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[2kgnsiika]

1) The Reapers could not have had knowledge about the Prothean base on Mars. Humans found a functioning mass effect core, six mass effect spaceships and data caches that would have been destroyed if the Reapers knew of their existance.



2) If the Reapers did not know about the Prothean base on Mars, they most likely had no knowledge about humans either.



3) Therefore, there is no evidence that the Reapers would have spared humanity, had they known of our existence prior to the 22nd century.

[Iwillbeback]

2kgnsiika wrote...

1) The Reapers could not have had knowledge about the Prothean base on Mars. Humans found a functioning mass effect core, six mass effect spaceships and data caches that would have been destroyed if the Reapers knew of their existance.

2) If the Reapers did not know about the Prothean base on Mars, they most likely had no knowledge about humans either.

3) Therefore, there is no evidence that the Reapers would have spared humanity, had they known of our existence prior to the 22nd century.

The reapers most likely left them there for humans to find.
That is their plan  because instead of using their technology we could make superior ways of travel and weapons.

I dont think they wiped us out because the protheans didn't have a colony on mars.

[vanslyke85]

2kgnsiika wrote...

1) The Reapers could not have had knowledge about the Prothean base on Mars. Humans found a functioning mass effect core, six mass effect spaceships and data caches that would have been destroyed if the Reapers knew of their existance.

2) If the Reapers did not know about the Prothean base on Mars, they most likely had no knowledge about humans either.

3) Therefore, there is no evidence that the Reapers would have spared humanity, had they known of our existence prior to the 22nd century.

Thats really interesting...hmmm.  I feel like they left them there so that they would know when the humans became advanced enough and began using Reaper tech (Mass Relays and such).  As people have mentioned it's plausible that that's how the Reapers (or Soverign as a sentinel of sorts) keep tabs on the advanced species throughout the galaxy. 

[2kgnsiika]

Iwillbeback wrote...

2kgnsiika wrote...

1) The Reapers could not have had knowledge about the Prothean base on Mars. Humans found a functioning mass effect core, six mass effect spaceships and data caches that would have been destroyed if the Reapers knew of their existance.

2) If the Reapers did not know about the Prothean base on Mars, they most likely had no knowledge about humans either.

3) Therefore, there is no evidence that the Reapers would have spared humanity, had they known of our existence prior to the 22nd century.

The reapers most likely left them there for humans to find.
That is their plan  because instead of using their technology we could make superior ways of travel and weapons.

I dont think they wiped us out because the protheans didn't have a colony on mars.

1) It was certainly a base used by the Protheans. On Eletania, Shepard can access the memories of a Cro-Magnon hunter through a Prothean artifact, proving that the Protheans actively observed humans and used Mars as a base.

2) The Reapers pick species for "ascension" based on their genetic traits. Humans have not evolved too much in the last 50,000 years, so if the Reapers knew about humans then, they would have either reaped us or destroyed us.

[2kgnsiika]

vanslyke85 wrote...
Thats really interesting...hmmm.  I feel like they left them there so that they would know when the humans became advanced enough and began using Reaper tech (Mass Relays and such).  As people have mentioned it's plausible that that's how the Reapers (or Soverign as a sentinel of sorts) keep tabs on the advanced species throughout the galaxy. 

My point applies here as well. If they had known about humans 48,000 B.C., they would have known enough in order to determine whether we were suitable for reaperhood. There's no reason for them to wait for us to become "advanced," because they choose species based on their genes, not level of technology.

[ZachForrest]

2kgnsiika wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...
Thats really interesting...hmmm.  I feel like they left them there so that they would know when the humans became advanced enough and began using Reaper tech (Mass Relays and such).  As people have mentioned it's plausible that that's how the Reapers (or Soverign as a sentinel of sorts) keep tabs on the advanced species throughout the galaxy. 

My point applies here as well. If they had known about humans 48,000 B.C., they would have known enough in order to determine whether we were suitable for reaperhood. There's no reason for them to wait for us to become "advanced," because they choose species based on their genes, not level of technology.

I'd guess they wait for us to advance to space-faring stage cause presumably its accompanied by a huge population explosion. (If they do actually need loads of beings to blend). Just guessing 'ere.

[Village_Idiot]

Bluko wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Ugh. They don't wake up every 50,000 years like clockwork. Their vanguard (previously Sovereign) would periodically wake up, scan the relay network for signs of activity, and then return to hibernation if it detected nothing. If it did discover activity, it would assess the progress of the civilization(s) using the network and then signal the Citadel.

That's the whole reason for leaving one of their number behind. If they only wanted to kill everything every 50,000 years, they'd all retreat to dark space and then swoop in unannounced.

Exactly.

I think it's assumed on average they come about every 50,000 years since once they clean the galaxy out of space faring species, it takes about that long for new species to arrive and develop. Although not always. I'm guessing there were times they had to come back just after a few thousand years. But then I'm guessing there times were they also had t wait more like 100,000 years before there was anything to Reap.

I believe Sovereign checked in on things every few centuries. Obviously the Asari and Salarians were advanced enough to warrant Reaping, but when the Keepers didn't obey Sovereign he had to find means to manually to get to the Citadel. So Sovereign corrupted the Rachni to attack the Council species. Of course the arrival of the Krogan foiled that effort.

Not sure what Sovereign planned to do after. Since he waited a long time to contact the Geth even.

It is interesting to wonder if the Reapers had come earlier, would our human ingeniuty have let us advance fast enough to beat the Reapers? Probably not since the Reapers seem confident enough to wait long periods of time. And or they would have noticed us and got the jump on us. Which is exactly why I think it's impossible to defeat them by military means. We aren't much of a threat to them given that they could care less if we advance a couple hundred years in terms of technology.

Also while there is lot of suggestion in Mass Effect that humans adapt very fast, I think a lot of our advancement is only due to the fact we got advanced technology to play around with from the other species. Otherwise I'm guessing we would be progressing a lot slower.

Don't forget that the Rachni War was also almost certainly caused by Reaper interference, most likely Sovereign though I'm sure there are other theories. That was 1000 years prior to the events of ME. This certainly seems to indicate that the Reapers are "active" inbetween each cycle.

[Rivercurse]

Q to ppl in the know, what stage of development was Earth even at 50,000 years ago?

[ZachForrest]

Rivercurse wrote...

Q to ppl in the know, what stage of development was Earth even at 50,000 years ago?

Humans started to develop some semblance of culture and act in ways we modern humans would recognise.

The continents were basically in place, and the Earth was subject to frequent ice ages. Although the same climates we experience now were present in the right places for the most part.


edit: not that i'm in the know.

Modifié par ZachForrest, 25 janvier 2011 - 07:55 .

[Lebrine]

The ruins/base on mars was prothean, same as the relay in our system was totally encased in ice.

The protheans if i remember right had been watching us and playing with our genes around the same time the reapers wiped the protheans out, I personally think that it will turn out that the protheans froze our relay so that the reapers cant find us, or find out what the protheans had been doing to us.

Also, I am pretty sure there is nothing good abou the reapers. They wipe entire civilisations that are no benefit to them, that doesnt seem to good to me

[Last Vizard]

Didn't they find fishing hooks made out of bone or stone in caves on the coast of Africa that dated back 120,000 years ago? and it completely changed how we thought about our race's age and the whole missing link monster?

Glacial period ended not long ago, 10,000-20,000 years ago... they happen every 40,000-100,000 years. True Ice ages are many hundreds of millions of years apart however the eruption of volcanoes over the life time of Earth has caused us to move on to glacial periods and longer gaps between ture ice ages due to the thicker atmosphere and add to that the CO2 that was trapped in ice caps being released due to volcaneos heating up the atmosphere compounding this "heating up"....

in short the debate about Humans being the bad guys (load of bull) even though a meteor can just fall out of the sky every 65 million years and kill 90% of the Earths bio-mass.... and the fact that the last one was 65 million years ago and the "bad guys" might be able to use technology to stop the next one and thus saving whatever could survive in our world.... Darwins law (us being the fittest animals) has to be a whole lot better than 90% being wiped out....

Plus it wont be long untill we can harness the clean and efficient power of the sun (Fusion) and leave the green hippies with no excuses on why they don't have a job becuase the "machine" is bad for the Earth, oh and how does "it comes from the ground so its ok to smoke it" become a tell for when something is okay, are they disreguarding poisonous plants or smoking them too?

In short, Reaper only reap those races who use the Relays and make their way to the Citadel (which they always do).

Modifié par Last Vizard, 25 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[2kgnsiika]

Lebrine wrote...

I personally think that it will turn out that the protheans froze our relay so that the reapers cant find us, or find out what the protheans had been doing to us.

Interesting theory. Maybe it's even possible that the Protheans who froze the Charon Relay came to live on Earth but thought they were too few in number to keep procreating...

[StarGateGod]

the entire theory about reapers only kiling space faring species is a lie, i rmember in ME1 thee is a planet in which a avain species in its bronze age was bombarded from space, why? they werent spacefaring

[Vaenier]

StarGateGod wrote...

the entire theory about reapers only kiling space faring species is a lie, i rmember in ME1 thee is a planet in which a avain species in its bronze age was bombarded from space, why? they werent spacefaring

Who says the Reapers did it? Its not like Reapers are the only ones with space ships and mass accelerator weapons. Plenty of races would do it for the lols.

[vanslyke85]

Vaenier wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

the entire theory about reapers only kiling space faring species is a lie, i rmember in ME1 thee is a planet in which a avain species in its bronze age was bombarded from space, why? they werent spacefaring

Who says the Reapers did it? Its not like Reapers are the only ones with space ships and mass accelerator weapons. Plenty of races would do it for the lols.

It's definitely open for debate.  IMO it was the Reapers and they deemed the planets species were progressing down the same path as their original creaters/state of being.

[Fromyou]

Reapers get knowledge of planets who have used the mass relays from the citidel, so Earth wasn't there yet. I don't even think we discovered fire yet

[Sinapus]

I guess I'll have to play ME2 again, but I don't recall in that game where they said it was an exactly 50k year cycle, but in ME1 the story was just that the Protheans vanished 50k years ago and Liara was finding hints that it'd happened again and again long before that but with little evidence so she didn't have a timeline.

[EternalPink]

One of the factors could also be the amount of organic life about, its only recently that we've had a population in the billions on earth and as we go back that number dwindles rapidly.



The collectors wanted to harvest hundreds of thousands just to make one reaper, to go to the effort of invading a galaxy and so on, they'd have to wait long enough for the organic population to grow and spread to numerous planets since we hear that over population of one world almost wiped out the drell.

[didymos1120]

Rivercurse wrote...

Q to ppl in the know, what stage of development was Earth even at 50,000 years ago?

Upper Paleolithic.

[didymos1120]

Sinapus wrote...

I guess I'll have to play ME2 again, but I don't recall in that game where they said it was an exactly 50k year cycle, but in ME1 the story was just that the Protheans vanished 50k years ago and Liara was finding hints that it'd happened again and again long before that but with little evidence so she didn't have a timeline.

The Genesis recap comic on the PS3 explicitly says "every fifty thousand years", but then it says lots of things, few of them right.

[Sinapus]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

I guess I'll have to play ME2 again, but I don't recall in that game where they said it was an exactly 50k year cycle, but in ME1 the story was just that the Protheans vanished 50k years ago and Liara was finding hints that it'd happened again and again long before that but with little evidence so she didn't have a timeline.

The Genesis recap comic on the PS3 explicitly says "every fifty thousand years", but then it says lots of things, few of them right.

Ah. I don't have that, so like the Turian councillor I have dismissed *air-quotes* that claim.

[Chuvvy]

We were still nomadic tribes back then with no real technology out side of point sticks and cutting/smashing tools. At least I think I'm not up to date on my early human "civilization". Actually I think that's a qualifier for the reapers, whether or not civilization is in quotes.

[2kgnsiika]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

I guess I'll have to play ME2 again, but I don't recall in that game where they said it was an exactly 50k year cycle, but in ME1 the story was just that the Protheans vanished 50k years ago and Liara was finding hints that it'd happened again and again long before that but with little evidence so she didn't have a timeline.

The Genesis recap comic on the PS3 explicitly says "every fifty thousand years", but then it says lots of things, few of them right.

ME: Genesis is also from an in-universe perspective, narrated by a character, who is completely fallible.

[adam_grif]

I'm pretty sure humans (along with Earth) didn't exist then (ie. during their last cycle of extinction) and the same goes for the other races. Humans, Turians, Asari etc. came to be after the Protheans were wiped out and god knows how many others races before that.

The Earth is ~6 billion years old, and modern humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years.

[didymos1120]

2kgnsiika wrote...

ME: Genesis is also from an in-universe perspective, narrated by a character, who is completely fallible.

But one who should know better.  You can rationalize the errors if you want, but they're still there and this "unreliable narrator" notion goes against the whole point of it in the first place: filling people in on ME1's story.  The actual story.