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[Funkcase]

Rogue Unit wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Out of curiosity, where did all the Ash/Kaidan haters come from? There weren't this many of them last month.

They were underground. Haters of certain character don't get vocal until supporters do - and A/K fans have been very vocal as of late. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Ash and Kaidan haters are always vocal, any thread about Ash or Kaidan will always have someone claim Ash is racist in the first two pages, no matter what the thread was about. And the funny thing. they can never actually put up a argument as to how she is racist, without it being proven false.

Modifié par Funkcase, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:31 .

[Zubie]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Not to diss A/K, but they're just your average joe alliance soldiers.

You just pointed out what makes them so great.

They don't need the Devs telling you "oooooo look at this hawt blue alien chick with super powerz!! so sexay!!!! she's smart too!!!....did i mention she's a BLUE alien!!! ooooo!!!" or in Miranda's case, shoving her big ass right in your face.

Ashley and Kaidan are just completely normal people who happen to be alliance soldiers just doing their jobs, and yet still kick ass.

Now that's awesome.

[Funkcase]

mrsph wrote...

You can't make a thread about any character without a bunch of haters swarming in on it like a fat kid on cake.

This is true.

If only people had a little more respect for each other, I dont care if someone dislikes something I like, but they could atleast respect the fact I like them and not post obnoxious comments, they wouldn't like me doing that about there favourite character, and I wouldn't anyway.

Modifié par Funkcase, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:35 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Liara is one character: it's easy to create a single DLC that applies in all situations.

THe Virmire Survivor is two characters, only one of which will be in the DLC. They have different backgrounds, different personalities, different career paths... to make a Virmire Survivor DLC, they have to effectively make two separate DLCs, only one of which you'll actually play through with any particular Shepard. Lots of extra work for minimal return. That's why we haven't seen one yet. 

[Raanz]

You'll see VS dlc. Alliance and Cerberus resolution. It's part of the bridging content that Bioware talked about.
Try to remember that the "Liara" content you are referring to was actually Shadow Broker resolution kicked off by the comic and the story of the fight between Cerberus and the SB to regain Shepard's body.  Liara was the main character in it because of her involvement....*prepare for big surprise*...even if you didn't *gasp* romance Liara.  I know, it is shocking.

Modifié par Raanz, 25 janvier 2011 - 04:03 .

[knightnblu]

Frankly, I am of the opinion that either Ash or Alenko is going to die at the start of ME3. Both ditch you, both are in the Alliance for life, and all of Earths defenses were destroyed. Seems like a shoe in to me, particularly since BioWare has been so tight lipped about it and no DLC is on the radar.

[V-rex]

StarGateGod wrote...

because kaiden is a emo punk, and ashley is a human supremisit which surprises me that she didnt join cerberaus

First of all, Kaiden is one of the most emotionally stable of all the characters in Mass Effect. Hell, Garrus is more emo then he is. Tali is more emo then Kaiden is..... even Grunt is more emo than Kaiden. So what, Kaiden has had a tough life and is able to discuss it calmy with someone he feels he can talk to about it and has managed to square his problems away and be calm and rational about them and be open minded about the galaxy..... and THAT'S why he's an emo?
Because he's gotten OVER his emotional baggage and it doesn't bother him anymore? Seriously?

Second of all, at most Ashley is only hesitant about relying on aliens to look out for humanities best interests, a 'supremacist' is someone who thinks their race is superior to all others, or that other races can be considered 'inferior'. Ashley doesn't fit that description, only the idiots of the fanbase seem to think she does. At most she is cautious and distrustful based on bad family history and lack of personal experience, she never crosses the realm of a true bigot. In fact when she meets true bigots she can't stand to be around them, similarly at certain points in the story she volunteers to assist alien teams and hopes for improved relations between humans and the Quarians. She's not a racist.
That said, it really is kind of laughable to see how far people are willing to overstate her 'racism'. Considering half the most popular characters in the series do the same stuff five times worse and get applauded for it.

Modifié par V-rex, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[V-rex]

TexasToast712 wrote...


Because Ashley is a bigot and Kaiden is a biotic emo. Noone likes them.

Of course, it makes so much sense now. Thank you so much, see all this time I thought I DID like Ashley and that everyone on the same thread that now piles in the hundreds of people ALSO liked them but of course we must have been mistaken. Either the hundreds of people on this forum have misinterpretted their own opinion or they must be under the mistaken notion that they themselves even exist at all.
Because as you say NO-ONE likes Ashley/Kaiden so obviously the huge portion of the fanbase must only exist in their own delusions or we must not be aware of our own wants and desires.

Or you know... you're a pathetic troll. That's something I'm inclined to believe.
:D:D:D

[V-rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Out of curiosity, where did all the Ash/Kaidan haters come from? There weren't this many of them last month.

The first generation of trolls under the bridge began to reproduce and reproduce and now the fifth generation of inbred mutant troll monsters scuttle out from their lairs and pollute the world with their presence.
Or more like the fact that there's popular demand for the characters now, hence they have to hate on them. Which frankly, considering they were hating on them anyway, seems rather obnoxious to me.
Because its like there are more and more people who understand that Ashley isn't 'racist' and that Kaiden isn't 'emo' and now as if to make up for this all the hardcore haters have to be even louder.

Also I apologize for how all my posts have had to be trippled, but for some reason my computer won't allow me to quote more than one person at a time so anyway my opinion:

I would hope, greatly, for some kind of bridging gap story DLC that features the Virmire Survivor, I see no reason why I should continue to feel neglected and forgotten by Bioware just because I'm not the majority. However if they would rather save said characters for one hell of a huge role in Mass Effect 3 then that's fine too. To be honest I think the main reason a lot of us want to see the characters return via DLC is just so that we can be assured that Bioware actually does care about us.

Modifié par V-rex, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[Lewie]

I have to throw 2 cents in. Ashley and Kaidan were a main connection to the alliance in ME1, no matter how many playthroughs i hate having to kill either, every time. In ME2 your already separated from the alliance as much as possible bar Garrus who is c-sec and Anderson. I hated being with Cerberus from the start i would love to see ashley and or kaidan, hackett, anderson, bailey as major players in 3.

[Spartas Husky]

louise101 wrote...


I have to throw 2 cents in. Ashley and Kaidan were a main connection to the alliance in ME1, no matter how many playthroughs i hate having to kill either, every time. In ME2 your already separated from the alliance as much as possible bar Garrus who is c-sec and Anderson. I hated being with Cerberus from the start i would love to see ashley and or kaidan, hackett, anderson, bailey as major players in 3.

As long as tali grrus and wrex remain my friends. Everyone else can go to ..... w/e hell they believe in.


Maybe I can add legion in there... but tno sure yet

[DarthSliver]

I will go out of the box and say they will join you in Mass Effect 3 most likely depending on how you played through ME2. I say this because I saw points where you could favor the Alliance over Cerberus. So I doubt there will be an DLC for them. Just stay loyal to the Alliance even through your working with Cerberus and I am sure they will join up with you in ME3

[Baihu1983]

Its going to happen.

[SmokePants]

You would all agree that it's easier and less messy to give birth to a baby with a single head as opposed to a two-headed little mutant, right? Asari head fringes notwithstanding.

[V-rex]

SmokePants wrote...

You would all agree that it's easier and less messy to give birth to a baby with a single head as opposed to a two-headed little mutant, right? Asari head fringes notwithstanding.

And whose fault was that? Bioware's.
I'm sorry but I know that doing an Ashley/Kaiden DLC would be tricky because it means a dual world situation one with Ashley and one with Kaiden but if you ask me Bioware has no excuse not to do that extra work. After all it was THEIR decision to make it so that one of the characters HAD to die in Mass Effect 1, with that in mind they had to be aware that this problem was going to surface later on down the line and as such should have been prepared to do the extra work.

There's no use talking about how your choices will have 'big consequences' if ultimatley said choices get pushed to the side because it would just be too difficult to make, then what was the point? If Bioware really want that promise about choices to mean anything, then they have to get their act together and show that they are capable of putting together stories even if it means doing a lot of extra work to do it.

So no, the 'extra effort be too great Captain' is not a viable excuse for me. They chose to make it this way, they shot themselves in the foot, but they can't be bothered to treat the wound.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Because Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was far more interesting than anything the Virmire Survivor had going on at the time, which was literally nothing. After the Horizon mission the VS survivor is not up to anything interesting. There were no unresolved plot lines with Ashley or Kaiden in ME2 and it would have made little sense for Bioware to have created a new story for DLC just to bring the Virmire Survivor back, when Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was still unresolved.

I  also have a feeling that Liara's going to play a role similar to TIM in ME3. If she is providing you intel and setting up the main story missions for the final game in the series, then LotSB is an important bridge between ME2 and ME3.

I'd love to see DLC based around the Virmire Survivor, but Bioware made the right decision in creating content dealing with Liara first.  LotSB was also pure unadulterated awesome. If it had sucked maybe you'd have a point, but it is by far the best DLC released for Mass Effect so far. 

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 25 janvier 2011 - 10:29 .

[Ahriman]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Because Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was far more interesting than anything the Virmire Survivor had going on at the time, which was literally nothing. After the Horizon mission the VS survivor is not up to anything interesting. There were no unresolved plot lines with Ashley or Kaiden in ME2 and it would have made little sense for Bioware to have created a new story for DLC just to bring the Virmire Survivor back, when Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was still unresolved.

Good point, LotSB was a conclusion to long Liara versus SB story. Currently VS doesn't have such story and that's a problem.

I  also have a feeling that Liara's going to play a role similar to TIM in ME3. If she is providing you intel and setting up the main story missions for the final game in the series, then LotSB is an important bridge between ME2 and ME3.

Still I don't understand why Shepard always needs 'rule hand' to do something?
Anyway Anderson also may take this role, especially after events in last book.

[Babyblue]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Because Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was far more interesting than anything the Virmire Survivor had going on at the time, which was literally nothing. After the Horizon mission the VS survivor is not up to anything interesting. There were no unresolved plot lines with Ashley or Kaiden in ME2 and it would have made little sense for Bioware to have created a new story for DLC just to bring the Virmire Survivor back, when Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was still unresolved.

I  also have a feeling that Liara's going to play a role similar to TIM in ME3. If she is providing you intel and setting up the main story missions for the final game in the series, then LotSB is an important bridge between ME2 and ME3.

I'd love to see DLC based around the Virmire Survivor, but Bioware made the right decision in creating content dealing with Liara first.  LotSB was also pure unadulterated awesome. If it had sucked maybe you'd have a point, but it is by far the best DLC released for Mass Effect so far. 

At the end of ME1 Liara had nothing like the VS, she was in the same boat as Ash and Kaidan, then Bioware released redemption and she had a interesting story ready for dlc and ME3.

Ash and Kaidan ARE doing something interesting, what? We dont know. But TIM says that the VS files are ''surprisingly classified'' and we find out later in the game that the VS are doing special assigments directly from Anderson. We also see Anderson in LotSB speaking to a Cerberus personal in private, and then there is Hacketts file. The Alliance are up to something, Ash and Kaidan are Shepards last ties to the Alliance except for Anderson and Hackett, so it will have somethng to do with them,  they are up to something. I find that all interesting, and want to find out what.

Also I sense there is gonna be some revelations in Evolution, about the Williams family that Ash dosen't yet know about, and maybe we find out Cerberus had something to do with BAat.

Modifié par Babyblue, 25 janvier 2011 - 12:54 .

[Kusy]

OP asked...
Why did liara get dlc and not ashley/Kaidan

Because Jesus said so.

[Zulu_DFA]

The only "up to something" plot line the Alliance may be at regarding Shepard is to finally bring him in. The VS is a logical choice for the job, although after Horizon there is the serious problem that many Shepards would not trust the VS.

Making Liara and Shepard best buddies in the LotSB no matter the player's attitude was bad. But I can understand the reasoning behind it, if Liara is and is going to continue to be used for general story advancement. The repetition of the "reunion" stuff with the VS, who is hated by many (especially Ashley -- I, for one, like the character as a player, but my Shepard wants badly to falcon punch her) will be even more awkward and out of place, if BioWare pulls it just to please certain fan factions. Unless an option to go totally sour with the VS is provided, which is doubdtful, as it's not a very good idea regarding their promised bigger role in ME3.

All in all, I think VS fans should honestly admit to themselves that they (a) have to be patient, and ( are in no way entitled to anything, just because there was a "Liara DLC". Most probably we'll all get the VS in the last "bridging" DLC, but it will not be any time soon, and when it comes it will not be like what they want in to be.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:25 .

[AdmiralCheez]

^Apart from shamelessly supporting his own theories again, Zulu makes some valid points. Regardless of whether or not we get VS DLC, however, I hope Kaishley gets a triumphant return, even though I'm too fond of him/her. Horizon and an email? That was just pathetic, not only for storytelling reasons (LAAAAAME dialogue) but for game design purposes (they are placeholders of each other? WTF?) and fanbase respect (we made Tali/Garrus squaddies, Liara the SB, and Wrex a king, but Willenko is just some douche that shows up for two minutes).

[Lewie]

Spartas Husky wrote...

louise101 wrote...


I have to throw 2 cents in. Ashley and Kaidan were a main connection to the alliance in ME1, no matter how many playthroughs i hate having to kill either, every time. In ME2 your already separated from the alliance as much as possible bar Garrus who is c-sec and Anderson. I hated being with Cerberus from the start i would love to see ashley and or kaidan, hackett, anderson, bailey as major players in 3.

As long as tali grrus and wrex remain my friends. Everyone else can go to ..... w/e hell they believe in.


Maybe I can add legion in there... but tno sure yet

I think the 4 you mentioned have to be, and liara. Mordin too for the genophage/krogan. Joker definately. I can see them all being in though, in a way but it might not be feasible. Hell . Just make a massive game Bioware lol? 

[james1976]

It could be that Kaiden/Ashley will have a bigger role to play in ME3 or they are involved in the final DLC.

[Lewie]

Babyblue wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Because Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was far more interesting than anything the Virmire Survivor had going on at the time, which was literally nothing. After the Horizon mission the VS survivor is not up to anything interesting. There were no unresolved plot lines with Ashley or Kaiden in ME2 and it would have made little sense for Bioware to have created a new story for DLC just to bring the Virmire Survivor back, when Liara's subplot with the Shadowbroker was still unresolved.

I  also have a feeling that Liara's going to play a role similar to TIM in ME3. If she is providing you intel and setting up the main story missions for the final game in the series, then LotSB is an important bridge between ME2 and ME3.

I'd love to see DLC based around the Virmire Survivor, but Bioware made the right decision in creating content dealing with Liara first.  LotSB was also pure unadulterated awesome. If it had sucked maybe you'd have a point, but it is by far the best DLC released for Mass Effect so far. 

At the end of ME1 Liara had nothing like the VS, she was in the same boat as Ash and Kaidan, then Bioware released redemption and she had a interesting story ready for dlc and ME3.

Ash and Kaidan ARE doing something interesting, what? We dont know. But TIM says that the VS files are ''surprisingly classified'' and we find out later in the game that the VS are doing special assigments directly from Anderson. We also see Anderson in LotSB speaking to a Cerberus personal in private, and then there is Hacketts file. The Alliance are up to something, Ash and Kaidan are Shepards last ties to the Alliance except for Anderson and Hackett, so it will have somethng to do with them,  they are up to something. I find that all interesting, and want to find out what.

Also I sense there is gonna be some revelations in Evolution, about the Williams family that Ash dosen't yet know about, and maybe we find out Cerberus had something to do with BAat.

For the reasons you just gave show there is a perfect ground for bridging content. One of my final playthroughs will be loyal to the alliance so if we are given that choice it is just waiting to find out what. Ugh the suspense!