatened by images in a video game...then its both sexist and generalizing.

That about arousment was a joke. However he never wrote anything about an averge american women reacting badly to games. He pointed out that an averge american man would sooner demand the mature content censored from a game than simply explaining to his wife that he's not jerking off in front of the TV just because there are skimpy dressed alien dancers on the screen.

[BatarianBob]

rrp wrote...

i don't care if the hypothetical content filter doesn't block the dancers. i just think it should be optional. like in Mass Effect. i dont think i can make a point more clear than this. a content filter should block gore and language. if the dancers are blocked i would not care. but the point i am trying to make is it needs to be an option. and boo to me for being the only one in this thread who thinks so. Opinions matter no matter what they are, if you disagree or agree with them. and my opinion is this i do not like the dancers i dont like to see them i dont like to be forced to see them and to go into that enviroment. you can show a dirty enviroment or even a club enviroment without dancers, it happens in real life? do i need to go into a strip club to see a dirty environment? no! the arguments against a content filter make no sense it is not changing the game for anyone who does not use it, but it is improving the game experience for those who would like one. i may be the only one in this thread but i know i am not the only one in the world otherwise the term would not exist.

What you don't seem to get is that everyone has parts of the game that they don't like.  What makes your delicate sensabilities more important than anyone elses?

I'd happily support your content filter, just as soon as I get a content filter that makes Space Terminator optional.

[Spartas Husky]

Taranatar9 wrote...


I'd happily support your content filter, just as soon as I get a content filter that makes Space Terminator optional.

.... dont get that last one lol