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[Augustei]

I mean seriously she kills all the epic stuff leading up to the final battle.. Her speech most likely killed morale something fierce. The speech right before the final battle made me and most likely the other soldiers go from "We might win this" to "F#*k we are all gonna die"

If a Monarch cant give epic speeches why would people fight by their side. Even her very brief adressing to the landsmeet when she becomes queen would make me doubt my descision to suport her. Alistair's speech on the other hand before the final battle is awesome and a good morale booster. Making you think "Damn this is epic, We can do this! Hell yeah!"

Plus if she was truly a great queen and would be better then Alistair.. Then why the hell am I needed to get her on her own damn throne. Why am I needed to unify the nobility to fight the blight? If she is really a good queen then why the hell is half the country devistated by the blight?

Why Is there acts of Slavery being commited in the alienage which she doesn't even know about? Shes a terrible queen.

[Cutlass Jack]

I'm guessing she didn't get along with you very well. She gave a great speech before the final battle for me. Equaly to Alistairs really. And Alistair needed your help to get the throne too, so not really a point in his favor. His speech at the landmeet was truly horrid (if not hardened)

Anora also gave one very nice eulogy at my funeral. But we got along famously.

My wife meanwhile got betrayed and annoyed by Anora at every turn. It was like we were discussing two different characters.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:42 .

[Eber]

I think you overestimate the importance of epic speeches. And while I agree Anora's screaming voice was not the most pleasant I think her normal speeches were on par with Alistair's. In the case of the funeral I think her performance is superior.



The nobility needs to be united because they are an unruly bunch that will take any opportunity to push their own agendas. The reason you are needed to put the conflict to rest is that you are the one causing it. If it wasn't for you reviving Eamon and pushing Alistair towards the throne Loghain would have united the land on his own in Anora's name and with her aid. If you had not given the nobles an alternative they would have had no other choice than to back the Mac Tir's who presumably would not have fallen out.



As to the blight devastating the land has there ever been a blight that did not do just that?

[Zjarcal]

This reminds of myself 10 months ago... 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 janvier 2011 - 07:06 .

[Lenimph]

Anora is a two sided b*tch.  
That being said she's absolutely perfect to sit on the throne. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 25 janvier 2011 - 08:55 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Uuuhh...since when is giving an epic speech the sign of fitness to rule?

[HolyAvenger]

Two-faced backstabbing little witch.



I'm either kicking her to the curb or putting Alistair on the throne to temper her in all my playthroughs. She does NOT get to rule alone.

[CalJones]

Anora is a tough cookie, but you need to be to run a country. She is widely ackknowledged to be a popular queen with the Fereldans, and is respected by the nobles and foreing dignitaries. In short, she has been doing a good job, so it pisses me off that Eamon would want to remove her for the sake of tradition - replacing her with an inexperienced bastard king who doesn't even want the job. I'm not surprised Anora feels the need to be ruthless. Frankly, if I could put a pillow over the bearded twit's face and side with Anora, I would. Yes her speech is a little screechy, but, y'know, you can hit Esc or go and make a cuppa while it's going on.

[HolyAvenger]

Except if you think honesty and loyalty make for good values in a ruler rather than ruthless ambition.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Forget about the perfomance of the speeches for a moment, and look at who's giving them. Who better to hear, "We can do this!" from? A guy who leads from the front and spills his own blood on the battlefield, or a pampered carreer politician who won't be anywhere near the front lines?

[Corker]

Heh. I like her speech. It sounds like someone actually speaking to an army in an open field. Alistair seems to know that he's mic'ed.

[Augustei]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Forget about the perfomance of the speeches for a moment, and look at who's giving them. Who better to hear, "We can do this!" from? A guy who leads from the front and spills his own blood on the battlefield, or a pampered carreer politician who won't be anywhere near the front lines?

Worked for King Richard, Works for Alistair. Definitly Alistair

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Except if you think honesty and loyalty make for good values in a ruler rather than ruthless ambition.

I definitely don't.

[sevalaricgirl]

I always make hardened Alistair the king. I've only made Anora the queen once, unhardened Alistair stays with the GWs. I've never forced Alistair to marry Anora because frankly that is not my decision to make and as Alistair's in love with my warden, she wants him and one night with Morrigan is a heck of a lot better than a lifetime of putting up with Anora especially when my warden remains Alistair's mistress (Dalish elf warden. My HN warden always marries Alistair).

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 25 janvier 2011 - 01:08 .

[HolyAvenger]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Except if you think honesty and loyalty make for good values in a ruler rather than ruthless ambition.

I definitely don't.

Well then, not much more to say about that.

[mousestalker]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Except if you think honesty and loyalty make for good values in a ruler rather than ruthless ambition.

I definitely don't.

I used to agree with this. But then I got to thinking. Who is th Paragon of honesty and loyalty? Dogs. And who is the bestest dog ever? Lassie

Lassie would have made an incredible World Dictator.

"Woof!"

"What's that, Lassie? North Korea has nukes! What should we do?"

"Bark!"

"Of course! Jimmy's Dad has a barn we could use and Susie is a wiz with sewing. She can make costumes. We can put on a show condemning them and they'll be all ashamed and stop what they're doing! That's brilliant!"

"Bow wow!"

"You saved the world again, Lassie!"

[LobselVith8]

Ah, Lassie...



Anora seemed to speak more easily at the Landsmeet than at the Final Battle; she seems like a character who chooses her words carefully, and the fact that she was armored showed that she was willing to go into the fight like any other soldier. We really don't get a sense of who she is if we're not speaking to her at Eamon's Estate, where she gives us some better insight into who her father is and that she sees herself as fit to rule the nation (that she technically has for the past five years). I choose to select her as Queen with a personality hardened Alistair as King, specifically because the two have no bigotry towards the elves and want to improve the lot of the mages, while Anora's ambitions are to create a university (in what amounts to medieval times) and restore the royal coffers while Alistair will elect the Elder of the Alienage to the royal court.

[Cutlass Jack]

The alienage is ultimately why I chose to put but them both on the throne on my non-city elf playthrough. And it really is the best of both worlds. Alistair is woefully unequipped to deal with day to day politics, and Anora was too overprotected by her father to make a good battlefield leader. (Genetically speaking, they both probably have potential in those areas, its just undeveloped)

Anora's main problem in my mind isnt her ruling ability. No one denies she's incredibly skilled at it. Including Eamon. Its that she's unlikely to produce an heir unless you force her into marriage again. Either yourself or Alistair.

As for Lassie, well my plans to have my dog fight at the Landsmeet were thwarted.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:05 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Uuuhh...since when is giving an epic speech the sign of fitness to rule?

It may not be a sign of good leadership, but we both know that the cattle just love epic speeches, even if they don't make a whole lot of sense.

[Cutlass Jack]

Well until I saw 'The King's Speech' I thought Alistair's stuttering through his epic speech to be not very inspiring...

[Joy Divison]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Why Is there acts of Slavery being commited in the alienage which she doesn't even know about?

Because she is locked in Howe's estate and Loghain is the one in charge

[Sarah1281]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...



Forget about the perfomance of the speeches for a moment, and look at who's giving them. Who better to hear, "We can do this!" from? A guy who leads from the front and spills his own blood on the battlefield, or a pampered carreer politician who won't be anywhere near the front lines?

So what you're saying is that Anora should have found someone else to give the speech? Loghain was dead or disgraced and the Warden doesn't actuallly have a voice...who does that leave? Eamon? Leaders don't always have to be on the front lines, you know.

[KnightofPhoenix]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

 A guy who leads from the front and spills his own blood on the battlefield, or a pampered carreer politician who won't be anywhere near the front lines?

And that is relevent in ruling how?

You think all great kings and leaders fought on the front lines?
It's in fact stupid when that leader doesn't even have an heir, to go risk their lives on the front lines.
She marched to Denerim and was there and that's more than enough.

If the choice in question was who is going to be general of Ferelden, then that would be a different issue (and both options would suck).

[USArmyParatrooper]

Sarah1281 wrote...

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Forget about the perfomance of the speeches for a moment, and look at who's giving them. Who better to hear, "We can do this!" from? A guy who leads from the front and spills his own blood on the battlefield, or a pampered carreer politician who won't be anywhere near the front lines?

So what you're saying is that Anora should have found someone else to give the speech? Loghain was dead or disgraced and the Warden doesn't actuallly have a voice...who does that leave? Eamon? Leaders don't always have to be on the front lines, you know.

Of course the warden has a voice! A very powerful and influential one, as even Anora pointed out. And if Alistair is King giving the same speech, he's speaking as a grey warden (legendary defeaters of the darkspawn hord), as a seasoned veteran who's on the front lines *and* as king.

Modifié par USArmyParatrooper, 25 janvier 2011 - 04:30 .

[USArmyParatrooper]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

 A guy who leads from the front and spills his own blood on the battlefield, or a pampered carreer politician who won't be anywhere near the front lines?

And that is relevent in ruling how?

You think all great kings and leaders fought on the front lines?
It's in fact stupid when that leader doesn't even have an heir, to go risk their lives on the front lines.
She marched to Denerim and was there and that's more than enough.

If the choice in question was who is going to be general of Ferelden, then that would be a different issue (and both options would suck).

I was merely addressing the debate about who gave a better rally speech following the landsmeet. A football team isn't going to be emboldened by a "We're going to win and here's how!" speech from someone who isn't on the team and never picked up a football.

And while Anora does have some qualities redeming qualities for a leader, the fact that she's an immoral scoundrel who will lie, cheat and steal to satisfy her lust for power kind of ruins it for me.

Modifié par USArmyParatrooper, 25 janvier 2011 - 04:37 .