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[Sajuro]

 I was pondering the question of whether to let Earth fall or not that people have floated for ME3, and I wondered how invested are any of the Shepard's in Earth on a personal level? For Earthborns, they lived in poverty and left the planet for the system's alliance as soon as they could. The Spacer might have been to Earth when their parents were stationed there, but it wouldn't be a home really. For Colonists, they might never have been to Earth before and it is only a symbol or distant planet to them.
I'm asking for your shepard's view on Earth, since mine (Earthborn) would let it go if the other species were at stake.

[Cheesy Blue]

My Shepard is Earthborn so he's gonna get pretty worked up over the fact that the reapers are attacking Earth.

Modifié par Cheesy Blue, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:00 .

[DaVanguard]

(off-topic: spacer backgrond never said shep's parents were ever stationed on any planet only space stations and ships)



My main(spacer/warhero/pro-alliance) would do his best to defend it its got 11billion+ people after all

[Zulu_DFA]

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

[Cheesy Blue]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Modifié par Cheesy Blue, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:58 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Agree with DaVanguard, saving 11 billion people's a pretty big deal. But if I have to choose between it and the rest of the galaxy (millions of human colonists and trillions of aliens), it's gettin' crispied. Or if saving the Earth's the "dramatic" conclusion to the trilogy, in which case I will let it burn out of spite.

As for my Sheps, they have varying opinions on the matter.  My pure-paragons will find a way to save it as well as the rest of the galaxy, because they are super-sparkly good guys and such.  My paragades will try to save it as best they can, but if sacrificing Earth means saving the rest of the galaxy, so be it.  My renegons will save the Earth no matter what, casualties be damned, and my pure renegades are more concerned with destroying the Reaper threat than being the hero, but will let the aliens burn before humans do.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:15 .

[marshalleck]

Sajuro wrote...

I'm asking for your shepard's view on Earth, since mine (Earthborn) would let it go if the other species were at stake.

So what kind of horrific event would leave your Shepard's psyche so scarred that he could turn his back on the deaths of billions of his fellow humans for the sake of a species completely distinct and utterly alien to his own? 

I am just absolutely incredulous at these claims a character could simply walk away from Earth being devastated. That's just utterly fantastical and unbelievable, unless the character is simply unhinged and divorced from reality--in which case I doubt they'd have advanced to N7 special ops in the Alliance military.

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:01 .

[marshalleck]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Zulu's post is so absurd it doesn't even warrant response, really. 

[Zulu_DFA]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[Interactive Civilian]

My Shepard is not particularly attached to Earth. Perhaps she would be if she'd been allowed to land there in ME2, though it was nice to land on the Moon in ME1, despite the obnoxiously frustrating mission there (*shakes angry fist at rocket drones*).


That said, she's not just going to let it burn, unless saving it means wiping out everything else in the Galaxy. Given the (completely speculative, made up in my head) choice between humans only surviving and the galactic community surviving at the cost of losing Earth, I will side with the galactic community. I don't put much value on biological species, and my Shepard has friends from other species whom she would protect over any random human any day. Allowing all other intelligent life to die out for the sake of one species goes against everything my Shepard stands for, even if it is her own species.

Of course, the dichotomy of "save the Earth" vs. "save other life" is probably false, so it's all moot. But, that is pretty much what it would take for me to be willing to allow the Earth to burn.

Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[marshalleck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

The colonies would lose the vast majority of the market for their output--and would no doubt be exploited by opportunistic volus looking to bleed them dry, since they'd be desperate for trade and could be easily low-balled.

Losing Earth would be ruinous to the Systems Alliance and all humans in general. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:19 .

[Fromyou]

okay now i'm tempted to replay mass effect 1 as earth borne shepard

[TuringPoint]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

LOL.

Near Genocide... it's good, right?  It can only strengthen you.

[The Big Nothing]

Well, it's his effing home, for eff's sake.

[Zulu_DFA]

marshalleck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

The colonies would lose the vast majority of the market for their output--and would no doubt be exploited by opportunistic volus looking to bleed them dry, since they'd be desperate for trade and could be easily low-balled.

Losing Earth would be ruinous to the Systems Alliance and all humans in general. 

The opportunistic Volus will dump prices galaxy-wide. Before the end of the week the Alliance will be back in business. It has been largely feeding the demand of the Citadel races anyway for the last 30 years.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:39 .

[skcih-deraj]

As for my Earth born... he left earth becuase there was nothing for him there. He said it best to Ashley "the future of humanity is out here." But will readily go back guns blazing to save Earth, the only home he's ever known. (No matter how much he tries to run from it)

[marshalleck]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

The colonies would lose the vast majority of the market for their output--and would no doubt be exploited by opportunistic volus looking to bleed them dry, since they'd be desperate for trade and could be easily low-balled.

Losing Earth would be ruinous to the Systems Alliance and all humans in general. 

The opportunistic Volus will dump prices galaxy-wide. Before the end of the week the Alliance will be back in business. It has been largely feeding the demand of the Citadel races anyway for the last 30 years.

No, it hasn't. It has been feeding the development boom on Earth for the past 30 years. Access to whole new worlds of resources spurred growth on Earth, and that economic wealth in turn flows out to the colonies that provide the raw materials. Cut the consumer out of that equation and you don't just hamper the colonies' economic development, you eliminate it. It would be like all of Europe going up in smoke during the 15th-18th centuries, leaving her colonies with no economic motivator for trade. They'd devolve to purely subsistence level communities and stagnate. There may be a few that manage to find new markets for their goods, at least for a while, but by and large it would be game over for our species.

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

[Nashiktal]

My shep is really attached to earth. As his home was devastated by batarian attack (it recovered, but not for shep) my shep sees earth as the motherland, a place he can always return to and be safe. With the reapers attack, my shep is going to be shaken, and pissed.

[Ryzaki]

Very my Shep was a colonist but Shep's husband is on Earth.



Needless to say ME3 is going to lead to rage.

[Zulu_DFA]

marshalleck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

The colonies would lose the vast majority of the market for their output--and would no doubt be exploited by opportunistic volus looking to bleed them dry, since they'd be desperate for trade and could be easily low-balled.

Losing Earth would be ruinous to the Systems Alliance and all humans in general. 

The opportunistic Volus will dump prices galaxy-wide. Before the end of the week the Alliance will be back in business. It has been largely feeding the demand of the Citadel races anyway for the last 30 years.

No, it hasn't. It has been feeding the development boom on Earth for the past 30 years. Access to whole new worlds of resources spurred growth on Earth, and that economic wealth in turn flows out to the colonies that provide the raw materials. Cut the consumer out of that equation and you don't just hamper the colonies' economic development, you eliminate it. It would be like all of Europe going up in smoke during the 15th-18th centuries, leaving her colonies with no economic motivator for trade. They'd devolve to purely subsistence level communities.

The recent economic crisis suggests otherwise. Only "consumer society" countries got hit. The economy of producing countries (mainly China, but also India and Iran) continued to grow, even though their export rates did not. They simply realized those goods on internal markets!

Plus, as I said, in Mass Effect, thanks to the Volus, the galactic economy is unified, so the economic toll of the Earth's loss will be shared by the entire Citdel space. The Alliance will just dump prices, so it's the alien competitors that should watch out for trouble.

Plus, building stealth frigates and fighter carrires is always a better investment than consumer goods...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:00 .

[Cheesy Blue]

marshalleck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

The colonies would lose the vast majority of the market for their output--and would no doubt be exploited by opportunistic volus looking to bleed them dry, since they'd be desperate for trade and could be easily low-balled.

Losing Earth would be ruinous to the Systems Alliance and all humans in general. 

Exactly, humans would lose their council position and would be pushed down to second class citizens. They would probally become a client race of one of the other council races and pushed into an existance no more meaningful than the Quarians.
 
Hell, the idea of the Quarians taking back their homeworld or finding a colony world seems realatively promising. Maybe the humans would be pushed into an even more miserable existance than the Quarians. I could honestly imagine the council having this coversation if Earth was destroyed and the Quarians took back their homeworld.

Asari Counciler: Well it seems that the Quarians have reclaimed their homeworld. Maybe we should give them an embassy now that they can constibute to us.

Turian Counciler: Inedeed but this presents a problem.

Salarian Counciler: What  do you mean?

Turian Counciler: Well, now that the Quarians will become a part of the Citidal Government we won't have anyone to blame for all of our problems.

Asari Counciler: Do you have a solution?

Turian Counciler: Yes, in fact I do. We should start blaming all of our problems on the Humans. No one really likes them and we can say that they brought the Reapers upon us because Earth was the first planet to get hit. Basically we can make them the new Quarians!

Salarian Counciler: That's an exellent idea! We should start an imidiate media campaign criticizing  the humans and their self destructive nature.

Asari Counciler: Fantastic! Everyone in the Galaxy will hate the humans within a month!

Turian Counciler: I'm glad to see this situation was resolved so quickly!

Salarian Counciler: Just one question. What do you think Commander Shepard will think about this?

Truian Counciler: Ah yes "Commander Shepard" The human that has saved the Galaxy from certain doom on multiple occasions. We have dismissed that claim.

[Yakko77]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Well, it's his effing home, for eff's sake.

In ME1, I saved the Council so as to have that super dreadnought for a later battle, not to save the Council (though I did let it get destroyed with my renegade play through just to play the role once).

In ME2, even my renegade destroyed the Collector base.  The Reapers will find another way, so will I.

In ME3, paragon or renegade, I'M SAVING  EARTH, PERIOD!!!  I hope the game doesn't force us into a position where we have to let 10 billion humans die on Earth in order to save 1 trillion aliens or something but IF it does, sorry aliens but I was a human before I was a Spectre.

[Zulu_DFA]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Exactly, humans would lose their council position and would be pushed down to second class citizens.

Only if you sacrifice all the Alliance star fleets by rushing to save Earth, instead of holding back and striking at the right moment.

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Hell, the idea of the Quarians taking back their homeworld or finding a colony world seems realatively promising. Maybe the humans would be pushed into an even more miserable existance than the Quarians.

The source of the Quarian misery is their issues about the "homeworld". We should listen to an AI here: a planet is just a piece of rock. A home is anywhere you choose to go together.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:08 .

[Cheesy Blue]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Exactly, humans would lose their council position and would be pushed down to second class citizens.

Only if you sacrifice all the Alliance star fleets by rushing to save Earth, instead of holding back and striking at the right moment.

Which is exactly what the Allaince would do, "sacrifice all the Alliance star fleets by rushing to save Earth."

[James2912]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

The colonies would lose the vast majority of the market for their output--and would no doubt be exploited by opportunistic volus looking to bleed them dry, since they'd be desperate for trade and could be easily low-balled.

Losing Earth would be ruinous to the Systems Alliance and all humans in general. 

Exactly, humans would lose their council position and would be pushed down to second class citizens. They would probally become a client race of one of the other council races and pushed into an existance no more meaningful than the Quarians.
 
Hell, the idea of the Quarians taking back their homeworld or finding a colony world seems realatively promising. Maybe the humans would be pushed into an even more miserable existance than the Quarians. I could honestly imagine the council having this coversation if Earth was destroyed and the Quarians took back their homeworld.

Asari Counciler: Well it seems that the Quarians have reclaimed their homeworld. Maybe we should give them an embassy now that they can constibute to us.

Turian Counciler: Inedeed but this presents a problem.

Salarian Counciler: What  do you mean?

Turian Counciler: Well, now that the Quarians will become a part of the Citidal Government we won't have anyone to blame for all of our problems.

Asari Counciler: Do you have a solution?

Turian Counciler: Yes, in fact I do. We should start blaming all of our problems on the Humans. No one really likes them and we can say that they brought the Reapers upon us because Earth was the first planet to get hit. Basically we can make them the new Quarians!

Salarian Counciler: That's an exellent idea! We should start an imidiate media campaign criticizing  the humans and their self destructive nature.

Asari Counciler: Fantastic! Everyone in the Galaxy will hate the humans within a month!

Turian Counciler: I'm glad to see this situation was resolved so quickly!

Salarian Counciler: Just one question. What do you think Commander Shepard will think about this?

Truian Counciler: Ah yes "Commander Shepard" The human that has saved the Galaxy from certain doom on multiple occasions. We have dismissed that claim.

I wouldn't put it past those smug sneaky bastards!