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[Gemini1179]

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion.



No one is going to like every part of any particular Intellectual Property and they are free to express their opinions. However, when content is specifically rated "M" for Mature and lists "Sexual Themes", then you have to understand what you are potentially in for in purchasing the game. If that reality is unacceptable, simply choose not to play the game. Bioware has created a world where there are bright and shiny parts and also dank and dirty ones, just like our world. This is probably part of what attracts a lot of people to the game- that it can admit that there is a seedier side to our psyche and accept it.



I would rather not have resources spent on creating a 'content filter' for a game that is submitted for a content rating and is not supposed to be sold to people under 19 (in most parts) if said resources will detract from further content in the game itself.

[Phategod1]

the thing I dont get is this guy's wife must have some type eye problem the women are not nude or topless. heaven forbid you or your wife ever attend a pool party. I think you wifes issues with the Human body and the depiction of the human body are hers and hers alone. I'd suggest counseling, that way you can A) stop classifying anyone in a bodysuit and dancing as a stripper. and enjoy the game with ridicule.

[Gemini1179]

PS-  OP, don't play Heavy Rain, God of War 3, any of the Rockstar games or anything by Illusion...

Modifié par Gemini1179, 27 janvier 2011 - 04:08 .

[KainrycKarr]

rrp wrote...

in the first ME the dancers are optional. ME2 they are thrown in your face and unavoidable. all i am saying is can we make them optional again leave it up to the player. this is one atmosphere i not only avoid in real life, but would also like to avoid in my video games. i apologize for the pervs comment to anyone who takes offense i was merely making a stab at the people who stereotype gamers into being pervs.

Uh, the dancers are optional in ME1? No they weren't...they are in Chora's den no matter what.

Get over it.

[Spartas Husky]

Gemini1179 wrote...

PS-  OP, don't play Heavy Rain, God of War 3, any of the Rockstar games or anything by Illusion...

Or:
Godfather 1
Godfather 2
GTA every single one fo them
HItman most of them
Duken Nukem
Mass effect 1
Mass Effect 2
Prince of Persia, sands of time
Prince of persia Warrior within
Prince of Persia  Two thrones
Bullet Witch
Bayonetta
Street Fighers
marvel vs capcom
King of Fighers
need for speed games... some have cute girls who hold the starting flag/rag w.e... I think
Overlord 1
Overlod 2
Conan
Fallout 3
I think even zelda has women dressing provocatively




The list goes on. Most games rated M have females in revealing clothing...
Unless the game is specifically a shooter or horror... then it might not.

[N0touchi]

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

If that is your generalization of Americans, then you need to get out more.

[Bogsnot1]

@RRP: You said yourself that you are the content filter, and that you would be willing to pay more for a content filter. Nothing is stopping you from going out, and hiring a bunch of coders to remove the content from the game which you find objectionable.

Its the same as anyone who is physically disabled, either from birth, or by recent accident, must go along and pay, out of their own pocket (or have a charity drive), for their house to be modified to suit their individual needs. They dont get to demand that every house builder must include whelchair ramps, or elevators, or extra-wide doorways, just because they may buy that house in future.

[raynbow]

the content filter is the rating. tbh if you are concerned about content don't buy it.

[Bogsnot1]

N0touchi wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...
I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

If that is your generalization of Americans, then you need to get out more.

Unfortunately, most people outside of the US hear more from the loud mouthed conservative douchebags than they do from the tolerant, sane 50% of US citizens.

[Whereto]

Ever country has it's generalization, so get over it. A lot of the world still believe most Australian are farmers that live in the outback and some believe we ride kangaroos around. None of which are true, but people still say it.

[Bogsnot1]

I dont knock it, I use it to against the dopey tourists who seem to think we have roos hopping their way down George street. When they asked where they can be seen, I tell them the to go to Hyde Park at 1pm for the roo feeding sessions.
Mind you, I also tell them that the siren they hear at the beaches is just to let the locals know its time for them to get out of the water and let the tourists have a decent splash around.

[Whereto]

Ya mate, best roo picks up the best hooker at the cross. Kangaroo dealerships are as common as Holden or ford dealerships

on a side note: i really want miranda to come out and say someone is a fair dinkum wanker. that would make my day considering how many times ive said that to some one

Modifié par Whereto, 27 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .

[rokeeb]

In all honesty, I don't see the option for a content filter as so bad. Who cares if someone else somewhere didn't see the 'seediness' of Omega. You still go to, so that's all that should matter.

[ZLurps]

rokeeb wrote...

In all honesty, I don't see the option for a content filter as so bad. Who cares if someone else somewhere didn't see the 'seediness' of Omega. You still go to, so that's all that should matter.

I and some others have tried to make some sort of guess what implementing content filter would mean for production.
I must say my contribution to that hasn't been that great so I try to sum up what people have wrote and some of my own thoughts.

1. Writing/producing the story comes difficult because writers/produce needs to do additional work to figure out how player experience changes when some content, say Asari dancers are filtered for some players.
2. Filtering swearing means writing additional lines, voice actors needs to make additional lines, or additional edits to insert bleebs.
3. Feature doesn't implement itself so additional code work is required.
4. Q&A needs to test original content and filtered content.
5. Crew that makes localised versions need to go through steps 2-3 again.

All that costs money, and if my memory serves me right, implementing content filter doesn't necessarily allow lower rating. Say if there were content filter in ME2 it would still be M rated game in the US. I may be wrong though.
Anyway, I don't think this would lead big enough increase in sales to justify the costs. It would probably be much easier just produce game to comply with T rating.

Then principle. I can understand that people who have chosen to not watch or listen to certain things may feel pressure to have something like video games or Saving Private Ryan available for them too. My guess is it's among others, social thing, everyone is talking about this movie or that game and they feel left out.
However, I don't think content filters or so are the answer, they have made a choice in their life... I think we need to live with consequences of our choices.


What comes to America and media sex and violence I don't know if generalization of Americans for religious conservatives as puritans and/or liberal left that would allow anything leads anywhere.
For every group demanding nudity to be banned there probably is a porn producer who tries to get his film done and sold as "social commentary" abusing loops holes in law or regulations or whatever. I don't think it's just black and white in the US but most people fall in somewhere between and understand things in their context. Then I don't live in America.

Edit to clarify.

Modifié par ZLurps, 27 janvier 2011 - 10:35 .

[rokeeb]

ZLurps, I see all of that, but what developer would really go to all that trouble?

Couldn't they just write some lines of code (note: I have no coding experience what-so-ever and have no understanding of how coding works) that stops the blood from appearing, silences any swear words in the dialogue and removes the 'stripper' models? Have it as an option in the menu and that's it.

That would allow anyone with a problem like the O.P.'s problem to not have the problem anymore.

EDIT: But just to clarify, I have no problems with Mass Effect 2's maturity. Compared to some other games, it really is tame. Here in Australia, it has a somple MA15+ (Mature audiences 15 years and over) rating, for Strong Violence (this could just show that the OFLC are lazy though).

I amonly  young myself (only a few months 15) but I can see why some people may want the option t toggle. It's not like many people would complain that the censorship option takes too much away from the game, because it's supposed to do that. It also wouldn't take away from the development, as it could be very simple yet effective.

Modifié par rokeeb, 27 janvier 2011 - 11:32 .

[Spartas Husky]

N0touchi wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

I guess this is the American way of dealing things: the wife gets furious when she sees her husband playing a game that show some dancers (not strippers, only dancers). Conclusion, rather than talking with your spouse about the quite serious problem you have in your relationship, you come and demand that the virtual images need to be censored so your wife won't see them? Dude, get some counseling ASAP or prepare for a divorce.

If that is your generalization of Americans, then you need to get out more.

dude you got to admit we are that way. Instead of adressing the problema t its source we try to find the shortcut answer and either blame someone else, or ask for someone to change w/e is bothering us to suit our own views.

[CannotCompute]

No, just keep it M rated. Teens will play it anyway.

[rrp]

rokeeb, thank you, you are the only on ein this thread who is understanding my words. Optional is the key word. in the first Mass Effect seeing the dancers is optional even when you fight Fist there are no dancers. in ME2 you have to go into afterlife to progress in the game and the dancers are everywhere. which is fine they are trying to show the enviroment of Afterlife fine. but why not make it optional? why do we have to go into afterlife? or why do the dancers have to be in the main area? i get the dancers are part of the universe. i fully understood that in the first Mass Effect by the dialogue alone without ever seeing a dancer. So we know that it can be done, because the Universe and story didn't change anything about the first Mass Effect? and you all will probably not agree with this, but i honestly feel like the story in Mass Effect 2 would not be changed at all if the dancers were optional.

[Uszi]

rrp wrote...

rokeeb, thank you, you are the only on ein this thread who is understanding my words. Optional is the key word. in the first Mass Effect seeing the dancers is optional even when you fight Fist there are no dancers. in ME2 you have to go into afterlife to progress in the game and the dancers are everywhere. which is fine they are trying to show the enviroment of Afterlife fine. but why not make it optional? why do we have to go into afterlife? or why do the dancers have to be in the main area? i get the dancers are part of the universe. i fully understood that in the first Mass Effect by the dialogue alone without ever seeing a dancer. So we know that it can be done, because the Universe and story didn't change anything about the first Mass Effect? and you all will probably not agree with this, but i honestly feel like the story in Mass Effect 2 would not be changed at all if the dancers were optional.

Push it to the limit

Walk along the razor's edge

but don't look down, just keep your head

and you'll be finished



Open up the limit

past the point of no return

You've reached the top but still you gotta learn

how to keep it



Hit the wheel and double the stakes

throttle wide open like a bat out of hell

and you crash the gates

(crash the gates)

The power game's still playing so you better win it, Troll. 

[Kangasniemi]

rrp wrote...

rokeeb, thank you, you are the only on ein this thread who is understanding my words. Optional is the key word. in the first Mass Effect seeing the dancers is optional even when you fight Fist there are no dancers. in ME2 you have to go into afterlife to progress in the game and the dancers are everywhere. which is fine they are trying to show the enviroment of Afterlife fine. but why not make it optional? why do we have to go into afterlife? or why do the dancers have to be in the main area? i get the dancers are part of the universe. i fully understood that in the first Mass Effect by the dialogue alone without ever seeing a dancer. So we know that it can be done, because the Universe and story didn't change anything about the first Mass Effect? and you all will probably not agree with this, but i honestly feel like the story in Mass Effect 2 would not be changed at all if the dancers were optional.

Maybe you should try talking to your wife and asking why she goes ape **** crazy when she sees you playing a game that has some blue and black polygons arranged in a form of a female character... Just a hunch but there might be something a bit deeper there.

It has been said many many many many times in this thread already, bocking content isn't just click one button and it's done. It takes resources and it's a never ending spiral that leads to total censorship. You demand no women in the game, next one demands no blood, next one demands no killing and so on. It's a never ending spiral where there are no winners.

[Merchant2006]

It'd be great to have a content filter on a Gears game.

You can already see how my statement is flawed. Counter Strike for Kids anyone?

[Gemini1179]

Kangasniemi wrote...

It has been said many many many many times in this thread already, bocking content isn't just click one button and it's done. It takes resources and it's a never ending spiral that leads to total censorship. You demand no women in the game, next one demands no blood, next one demands no killing and so on. It's a never ending spiral where there are no winners.

This.

I want to keep posting in this thread, but every time I read some of the posts I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. There seems to be this very 'general' insanity in North America (we Canadians are as much to blame as anyone) that sexuality is bad, but violence is oh so good. However, in Europe and Asia, especially in the movie industry, sexuality is natural and violence is censored.

Artistic expression, no matter if you like it or not, should never be censored. It is up to parents to raise their children, not the television.

By the way, OP and all the 'pro' content filter people: would it be fair for me to ask for MORE sex in the game? Purely for the enjoyment of it and with no impact on story or setting? Like, I want a "Hump Mode". Is that unfair? It's just a few simple lines of code, right?


/end rant.

To be somewhat constructive, to the OP and everyone who feels like they do- I believe there is a religious group in the southern US somewhere that already censors and re-releases films to whomever wishes for it, so if you ask them, they might go ahead and do what you want. Be careful what you wish for though...

[rrp]

there is a content filter in Gears of War 2. i know it is not just a click of a button to make a content filter i know it would take resources. and i am not demanding no women i am not demanding anything i am saying to make seeing the dancers optional that is all.

[rrp]

Gemini1179 wrote...


This.

I want to keep posting in this thread, but every time I read some of the posts I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. There seems to be this very 'general' insanity in North America (we Canadians are as much to blame as anyone) that sexuality is bad, but violence is oh so good. However, in Europe and Asia, especially in the movie industry, sexuality is natural and violence is censored.

Artistic expression, no matter if you like it or not, should never be censored. It is up to parents to raise their children, not the television.

By the way, OP and all the 'pro' content filter people: would it be fair for me to ask for MORE sex in the game? Purely for the enjoyment of it and with no impact on story or setting? Like, I want a "Hump Mode". Is that unfair? It's just a few simple lines of code, right?

it would be fair for you to ask for mare sex in the game. and i would not oppose it, if it was optional to see it. i am not asking for censoring i am not asking to crush some artists work i am asking to make it optional. i don't care if it is in the game i just don't want to HAVE to see it. put more sex in the game put more dancers in the game even make them naked i don't care i just don't want to see it.

[Gemini1179]

No, rpp, it is not fair for me to ask that of them. It is asking them to change their artistic vision to suit my wants.

If looking at women in provocative dress is really an issue for you, a simple content filter on one game is not a solution to your problem.

Modifié par Gemini1179, 27 janvier 2011 - 05:57 .