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[Mystranna Kelteel]

darknoon5 wrote...
Not all are sex-focused. Garrus' starts that way, but definetly doesn't end that way (there isn't even a sex scene), and Tali's seems more focused on her character and fear of leaving the suit then sex, too. Liara's LoTSB romance continuation also isn't sex oriented.
All the new human LI's seemed pretty sex focused, however Jack's not so much.
But whatever, it is a subjective issue, and we can agree to disagree on how good her romance is.

I haven't seen them all, but they all seem to have sex implied, even if only at the very end.  The entire scene may not be sex oriented, but that's the intent of the scene.  Thane punches a table and then you have sex.  Jacob says some funny lines, takes his shirt off, then you have sex. Miranda tells you to go to the engine room and you have sex. I'm pretty sure Tali literally jumps you; that's sex.  Never saw Jack's, but I know it's about her breaking down and crying; and I saw like thirty seconds of Garrus's (which was probably most of it).

But how much sex is involved is not really the issue here; I was referring to the romance structure.  I find Kelly's romantic structure and romantic content much more satisfying and realistic; if you disagree that's fine.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[Winterfly]

Obviously she is to hostile to go close to. I would not like to by mistake say the wrong word and get blown up by a biotic explosion...



I know, she had a pretty bad past but some memories seemingly is a bit screwed up to make her think she was "special" when a lot of other childrens got screwed over by Cerberus too.



Hell, maybe they should shot her for being disobedient to the second in command, **** or not ****.

[Resiant1998]

I just make her to feed my fish, but so that you dont get an email from her in wich she says that she wants to go to your cabin. At the beginning I give her the "Informal is fine" option, and all the flirty options in the next conversations with her are gone and after the collector ship mission I say "Where is my Hug" - She goes up - Wants to feed my fish afterwards. Since i dont get the email from her at the end of the game I dont think i was cheating anyone, hopefully it will be imported that way in ME3^^

[Xilizhra]

Well, it looks like I'll be feeding my own fish in my canon, loyal-to-Liara-forever playthrough. I didn't think that the Kellymance was developed enough to count as a real one initially (in game terms, not content ones), but now I see differently.

[Cutlass Jack]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like I'll be feeding my own fish in my canon, loyal-to-Liara-forever playthrough. I didn't think that the Kellymance was developed enough to count as a real one initially (in game terms, not content ones), but now I see differently.

Just take the friendship path Dusty mentions and your fish will be fed.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like I'll be feeding my own fish in my canon, loyal-to-Liara-forever playthrough. I didn't think that the Kellymance was developed enough to count as a real one initially (in game terms, not content ones), but now I see differently.

You don't have to flirt with her to have her feed your fish.  You can just be friends with her too.  You just need to have dinner with her.

[Xilizhra]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it looks like I'll be feeding my own fish in my canon, loyal-to-Liara-forever playthrough. I didn't think that the Kellymance was developed enough to count as a real one initially (in game terms, not content ones), but now I see differently.

Just take the friendship path Dusty mentions and your fish will be fed.

Ah, yes. Spiffy.

But now... well, I suppose I'll make a Shepard who fully romances Kelly if she's better-developed in ME3. I'll worry about how to resist Liara in ME1 then.

[meh_cd]

I was trying to play the safe route, and I managed to invite her up to the cabin but not have her feed my fish. Now they're dead.

[volus4life]

i'd rather flirt, have dinner with, then date a cute co worker (kelly) than:

a) a co worker who killed her old best friend because she had to
a mass murderer who clearly enjoyed her killings. ffs, IRL, what sane person would take a chance with someone like her?
c) female buckethead who seems to be a nice girl, but..... she's an alien. and she might die if we do the dirty.
d) an asari robot (samara is pretty much a robot with her code and all)

just being facetious though, especially about miranda. miranda's romance was ok, iirc.

although it could be weird with miranda, cuz you got sloppy seconds after jacob, it seems. does jacob ever mention anything about it if male shep hooks up with miranda? jacob just looks you over and is like "haha, i already been there, buddy."

[jeweledleah]

sloppy seconds, oh how I hate this expression... does everyone have to be virginal to be a valid choice, what people couldn't have had relationships before that just didn't work out? why is it sloppy seconds? /rant



on a topic, how long does it take for Kelli to mention dinner? do I have to ask her questions beyond: "is there anything I should know" even if I asked them a million times already?



I'm going with a friendly option, but I'm getting seriously tired running up to my cabin every single time I use mass relay and/or go on a planetside mission >_> (anything less results in dead fish, found that out the hard way :/)

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jeweledleah wrote...
on a topic, how long does it take for Kelli to mention dinner? do I have to ask her questions beyond: "is there anything I should know" even if I asked them a million times already?
I'm going with a friendly option, but I'm getting seriously tired running up to my cabin every single time I use mass relay and/or go on a planetside mission >_> (anything less results in dead fish, found that out the hard way :/)

I've never taken the friendship path, but I always had the dinner option with Kelly after Samara's recruitment, and I recruit Samara first thing after Horizion.
The dialogue option there is to tell Kelly that she's prettier than Samara, that you didn't hire her for her looks because the Normandy already has Kelly.
But that is a flirt option you might not take on a friend path.  The other time I've heard the dinner can be triggered is after the Collector Ship, so either way it should occur during the second round of recruitment.  It actually starts with Kelly saying she wishes there was time to get to know you better.

[shatteredstar56]

I just got to know her enough to feed my fish, then left her alone. We both got something we wanted (me being able to go watch the fish swim aimlessly, and her having friends in high places.) But it does seem to be that the designers of Mass Effect 2 wanted you to have the option to have a romance and be in a relationship. Or else they just wanted to have someone who would feed your fish, and put the rest in to see how far some people would go.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Crusade wrote...

Is it just me or was she just designed for people who want to keep there relation ship from me1. You can have some romance and it does not affect any relationship Shepard might have with someone.

More like she was just put there so that you didn't have to feed your fish after every FTL jump.

[jeweledleah]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
on a topic, how long does it take for Kelli to mention dinner? do I have to ask her questions beyond: "is there anything I should know" even if I asked them a million times already?
I'm going with a friendly option, but I'm getting seriously tired running up to my cabin every single time I use mass relay and/or go on a planetside mission >_> (anything less results in dead fish, found that out the hard way :/)

I've never taken the friendship path, but I always had the dinner option with Kelly after Samara's recruitment, and I recruit Samara first thing after Horizion.
The dialogue option there is to tell Kelly that she's prettier than Samara, that you didn't hire her for her looks because the Normandy already has Kelly.
But that is a flirt option you might not take on a friend path.  The other time I've heard the dinner can be triggered is after the Collector Ship, so either way it should occur during the second round of recruitment.  It actually starts with Kelly saying she wishes there was time to get to know you better.

huh...I don't think I've ever seen that options :/  maybe I just missed it?  in this particular playthrough, Samara and Zaeed are the only 2 characters that I haven't done loyalty missions for yet (I went with - lets move from left side of the map to right side of the map way this time:innocent: ) and while I did have the conversation about bad boys being atractive, right now, all I have is the basic 3 conversation options :/  I think I'm just going to let my fish die...again and forget about it.  come to think of it, I could never keep the fish alive in real life either, I don't know what it is...I tae care of mamals just fine, but fish stubbornly refuses to live :/

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jeweledleah wrote...
huh...I don't think I've ever seen that options :/  maybe I just missed it?  in this particular playthrough, Samara and Zaeed are the only 2 characters that I haven't done loyalty missions for yet (I went with - lets move from left side of the map to right side of the map way this time:innocent: ) and while I did have the conversation about bad boys being atractive, right now, all I have is the basic 3 conversation options :/  I think I'm just going to let my fish die...again and forget about it.  come to think of it, I could never keep the fish alive in real life either, I don't know what it is...I tae care of mamals just fine, but fish stubbornly refuses to live :/

I don't think you would have missed it.  My understanding of it is that Kelly operates on something of a "points system" where flirting with her and talking to her/being nice will make her like you more.  You may not have enough points with her for her to offer the dinner if you're strictly avoiding some of the flirt options.

But, as I said, I've never gone down the friendship path so I don't know for certain which responses can be combined.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

The dinner scene with Kelly was such a wasted opportunity for prime time character development for both Shep and Kelly.



Could have talked with her about Akuze or running with a gang back on earth. Maybe talk about past relationships like Ash or Liara. Talk about Kelly and get to know her better. Ask questions and such.



Such a waste. I really don't understand why Bioware doesn't think of these things.You didn't even have dinner in the ****ing game, it just fades to black! I can understand fading out sex scenes, but dinner? wtf?

[volus4life]

jeweledleah wrote...

sloppy seconds, oh how I hate this expression... does everyone have to be virginal to be a valid choice, what people couldn't have had relationships before that just didn't work out? why is it sloppy seconds? /rant

on a topic, how long does it take for Kelli to mention dinner? do I have to ask her questions beyond: "is there anything I should know" even if I asked them a million times already?

I'm going with a friendly option, but I'm getting seriously tired running up to my cabin every single time I use mass relay and/or go on a planetside mission >_> (anything less results in dead fish, found that out the hard way :/)

well, sloppy seconds isnt about the girl, it's about the guys, no one expects every girl to be a pristine virgin. but knowing she's had partners in the past, but then actually meeting one of them at a party or something, is two totally different things. it's two guys standing uncomfortably while wondering who was better in the sack, did she let him do this or that, etc.

i can just imagine shep and jacob looking at each other, sizing each other up, and jacob is thinking like "i'm black. i win.", and shep is thinking like "dammit, he's black."

Modifié par volus4life, 26 janvier 2011 - 08:09 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Unless Shep is black as well. lol.

[volus4life]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Unless Shep is black as well. lol.

oh yeah hahaha. was thinking of shepard you always see in ads.

if they're both black, then they do a brofist and are like "mmm, white women."

Modifié par volus4life, 26 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Dusty Everman wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I hate how you have to flirt with Kelly in order to get her to feed the fish.

You don't have to flirt with her to have her feed your fish.  You can just be friends with her too.  You just need to have dinner with her.

There are two paths with Yeoman Chambers: flirty and friendly.  When she says she knows you'd catch her, you have three responses:
1. I'd drop you:  Kelly will now be all business.  No friendship there.
2. I'd catch you:  You have started the friendship path with her.
3. I'd embrace you:  You have started the flirty path with her.

If you pick 3, the next time you talk to her she even double checks if you meant to be flirty.  She asks is she was too forward.  At that point you can basically say you didn't mean to give her the wrong impression, and move back to the friend path.

If you talk to her often and aren't rude to her, at some point she will say she'd like to get to know you better.  She has to be comfortable with you before she'd even mention such a thing.  You are her commanding officer after all.  At that point you can have dinner with her, on BOTH the friendly and flirty paths.  What happens during dinner if implied by you.  On the friendly path, obviously it was two friends enjoying conversation.  On the flirty path... well, you tell me.  What happened there is dependant on how your Shepard would approach things.

So if you have a friendship, you won't get flirt options, but she will confide in you her thoughts and feelings about people.  Once you have dinner with her, she now feel comfortable enough to suggest entering your private quarters to feed your fish.

And even if you are on the flirty path and have dinner with her, that doesn't necessarily imply you were physical with her.

Wow! Thanks for that, Dusty. Very informative post.

So basically, as long as I stick with "I'd catch you", I should be fine?

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 26 janvier 2011 - 08:17 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

volus4life wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Unless Shep is black as well. lol.

oh yeah hahaha. was thinking of shepard you always see in ads.

if they're both black, then they do a brofist and are like "mmm, white women."

Gangsta.

[jeweledleah]

volus4life wrote...

well, sloppy seconds isnt about the girl, it's about the guys, no one expects every girl to be a pristine virgin. but knowing she's had partners in the past, but then actually meeting one of them at a party or something, is two totally different things. it's two guys standing uncomfortably while wondering who was better in the sack, did she let him do this or that, etc.

i can just imagine shep and jacob looking at each other, sizing each other up, and jacob is thinking like "i'm black. i win.", and shep is thinking like "dammit, he's black."

Men are so weird.. I don't get the whole insecurity thing, after all, she's not with that guy anymore, she's with you so there has got to be a reason why she made that choice, right?  And its not like Miranda talks about how Jacob used to do this or that.  why does it even matter?  honestly, you'd think that current guy would feel smug, rather then insecure :/

looks like I missed my fish train   oh well.

P.S. yeah, having the dinner scene with Kelly ala drinks scene with Dr. Chakwas would have been great

Modifié par jeweledleah, 26 janvier 2011 - 08:37 .

[swirlwind]

Huh. Most of my characters have always been friendly towards Kelly, but only the one who actually flirted with her got the fish-feeding offer. I think it comes down to the hugging bit after the Collector ship quest. I always thought the hug was a flirty thing to do, because that's the way Shep says the line, and I didn't want to give the wrong impression.



My biggest issue with actually flirting with Kelly is the fact that no matter how nice she is, she's Cerberus. Especially at the beginning, say, before Horizon, all of my Shepards are so suspicious about Cerberus' motives that being overly friendly with the Cerberus staff just doesn't seem like a good idea. I can't seem to be able to roleplay a Shepard who would be able to trust Kelly from the start.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

jeweledleah wrote...

volus4life wrote...

well, sloppy seconds isnt about the girl, it's about the guys, no one expects every girl to be a pristine virgin. but knowing she's had partners in the past, but then actually meeting one of them at a party or something, is two totally different things. it's two guys standing uncomfortably while wondering who was better in the sack, did she let him do this or that, etc.

i can just imagine shep and jacob looking at each other, sizing each other up, and jacob is thinking like "i'm black. i win.", and shep is thinking like "dammit, he's black."

Men are so weird.. I don't get the whole insecurity thing, after all, she's not with that guy anymore, she's with you so there has got to be a reason why she made that choice, right?  And its not like Miranda talks about how Jacob used to do this or that.  why does it even matter?  honestly, you'd think that current guy would feel smug, rather then insecure :/

looks like I missed my fish train   oh well.

P.S. yeah, having the dinner scene with Kelly ala drinks scene with Dr. Chakwas would have been great

Who needs character development in a RPG, anyway. Pffttt... certainly not Bioware.