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[Bourne Endeavor]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Because they're alien and alien love interests get judged differently than human ones. Garrus literally complains through both games yet he's so interesting but Kaidan and Jacob have come to grips with their stuff and they're boring and Emo and whiners. it's mostly the Alien thing at leas thow I see it.

I have romanced Jacob and with the correct choices have managed to avoid Hussyshep, as Chez so eloquently put it. (Yes it is possible!) Of course, there is no preventing that atrocity of a romance scene that makes you appreciate Hale as a VA more for not laughing through the entirety of it. Nevertheless, it is a hassle and may step outside the roleplaying restrictions for Shep to not figuratively hump Jacob's leg.

There is a difference with Garrus though. He complains or wallows only if pressed and has no qualms staying quiet if you tell him to bugger off. This is true of Kaidan and Jacob but when held in comparison on other aspects. Garrus' renegade persona is usually favored. Granted, on this forum. Kaidan is widely loved and I honestly believe if Jacob was not a walking meme. He would not be kicked to the curb so readily.

I do like Jacob myself. Less so if I play Femshep however.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 25 janvier 2011 - 07:26 .

[1490]

leonia42 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

1490 wrote...

Even though I'm a guy, I thought femshep/Kaiden was the best relationship in ME 1.  I liked it because I thought both participants were standing on pretty equal levels.  Ash seemed too aggressive sometimes, and Liara too shy and submissive (though changed  A LOT in ME 2).  I really find the concept of a male and female of equal strength that compliment each other the most attractive type of relationship.  This is how I saw the femshep/Garrus relationship as well, though I thought it was way too short.

I like this human, he understands!

+1

I think that is one of the attractive things about the relationship between FemShep and Garrus. In ME1 the relationship is more of "mentor and student" but it evolves into being something a bit more equal later on in ME2.  Not just equal as soldiers/squaddies but equal despite their species, gender, and upbringing.  Garrus essentially becomes another leader-type character (and if Miranda wasn't around would likely have become second-in-command) by trying to follow in Shepard's footsteps. I hope he really gets a chance in ME3 to show off his potential and hopefully some his self-confidence will return, regardless if he is in an intimate relationship with Shepard or not.

Right, another thing that makes femshep/Garrus  a great pairing is that they are in very similar places.  Both are strong, confident people that have been placed into leadership roles where people depend on them.  Both have experienced loss of team members (Shep's background and Garrus' team on Omega) under their command, both have been physically scarred by their ordeals.  You get the feeling with femshep/Garrus that theyre aren't a lot of people out there that would really do well for them, so that they match up through their hardships makes the relationship very touching.

....and come on Bioware, Garrus only has so many calibrations to do! I really wanted to hear more dialogue from that romance

[1490]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I have romanced Jacob and with the correct choices have managed to avoid Hussyshep, as Chez so eloquently put it. (Yes it is possible!) Of course, there is no preventing that atrocity of a romance scene that makes you appreciate Hale as a VA more for not laughing through the entirety of it. Nevertheless, it is a hassle and may step outside the roleplaying restrictions for Shep to not figuratively hump Jacob's leg.

There is a difference with Garrus though. He complains or wallows only if pressed and has no qualms staying quiet if you tell him to bugger off. This is true of Kaidan and Jacob but when held in comparison on other aspects. Garrus' renegade persona is usually favored. Granted, on this forum. Kaidan is widely loved and I honestly believe if Jacob was not a walking meme. He would not be kicked to the curb so readily.

I do like Jacob myself. Less so if I play Femshep however.

Indeed, he's not an unlikeable guy.  I thought he was a great "bro" companion to male shep, and femshep too if you don't romance him.  But that's just it: you don't want to romance him, lol.  

There was another piece of dialogue that really pissed a lot of female players off.  After Jacob's loyalty mission, he speaks of his prior relationship with Miranda, saying "she deserves a better man than I."  I think this was written for manshep, meaning Jacob was giving his blessing for Shep to court Miranda.  However, when said to a female Shep, it implies that Jacob doesn't consider himself good enough for Miranda, but femshep will do, lol

[Leonia]

Oh yes, I was going to mention the physical scars but thought that would sound sort of superficial "Like, they even look alike you guys!"

Garrus works so well as a companion to Shepard, whether he is romanced or not. And the bit where he says he doesn't think he's a good turian.. well, maybe that's because he is too human-like? Which is sort of ironic since Shepeard is often compared to Saren, a turian.

Modifié par leonia42, 25 janvier 2011 - 07:33 .

[1490]

leonia42 wrote...

Oh yes, I was going to mention the physical scars but thought that would sound sort of superficial "Like, they even look alike you guys!"

Garrus works so well as a companion to Shepard, whether he is romanced or not. And the bit where he says he doesn't think he's a good turian.. well, maybe that's because he is too human-like? Which is sort of ironic since Shepeard is often compared to Saren, a turian.

I think it's a valid observation, and it's more metaphorical than anything.  Garrus doesn't seem bothered at all by his scars, and makes fun of it, nor does Shepard ever mention hers.  The real scars are inside, and much more damaging: the physical ones are just an indicator.

Another thing I really like about Garrus is he has incredible respect for Shepard, something I also think is shared in the Tali romance.  In real life, it seems like most guys I've met don't really respect their girlfriends/wives like they would respect their brother or their best friend, so I find that really refreshing in Mass Effect.

[Sketchy77]

Maybe girls like turians because they are...extraterrestrial-sexual

Next thing girls will be like....I think Legion is so sexy!  I think i might be cyborg-sexual!!!!

I see my self as normal.....I think Miranda is Hot!  Jack is like mediocre....I hate her hair...or lack thereof.
If i had the option to be a ******-sexual (i'm not in RL btw) I'd get it on with Mordin.....Just to see if he shuts up for the time being

Modifié par Sketchy77, 25 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .

[EnchantedEyes1]

When I picked up ME2 this last week I was a little concerned about playing as FemShep because the LI choices didn't seem interesting to me. I was sure I would not be attracted to an alien. Jacob and *maybe* Thane seemed like the type of guys I might gravitate towards.

Then I met Garrus...*that voice*...his personality... and yes the cheek bones and the eyes. I don't know why but he makes my FemShep feel protected. Maybe a bit of knight in shining armor? He actually made me start seeing other Turians as attractive, lol. I just can't get enough of him and I was so mad when my game froze and corrupted my save file after I had just started romancing him. Bah!

So now I have started all over again and I'm in agony waiting for his loyalty mission to come up so we can flirt. Boy, do I have it bad... Darn you BioWare...

Modifié par EnchantedEyes1, 25 janvier 2011 - 08:06 .

[1490]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

When I picked up ME2 this last week I was a little concerned about playing as FemShep because the LI choices didn't seem interesting to me. I was sure I would not be attracted to an alien. Jacob and *maybe* Thane seemed like the type of guys I might gravitate towards.

Then I met Garrus...*that voice*...his personality... and yes the cheek bones and the eyes. I don't know why but he makes my FemShep feel protected. Maybe a bit of knight in shining armor? He actually made me start seeing other Turians as attractive, lol. I just can't get enough of him and I was so mad when my game froze and corrupted my save file after I had just started romancing him. Bah!

So now I have started all over again and I'm in agony waiting for his loyalty mission to come up so we can flirt. Boy, do I have it bad... Darn you BioWare...

Regardless of how people will complain about them, Bioware does way better on the romances than most other games.  A lot of people have taken to calling Garrus "Turian Batman" because of his good-but-though personality and vigilante actions.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

All I know is... Garrus is my favorite character (aside from Ashley) ... he tells it like it is and (doesn't afraid of anything... ) isn't afraid to do what it takes to take out the bad guys... ie Omega. A true friend that's loyal as hell.



Hell, I'm a guy, and I even romanced him once as FemShep. lol

[Sherbet Lemon]

I think it's the voice to be honest. Garrus's personality combined with that voice is appealing I suppose. I don't know, Garrus is my female Shep's best friend along with Kasumi and Tali in ME2. #kanyeshrug#



That being said as a female, I prefer the Liara romance and if Ashley or Miranda were romanceable for a female Shepard, I'd say that a few of my female Shepards would have chosen one of them as a romance. And yes, I am a girl.

[Serpentine 78]

  Well then, I need to find these women.  I happen to look JUST like a Turian!

[1490]

Village Idiot wrote...

I think it's the voice to be honest. Garrus's personality combined with that voice is appealing I suppose. I don't know, Garrus is my female Shep's best friend along with Kasumi and Tali in ME2. #kanyeshrug#

That being said as a female, I prefer the Liara romance and if Ashley or Miranda were romanceable for a female Shepard, I'd say that a few of my female Shepards would have chosen one of them as a romance. And yes, I am a girl.

Hey, nothing wrong with that. As I said before, I am a straight guy, but I prefer the femshep/Kaiden romance in ME1, as well as the Garrus/femshep romance in ME 2 over the other male ones with the exception of Tali's (and possibly LIara's now that LotSB is out).

[Lotion Soronarr]

FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

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somewhat related:
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[1490]

Haha, those are some good ones. The bottom one I've actually seen before on deviantart.

[Kidd]

Wall of text incoming =D



To me I guess it has a lot to do with how I find people attractive in the first place. Sure, I have physical preferences as much as most people, but they're not awfully important. Some of the people I've found insanely attractive have not really been lookers at all. How they act is far more important than how they look. Heck, if I were to grade how highly I value different things that are of shallow natures, I'd put both voice (Garrus ) and smell above looks xD. And since I can't smell things in-game, nobody can stand out in that way as particularly attractive or unattractive.

There's no doubt in my mind that if I were to meet Garrus for real, he'd totally be able to woo me. He's extremely attractive, from that confidence he exudes, to the doubts, to his thirst for vengeance out of his love for his friends, and all the way to the clumsy nervousity he displays when Shepard hits on him.

And let's face it, it's not like turians look disgusting by any means. Alien, yes. Might not be physically attractive, but they're not disturbing to look at either. I find it easier to be confident in fantasies regarding turians that are just neutral in how I look at them, than I am with drell that are both attractive in the human kind of sense but also... not quite human. Thane feels less human looking than Garrus in many ways simply because he is closer to one. Does that make sense?

(no, it does not, cause I love the asari XD)



I also have this thing, well I guess I had it more when I was a kid, but it's like... I've always loved playing with the fantasy where I date an alien or a very life-like robot. People shunned by society even though they're absolutely great people, just judged for the wrong things. I'd love to be there for them. Suppose that plays into it, too.



As for why I don't like Jacob much, it's pretty simple really. It has nothing to do with looks for sure, since I prefer black men and find him very aesthetically pleasing and exotic looking (we don't have a lot of black people in Sweden so sue me ^^). It also has very little to do with HussyShep I think, since I imagine I'd sound just like her in the same situation =D

To me it's all about the line the game gives you that's basically not even in-character, but the game telling you "you can't progress talking to this character further as of now". Whereas Miranda tells you she's busy, Garrus says he's busy, Thane says he's still letting what you two talked about last time sink in (so a little bit freaky perhaps, but his memories work very differently from mine and it's not downright offensive)... and Jacob says he doesn't wanna talk to me?

The others -can't- talk to me. He -won't- talk to me. Yeah, down the garbage bin you go. Talking to me isn't supposed to make you feel we're "forcing talks", or something's just wrong with our chemistry, mister. And you're certainly not attractive enough for me to allow you to treat me that way. I know I should pretty much pretend this line of dialogue doesn't really exist, but I'm sorry, I can't. Ruins the entire thing for me =/

[Urazz]

Schneidend wrote...

Salarians don't have sex drives the way the other races do. I'd imagine that's why they don't see much racey fan art.

I dunno, Mordin is basically like the James Bond of Salarians pretty much.

[Captain Crash]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

To me I guess it has a lot to do with how I find people attractive in the first place. Sure, I have physical preferences as much as most people, but they're not awfully important. Some of the people I've found insanely attractive have not really been lookers at all. How they act is far more important than how they look. Heck, if I were to grade how highly I value different things that are of shallow natures, I'd put both voice (Garrus
There's no doubt in my mind that if I were to meet Garrus for real, he'd totally be able to woo me. He's extremely attractive, from that confidence he exudes, to the doubts, to his thirst for vengeance out of his love for his friends, and all the way to the clumsy nervousity he displays when Shepard hits on him.

And let's face it, it's not like turians look disgusting by any means. Alien, yes. Might not be physically attractive, but they're not disturbing to look at either. I find it easier to be confident in fantasies regarding turians that are just neutral in how I look at them, than I am with drell that are both attractive in the human kind of sense but also... not quite human. Thane feels less human looking than Garrus in many ways simply because he is closer to one. Does that make sense?

Really well written,  I think you hit the nail on the head with that.   You built up a relationship with Garrus over two games and the story worked well where could carry on being great friends or naturally evolve that friendship to something more if desired.    

Being attractive is in the eye of the beholder and takes in personality as well as looks. 

[volus4life]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Wall of text incoming =D

To me I guess it has a lot to do with how I find people attractive in the first place. Sure, I have physical preferences as much as most people, but they're not awfully important. Some of the people I've found insanely attractive have not really been lookers at all. How they act is far more important than how they look. Heck, if I were to grade how highly I value different things that are of shallow natures, I'd put both voice (Garrus
There's no doubt in my mind that if I were to meet Garrus for real, he'd totally be able to woo me. He's extremely attractive, from that confidence he exudes, to the doubts, to his thirst for vengeance out of his love for his friends, and all the way to the clumsy nervousity he displays when Shepard hits on him.
And let's face it, it's not like turians look disgusting by any means. Alien, yes. Might not be physically attractive, but they're not disturbing to look at either. I find it easier to be confident in fantasies regarding turians that are just neutral in how I look at them, than I am with drell that are both attractive in the human kind of sense but also... not quite human. Thane feels less human looking than Garrus in many ways simply because he is closer to one. Does that make sense?
(no, it does not, cause I love the asari XD)

I also have this thing, well I guess I had it more when I was a kid, but it's like... I've always loved playing with the fantasy where I date an alien or a very life-like robot. People shunned by society even though they're absolutely great people, just judged for the wrong things. I'd love to be there for them. Suppose that plays into it, too.

As for why I don't like Jacob much, it's pretty simple really. It has nothing to do with looks for sure, since I prefer black men and find him very aesthetically pleasing and exotic looking (we don't have a lot of black people in Sweden so sue me ^^). It also has very little to do with HussyShep I think, since I imagine I'd sound just like her in the same situation =D
To me it's all about the line the game gives you that's basically not even in-character, but the game telling you "you can't progress talking to this character further as of now". Whereas Miranda tells you she's busy, Garrus says he's busy, Thane says he's still letting what you two talked about last time sink in (so a little bit freaky perhaps, but his memories work very differently from mine and it's not downright offensive)... and Jacob says he doesn't wanna talk to me?
The others -can't- talk to me. He -won't- talk to me. Yeah, down the garbage bin you go. Talking to me isn't supposed to make you feel we're "forcing talks", or something's just wrong with our chemistry, mister. And you're certainly not attractive enough for me to allow you to treat me that way. I know I should pretty much pretend this line of dialogue doesn't really exist, but I'm sorry, I can't. Ruins the entire thing for me =/

i feel like i'm looking at an entry in the ME2 codex.

[Kidd]

Is... that a bad thing? ^^;

[volus4life]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Is... that a bad thing? ^^;

honestly, if femshep dumps jacob and romances garrus, there should be a new codex entry unlocked with all those paragraphs, lol.

[Sable Phoenix]

There was a study done a while ago (and I wish I could find it) that revealed that the primary physical characteristic of sexual attractiveness for a woman was her hair, and for a man was his voice.  To illustrate, they said "Imagine the most attractive woman you've ever seen.  Now imagine her with her head shaved."  By the same token, they said "Imagine the most attractive man you've ever seen.  Now imagine him with a high, squeaky falsetto."  Both images induce laughter at best, repulsion at worst, definitely not attraction.  By the same token, look at male sex symbols such as Sean Connery or Patrick Stewart, who are elderly and probably not what one might consider physically imposing, but their charisma and especially their voices make them incredibly magnetic.

With that in mind... turian voices are awesome.  Garrus as a character has the charisma thing down to a T, and most of the turians you come across seem to exude a kind of quiet, steady confidence of the "don't screw with me" vibe, probably because every one of them has been through military training.  Brandon Keener's voice is hot just on its own, and with the added turian flange to it, that makes it even hotter.  Attraction to turians is no big mystery.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[lawp79]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

There was a study done a while ago (and I wish I could find it) that revealed that the primary physical characteristic of sexual attractiveness for a woman was her hair, and for a man was his voice.  To illustrate, they said "Imagine the most attractive woman you've ever seen.  Now imagine her with her head shaved."  By the same token, they said "Imagine the most attractive man you've ever seen.  Now imagine him with a high, squeaky falsetto."  Both images induce laughter at best, repulsion at worst, definitely not attraction.  By the same token, look at male sex symbols such as Sean Connery or Patrick Stewart, who are elderly and probably not what one might consider physically imposing, but their charisma and especially their voices make them incredibly magnetic.

With that in mind... turian voices are awesome.  Garrus as a character has the charisma thing down to a T, and most of the turians you come across seem to exude a kind of quiet, steady confidence of the "don't screw with me" vibe, probably because every one of them has been through military training.  Brandon Keener's voice is hot just on its own, and with the added turian flange to it, that makes it even hotter.  Attraction to turians is no big mystery.

Voice eh? In that case Admiral Hackett should be the sexiest guy in the galaxy (his voice is wonderful).

[Mims]

I love Garrus as a character, and I feel he compliments my Shepard in a way none of the others do. I felt no interest what-so-ever in Kaidan. [Not that he was a terrible character.] Thane and Jacob are both fine, but neither was really a fit like Garrus was. I'm not attracted to turians, but I am attracted to strong, dependable men.



Plus, I think his inherit cynicism is important to keep my crazy paragon Shepard in check. I honestly don't think anyone besides Garrus would ever be able to tolerate her for long. Romancing Shepard is a dangerous undertaking.

[Blze001]

Alright, I'm a guy and I don't think guys voices are "sexy", per se... but Garrus and other turians do have awesome voices. Although the award for coolest turian voice has to be the presidium grounds keeper or Lilihierax on Noveria.

[Kidd]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

There was a study done a while ago (and I wish I could find it) that revealed that the primary physical characteristic of sexual attractiveness for a woman was her hair, and for a man was his voice.  To illustrate, they said "Imagine the most attractive woman you've ever seen.  Now imagine her with her head shaved."  By the same token, they said "Imagine the most attractive man you've ever seen.  Now imagine him with a high, squeaky falsetto."  Both images induce laughter at best, repulsion at worst, definitely not attraction.  By the same token, look at male sex symbols such as Sean Connery or Patrick Stewart, who are elderly and probably not what one might consider physically imposing, but their charisma and especially their voices make them incredibly magnetic.

The voice part makes a great deal of sense, but I dunno about the hair part with women. Or perhaps I'm just weird for finding several shaved girls attractive, I dunno. One of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen had no hair on her hair, yet she wasn't making some statement by wearing the stereotypical clothes - rather her personal style was quite girly and somehow it all fit together very nicely.

But eh, I guess that study is just for people in general, doesn't go for everyone =)