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[Sergeant Conley]

My Shepard's a Spacer/War Hero. I've never really thought about how he'd view Earth, so after doing so I figure he'd recognize its symbolic and population importance, and so would try as hard as he possibly could to save it, but if he had sacrifice it to stop the Reapers somehow (maybe detonate the sun while Harbinger's right over Earth? As I understand it, when the sun does finally naturally explode, it'll take out everything inside the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter), then he would do so after getting as many people off the planet as possible.



No, I don't think just killing Harbinger would beat the whole Reaper fleet. Neither do I think the whole Reaper fleet would be defeated just by winning a battle over Earth. It was just a lame hypothetical situation to prove a point.

[Schneidend]

Pwner1323 wrote...

This post is so wrong in so many levels. Fuel is used to travel in FTL. You'll run out of "diesel" before you're halfway to that cluster. Even if fuel was not an issue, it would take years in FTL to reach it. Possible from 20 to 50.

Theoretically you could go from one end of the galaxy to another with a single burn from the engines. However much fuel it takes for a single FTL jump could be all the fuel you need to make a trip.

[Interactive Civilian]

Schneidend wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

This post is so wrong in so many levels. Fuel is used to travel in FTL. You'll run out of "diesel" before you're halfway to that cluster. Even if fuel was not an issue, it would take years in FTL to reach it. Possible from 20 to 50.

Theoretically you could go from one end of the galaxy to another with a single burn from the engines. However much fuel it takes for a single FTL jump could be all the fuel you need to make a trip.

Uhh... That doesn't seem right at all, since when dealing with FTL flight you are already throwing out classical mechanics. I'm willing to bet that you can't just coast on inertia with an FTL jump, but rather that it takes a constant energy input to maintain the ability to be FTL. This would explain why it requires more fuel to travel greater distances when using FTL to go between systems in the game.

Think of it. If you wanted to just travel at the speed of light in real space-time (where mass, inertia, momentum, etc have meaning) it literally requires an infinite amount of energy to bring any mass to that speed, which is why it's an impossibility (i.e. as your velocity approaches c, your mass/energy approaches infinity, and therefore requiring infinitely more energy to continue accelerating that last little bit to c). I'm assuming FTL in the game sidesteps this impossibility by using the mass effect, but to maintain that effect through FTL flight requires energy input, so you can't just have an impulse at the start and coast on inertia.

Of course, I'm sure there are those who have looked into more detail about the physics of ME that can give a better explanation.

[Sajuro]

marshalleck wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I'm asking for your shepard's view on Earth, since mine (Earthborn) would let it go if the other species were at stake.

So what kind of horrific event would leave your Shepard's psyche so scarred that he could turn his back on the deaths of billions of his fellow humans for the sake of a species completely distinct and utterly alien to his own? 

I am just absolutely incredulous at these claims a character could simply walk away from Earth being devastated. That's just utterly fantastical and unbelievable, unless the character is simply unhinged and divorced from reality--in which case I doubt they'd have advanced to N7 special ops in the Alliance military.

Besides realizing that there is more to the Galaxy than Humanity? Part of it is that most of the people he considered friends growing up (the reds) died in gutters somewhere after a gang war leading to him wanting to get off Earth. The unit he served with on Akuze got wiped out, a second family of his. The remaining Reds wanted him to help and threatened to expose his ties to them if he didn't get someone out of jail, pretty embittering. Then he realizes that other humans orchestrated Akuze just to see what would happen (shot the scientist so Toombs could get off). After ME2 and working with the man who he felt was responsible for the loss of his unit, and seeing the worst of humanity, he just isn't emotionally tied to earth anymore.
The people aboard the Normandy are his family and he would go to hell and back to get them all back alive.

[STG]

Depends on the situation. If earth has to fall in order to save the galaxy then so be it. If not then I'd try to save it of course.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

My Shepard is not very attached to the earth. He's a Spacer, never had much of a planetary life. The Alliance is more of his family and home than the Earth is.

[CroGamer002]

All of my Shepard's will make Reapers pay for messing with Earth.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 janvier 2011 - 08:35 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Yakko77 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Now I think losing Earth could cause problems because we've never been big on cooperation as a species and I can just see the colonies fracturing apart and getting picked off one by one without a central authority and their guns.  Hmm I suppose that would fall into one of my two principles so I guess my Shep would sacrifice himself for Earth.

The Alliance capitol is the Arcturus Station. As long as it's safe, the Alliance will thrive on.

According to Mass Effect Wiki, Arcturus has a population of about 45,000.  While it's a vital post as it's HQ for the Alliance Fleet and houses the Alliance govt, it takes more than that to sustain a species.  Earth has 11+ billion.  Losing Earth but holding Arcturus is roughly equivalent to losing every city and town in the U.S. except for Washington D.C. but expecting the U.S. to "thrive on" in the aftermath.  It just doesn't seem viable for humanity if Earth and all its people are lost.  Would humanity go on?  Sure.  Would it thrive as it once did?  Not by a long shot, or at least not for a very long time.

What's so hard to grasp about the future / sci-fi technology? It's autamation, robotics, etc. Hell, the Geth "population" is zero, yet they are quite a formidable force in the Galaxy.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 08:56 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

Most Alliance industrial output is on Earth. Earth is both the primary producer and consumer: most colonies are resource extraction types.

[Dean_the_Young]

As for the prioritization of Earth...



Yeah, I'd let the Council Fleets die for Humanity. About time they did what they were always supposed to do.

[Annihilator27]

Pwner1323 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Now I think losing Earth could cause problems because we've never been big on cooperation as a species and I can just see the colonies fracturing apart and getting picked off one by one without a central authority and their guns.  Hmm I suppose that would fall into one of my two principles so I guess my Shep would sacrifice himself for Earth.

The Alliance capitol is the Arcturus Station. As long as it's safe, the Alliance will thrive on.

The reapers have to pass through Arcturus to get to Earth. They're smoked by the time the VGA trailer takes place. Sorry to burst you're bubble.

The Reapers don't need the mass relays to travel. Otherwise they could not put the mass relays all over the Galaxy. So no, I'm pretty sure the Big Ben Sniper knew what he was talking about when he said he didn't have an idea "where they came from". For all we know, the Reapers can drop out of FTL right above London.

It's true what they said. You're logic makes no sense.

It was "good" all until Zulu said that lol.

[Xilizhra]

I'll save it if doing so wouldn't result in the loss of many more lives.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

So your saying that losing 90% of your species population Galaxy Wide will strengthen humanity.

Even 99%, actually.

Strenght does not come in numbers. It comes in industrial output. Earth is just a huge sink for the Alliance industrial output.

It'll be like loosing fat.

Most Alliance industrial output is on Earth. Earth is both the primary producer and consumer: most colonies are resource extraction types.

Not true. We've got Halibron Industries on Terra Nova and Bekenstein's second development plan, as examples... And we've got the Arcturus Station itself, built and assembled from scratch outside of the Solar system. Given the existence of the omnitool tech, I believe most goods and commodities in the ME universe can be produced locally and quite cheap, and only the availability of raw materials limits production. Also, food can not be so easily produced, for it can't be exactly manufactured, so I suppose Earth quickly came to depend on quality food shipments from the agrarian colonies such a Eden Prime.

[Jzadek72]

My Shep was Earthborn, but hated it. However, she does tend to put a great value on life to the point of foolhardiness, so she would probably work hard to save it, but without attachment to the actual planet.

[luakel]

Pwner1323 wrote...

I can't believe the people saying they have no attachment to Earth. You are Shepard! You live in Earth, always have and always will. You don't care if it's destroyed? That logic is backwards. Forget what the OP put as a title. What do *YOU* think of Earth's peril?

Yeah, this. Even if my Shepard's a Spacer who's probably only been on Earth a handful of times, and his Paragon nature means that he's got a lot of alien buddies who might be angry if Palaven or Tuchanka or a huge part of the Migrant Fleet gets destroyed while Earth is being saved... I'd save it in a heartbeat. If the little blue marble comes under attack, then forget about roleplaying since my Shepard's going to go save it because of what I think, whether he cares or not. Maybe I'll take time to build up resources and allies first so it's not a futile attempt but the only thing that's more important than saving Earth is stopping the Reapers.

[Sidac]

Ill take my sweet ass time exploring the galaxy in ME3 before I goto save earth. Having a kegger on the collector base then might go save earth witht he hangover wears off.

My Earthborn War Hero was happy to leave that acid washed slum.

Modifié par Sidac, 25 janvier 2011 - 04:35 .

[Zulu_DFA]

acid washed slum.

My Earthborn Rutless was about to shove these words back down Anoleis' throat. But this was probably quite a correct description of the 22nd century Earth.

[Fixers0]

I'm a Spacer so i don't Really care what happens there anyway.

[Babli]

My canon Shep is Earth-born. And she was so happy when she get out of there. She also had enough of videogames where in the end she have to save the Earth.
So what will she says when it comes to saving Earth?

Obvíously...

[Suron]

Any shepard from full blown Paragon to full blown Renagade has to be a MORON if he doesn't care about Earth falling.



Earth is the origin of the human race.

Focus of the human race.



If Earth falls HUMANITY WILL BE SEVERELY WEAKENED...even a full blown renegade Shepard would realize that. As would TIM and Cerberus.



Humanity will be preyed upon HEAVILY if their home-world is destroyed...even if the war against Reapers is won. There are NO COLONIES out there purely HUMAN that could support humanity..AT ALL.



So let's drop the "I'm a badass and don't care about Earth" crap lol....only a complete moron wouldn't care what happens to Earth.



And since you are shoe-horned into a hero role...there is no such thing as a sociapathic Shepard dispite what you may want to tell yourselves. There is NO Shepard that would join the Reapers.



So again, only a completely idiotic wouldn't care about Earth falling. Good, Bad, or slobbering retard.

[Sbri]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The Alliance will become only stronger if the Earth is lost but the colonies remain untouched.

G'Morning Zulu.
However you lose the, for lack of a better word, "spirit" that Earth represents to humanity. You can have the greatest industrial output possible, but if you already feel defeated, then any advantage in numbers of either people or industrial production will have to overcome the mental and emotional hurdels of losing the Earth. Often people will fight to the death to protect stategically questionable goals, precisly because the loss of those targets would cause a huge loss of moral that might in fact lose you the war.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

How attached is your Shepard to Earth?

My Shepard? Well, on one hand, not more than to colonies ans stations where she lived with her parents when they 'transferred from posting to posting'. Whether good or bad, her origin made her quite a cosmopolite. On the other hand, Earth still remains humanity's cradle, it's featured in books, movies and TV shows, it's mentioned and longed for by earthborn spacers my Shepard knew; plus, so-many-billions of humans there...

Actually, I believe the would be NO choice 'Earth vs. the rest of the Galaxy' in ME3. First, it's very predictable and banal, to me at least. Second, such a choice would make a total-good-super-happy-ending impossible, and while I guess some of the players would applaud, not leaving an option to have an ending with sunshine and bunnies doesn't seem like something ME-style. Also, while ME3 is supposed to be about great losses (how many millions on the first day?) sacrificing either billions of humans or zillions of sentient individuals of other races would be way too much.

Surely, my Shepard would do her best to protect Earth - and other planets. But should we be forced to make the choice in question my Shepard is very, very likely to choose the rest of the Galaxy over Earth.

EDIT:

Pwner1323 wrote...
I can't believe the people saying they have no attachment to Earth. You are Shepard! You live in Earth, always have and always will. You don't care if it's destroyed? That logic is backwards. Forget what the OP put as a title. What do *YOU* think of Earth's peril?

1. The thread was about Shepards, not *US*.
2. There's a thing called roleplaying. Players who roleplay may disagree with their characters' morale and choices.
3. We're not talking about real Earth here. We're talking about a fictional universe. Games exist for us to make things we (probably) would never do in real life, from punching reporters to burning other men alive.
4. There's a good reason called 'story's sake'. Some players like a bit of drama and tragism and make, say, several squaddies die in SM because they feel the playthrough to be more interesting and complete that way. The same applies here, I guess.

Hope I make sense.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:32 .

[JamieCOTC]

My Shep was a colonist and has never been to earth, though her parents were born there, however that is in my own head-canon. If we go w/ gameplay formula, then Earthborn Shep will probably have a few extra lines when it comes to earth being attacked. The others will save it because it is a planet w/ 11 billion inhabitants or that it is the origin of the human race.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Colonist-Shepard will probably save the Earth out of a sense of duty and understanding that allowing his own species to become an endangered one is probably not a good thing.



As for personal attachment? My Shepard has only been to Earth a handful of times, and is sickened whenever he sees the vast slums and poverty. He's gained a profound sense of gratitude for having a home planet through his dealings with the quarians, and seeing their state of existence. So, he would be pretty motivated to save the Earth from destruction, but if he had to choose between saving Earth and the rest of the galaxy (which is unlikely to be a choice, since he's just one man)? He would save the galaxy every time. What's the point of saving one planet when you lose the majority of your allies?

[jlb524]

My Shepard (Earthborn) has an emotional attachment to Earth but it's not a positive one. Still, she won't abide it's destruction and will do her duty.