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[Sarah1281]

Yeah, I don't think the Joining being potentially lelthal is the big secret or automatic deterrent.. They just can't have people knowing WHY that is.

[ejoslin]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The epilouge slide for when she is on the throne.

XxDeonxX wrote...
Ohh yeah she builds a University or something not noteworthy like that.
Certainly doesn't name an elven bann thats for sure. Which is another reason why she is bad

When you said Solo slide i pictured a slide show of Han Solo =D

The slide says: 

"If Anora is sole monarch then she builds a university and helps improve Ferelden's finances, but refuses
to marry as no man can live up to the standard set by her father."

I don't know how well the Queen of England did for their country regarding finances nor will I ever judge it, but Anora keeping the throne for herself doesn't sounds like a bad idea nor a far fetched in relation of the analogy of Ferelden-England.

The actual slides for solo queen Anora say:

In the months that followed her coronation, Anora proved herself an adept ruler. Trade agreements with other lands quickly brought new funds into the royal coffers, and with them, the queen saw the capital rebuilt. The army was restored, laws were passed to encourage freeholders to produce sufficient harvests, and plans were conceived for a university.

As the years passed, Anora continued to rebuff the advice of Ferelden's nobility requesting that she remarry. Though prospective suitors from other nations visit Denerim from time to time, the queen's only comment is that all of them fall far short of the bar she measures them against: that of her father.

Edit: As a side note, never really trust the wiki, and don't ever quote it as fact.  While it's not a bad paraphrase in this instance, the wiki has so many errors in it it can't be considered reliable.

Anora does do a lot of good for Ferelden as solo queen.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:01 .

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: As a side note, never really trust the wiki, and don't ever quote it as fact.  While it's not a bad paraphrase in this instance, the wiki has so many errors in it it can't be considered reliable.

Sooooo true.

I think I got owned by you at least twice for trusting the wiki. 

[ejoslin]

Zjarcal wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: As a side note, never really trust the wiki, and don't ever quote it as fact.  While it's not a bad paraphrase in this instance, the wiki has so many errors in it it can't be considered reliable.

Sooooo true.

I think I got owned by you at least twice for trusting the wiki. 

blargh, never my intention!  And I do try to fix errors in it.

[Sarah1281]

ejoslin wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: As a side note, never really trust the wiki, and don't ever quote it as fact.  While it's not a bad paraphrase in this instance, the wiki has so many errors in it it can't be considered reliable.

Sooooo true.

I think I got owned by you at least twice for trusting the wiki. 

blargh, never my intention!  And I do try to fix errors in it.

Me too. I was so sick of people claiming Harrowmont made the DN his heir or a civil war breaking out is canon based on the wiki that I just translated the Orzammar epilogue slides to present tense since that's what all the other epilogue informations are in.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:54 .

[Ryzaki]

Simple Fereldan looks like its heading for a bloody civil war again. I live Anora on the throne so she has to deal with the scheming nobles.

So if they manage to bantogether and overthrow her  her head will be on the chopping block. Not mine, not Alistair's.

The two of us are going on vacation.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:09 .

[Prince Keldar]

I have always seen Queen Anora as comparable to Queen Elizabeth I. Also, I pick Anora over Alistair for the same reason I pick Bhelan over Harrowmont. Kings or Queens need to be strong and at times ruthless to maintain order.

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:17 .

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

Simple Fereldan looks like its heading for a bloody civil war again. I live Anora on the throne so she has to deal with the scheming nobles.  

That's an interesting point. The Ferelden map in WH indicates that there's a bit of a shift of power since the Arl of Redcliffe is gaining more popularity with the nobility and they are turning to him for guidance, regardless of who ends up on the throne. (And oddly, the alienage isn't doing any better, even with Anora and Alistair at the helm of Ferelden.)

[Sarah1281]

That's really strange, though. Teagan certainly won't want anything to do with scheming nobles since he hates politics and if Alistair (especially unhardened Alistair) is on the throne and you're not chancellor, Eamon's already heavily involved in running things. Why would the Guerrins be interested in this in every possible Monarch/Chancellor/Arl match-up?

[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

That's really strange, though. Teagan certainly won't want anything to do with scheming nobles since he hates politics and if Alistair (especially unhardened Alistair) is on the throne and you're not chancellor, Eamon's already heavily involved in running things. Why would the Guerrins be interested in this in every possible Monarch/Chancellor/Arl match-up?

It just seems pretty generic, really. It doesn't seem to acknowlege any difference if Alistair, Anora, or both are placed on the throne (and Alistair's presence should have some difference for the Alienage), and I agree that I can't imagine Arl Tegan being the alternative for the noblility when Anora is such a capable leader (where even a hardened Alistair with trust her decisions if they're married and the public loves them).

Zjarcal wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: As a side note, never really trust the wiki, and don't ever quote it as fact.  While it's not a bad paraphrase in this instance, the wiki has so many errors in it it can't be considered reliable.

Sooooo true.

I think I got owned by you at least twice for trusting the wiki. 

There is the mistake of it stating that anyone possessed is an abomination (even though only possessed mages are abominations) and the claim that Dalish elf clans have only two mages, despite the lack of any canon source stating such. The Epilogue is also full of errors - claiming that Magi boon happened (even though it doesn't), it leaves out the elven Bann epilogue, there's the lack of reference to the "Wolf" sur-named humans who remember the Lady of the Forest, stating that the Dalish boon is canon for everyone, ect.

[ejoslin]

LobselVith8 wrote...

There is the mistake of it stating that anyone possessed is an abomination (even though only possessed mages are abominations) and the claim that Dalish elf clans have only two mages, despite the lack of any canon source stating such. The Epilogue is also full of errors - claiming that Magi boon happened (even though it doesn't), it leaves out the elven Bann epilogue, there's the lack of reference to the "Wolf" sur-named humans who remember the Lady of the Forest, stating that the Dalish boon is canon for everyone, ect.

ZDF and MRPFP both fix these epilogue issues and a few more besides...

Edit: ok, to stop this from being pointless aside from advertising for ZDF...  The only way I see to break down Eamon's power is to let the undead destroy Redcliff.  this greatly degrades Eamon's power.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:35 .

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Simple Fereldan looks like its heading for a bloody civil war again. I live Anora on the throne so she has to deal with the scheming nobles.  

That's an interesting point. The Ferelden map in WH indicates that there's a bit of a shift of power since the Arl of Redcliffe is gaining more popularity with the nobility and they are turning to him for guidance, regardless of who ends up on the throne. (And oddly, the alienage isn't doing any better, even with Anora and Alistair at the helm of Ferelden.)

Very odd.

I just role play my Warden as getting as far away from that powder keg as possible.

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

Very odd.

I just role play my Warden as getting as far away from that powder keg as possible.

As an elven mage who had his royal boon turned down by the Chantry and is in a society where mage=evil incarnate, my Warden understands completely.

[HolyAvenger]

I dunno about you guys, but I don't care to take the epilogue slides into account when I play- that's way too meta for my comfort.

[Ryzaki]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I dunno about you guys, but I don't care to take the epilogue slides into account when I play- that's way too meta for my comfort.

I don't. Just look at what happened earlier. 

The nobles are turned against Loghain immediately and Anora wasn't able to get them to fall under her (and her father's) banner. They obviously think on their own terms. Add that to the whole heir thing and uncertaintiy as to Anora or Alistair being able to have a child...

Best to leave to politicking to the politics and high-tail it out of there for when the envitable explosion happens.

[KyleTheArtist]

Anora always gave an epic speech on my playthroughs. :/ i personally think she's abetter queen, because Alistair never expressed enthusiasm, besides he seemed to be not prepared and Eamon showing the whole ALISTAIR IS BLOOD! thing in my face didn't make it better.



On my very 1st playthrough though, even though I picked Anora I had Alistair give the battle speech...I think because I was Cousland...and I didn't patch my game at the time...

[HolyAvenger]

Oh and for the people citing the thing about Alistair not wanting the throne- some of my PCs believe that the people who should be entrusted with power and the trust not to abuse it are the ones who don't want it in the first place.

[KyleTheArtist]

you have a point, however I am not sure I'd like doing something I really don't want to do.

[Ryzaki]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh and for the people citing the thing about Alistair not wanting the throne- some of my PCs believe that the people who should be entrusted with power and the trust not to abuse it are the ones who don't want it in the first place.

But in the end it results in him being less happy than he would if he wasn't on the throne. Why would you want to chain your friend/lover a throne he doesn't want? Burden him with obligations and expectations when you don't have to? 

[HolyAvenger]

People have to make sacrifices. Personal happiness is quite low down on my things-that-are-important list when making decisions like that which affect the whole nation/society.

[Ryzaki]

HolyAvenger wrote...

People have to make sacrifices. Personal happiness is quite low down on my things-that-are-important list when making decisions like that which affect the whole nation/society.

Well considering Anora is better for the country it ends up being a worthless sacrifice.

[HolyAvenger]

Ryzaki wrote...

Well considering Anora is better for the country it ends up being a worthless sacrifice.

And we're back to the epilogue slides and meta-gaming. But whatevs.

[Ryzaki]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well considering Anora is better for the country it ends up being a worthless sacrifice.

And we're back to the epilogue slides and meta-gaming. But whatevs.

Or you know you could just use common sense. Like how Anora was the one ruling the country before the blight and Alistair constantly tells you he's a bad leader.

But like that doesn't matter right? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Well considering Anora is better for the country

....You just said that?